[Closed] Tottenham Riots

Haha quoting DK at us j_me? They hate neocons like you even more than hippies. Dear me you aren't very good at this are you?

Anyone invoked Godwins Law yet?

The old man worked in a bank computer centre, mum worked in a hardware shop. We were taught that if you want something you earn it. Funnily enough it works. If you start working at a young age you soon learn the simple skills that you carry throughout your working life.

Ahh, so you also had hardworking parents who felt part of society... I see.

I don't deny that, and I can see why the kids whose parents have sat on their arse all their life see it as the norm, they don't know any different. Changing the handouts system is a start, I know it's not that simple, but something's got to be done

Has anyone in London (or elsewhere) been experiencing this? Just how bad is it?

I was living in Paris at the time of the riots there in 2005 - riots which started out in the suburbs of Paris then quickly spread elsewhere in the city and then around the country - hundreds of cars getting torched every night, mass rioting/looting and thousands of arrests. Quite shocking scenes on the TV every night. However i didnt actually see any of this personally, only thing noticeable was a few more vans of CRS sitting on the side streets.

So it was a bad situation which ended up looking much worse due to the rolling news coverage with looping videos (etc) which sensationalised it - the coverage made what was a bad situation look like the whole country was on the verge of descending into total lawlessness with complete civil breakdown.

Cobra are praying for rain tonight.

Yep, and I worked bloody hard to get to this point, so i feel justified - paper rounds, milk rounds, washing pots, golf caddy, shop work on a Saturday, preparing airline food trays, I've done a lot of things instead of sitting on my arse with my hand out. There are always jobs if you look, you just need the right attitude

Cobra should flood the area with high grade skunk.

Or maybe some E's of a quality not seen since the early 90's.

Changing the handouts system is a start

Like how? Oh, I know.... like ending the Education Maintenance Allowance? So that a 16 year old whose parents don't give a ****, might actaually stand a chance of going to college? That seems like a perfect place to start.

I'll tell you what handouts mean to me? Georg Osbornes present proposal to reduce tax on those earning over £150,000 a tear. THAT is a handout!

And, for the record, my CV reads pretty much the same as yours

England game called off

Likewise M6TTF, but single teenage unmarried mum in 1959. Father unknown. She fought to keep me rather than face forced adoption in Oz. No home provided. Went to school where I was officialy reffered to as a bastard etc etc, but then I did learn to walk and feed myself and learnt how to use a toilet and it sort of went on from there.

preparing airline food trays

Now your talking shit jobs, I lasted one day at that before going back to flying clay pigeons when rich men shout PULL!, £1.50 an hour and 20 free shot gun shells (had to used on site though)

I'll tell you what handouts mean to me? Georg Osbornes present proposal to reduce tax on those earning over £150,000 a tear. THAT is a handout!

yep he can **** that right off

what needs culling is the lets have a couple kids - get free housing and live off the state free attitude.

the old nightclub chat up line "wanna go hauwfers on a cooncil hoose? " springs to mind

My local arms dealer has 5 water cannon dieseled up and ready to go

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Said it before and I will say it again, all of the crap we deal with on a day to day basis, is a result of poor leadership and an inability to manage resources.

Assholes in charge, shit is gonna happen!

"So it was a bad situation which ended up looking much worse due to the rolling news coverage with looping videos (etc) which sensationalised it - the coverage made what was a bad situation look like the whole country was on the verge of descending into total lawlessness with complete civil breakdown."

My wife spoke to a friend last night who lives in Lewisham. She was scared and frightened as she could see kids burning cars etc on the street next to hers...

just heard a copper admit that their hands are tied because everyones got a video camera and they can't beat up on everyone in the street whether they are roiting or not.

England game called off

father was a labourer for a builder

mother worked processing chickens

that taught me that YOU CAN BETTER YOUR SELF no matter what - my dad left school with a handful of o-levels - left school and trained to be a butcher . sacked that after 6 months and went onto building sites as a labourer - after a few years of that trained as a digger driver.

after busting his balls for 10 years learning about other aspects of the building trade he has a fairly successful building and property developement business.

i started working age 12 - paper round , age 15 bikeshop. while at uni id work friday night 7-2am in pub saturday 9am-5 in bike shop and 7-2am at the pub

if your on the dole what message does that send to your kids ? this is what you can aspire to be - its all ive managed so its all youll be !

I'm not sure which excuse appalls me most:
a. They feel they've got nothing to loose
or
b. They think they're untouchable

I would not have thought it unreasonable to clearly demonstrate to them that both were fallacies.

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Single parent family here. Never given anything.

My Mother still taught me values though. If your mother is thick, loose/slag and wanna get jiggy wid all da guys then 10yrs later they say 'aw my san fell in wit da wrong crowd innit didnt know where he was in the evenings cos I didn't care then/streets could bring him up as I couldnt be bothered' and blame the Police (for chasing them for doing wrong), the Teachers (for trying to avoid being assualted) and society (for saying WTF can't you take responsibility for contraception, your life and for investing time in the product of your liason?).

Its ALWAYS easier to blame someone else for your own short-comings.

I can't believe, given some of the twisted, neo-fascist rhetoric already being expressed, that I'm the first to suggest this, but, well.....

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Single parent family here. Never given anything.

What? Not even the cardboard box you used to sleep in?

My Mother still taught me values though

Never given anything

Wait a minute...

Rioting has happened ever since people started living together in huge numbers.
You might as well try and stop the tides turning.

There is always a balance between those who feel that they have a legitimate grievance and opportunists.

You can't do anything about the opportunists, but surely it would be sensible to attempt to identify the root causes of the initial grievances and attempt to minimise the severity and frequency of future incidents?

Disenfranchisement, poverty and percieved persecution of those who initially riot always seem to be cited as the root causes, whether we agree from our own perspective that those reasons are valid or not.

And 'Riot', would have been a far more appropriate Kennedys track to quote in the current circumstances.

The problem with nukes is they destroy infrastructure as well. Reducing the economic potential of the area used.

What is need is some sort of massive global pandemic followed by population controls.

This will mean there are more resources per person and we might have a chance of providing a decent life for all.

It will be a bit like Britain after the black death where lack of labour lead to increased worker power and therefore workers wages and rights improved.

at least there is the full span of opinion on this thread.
unfortunately, the hard-right seem to be the only ones with solutions.
the hard left know the whys but not the hows.
are there no innovative, realist thinkers out there with workable ideas?

They hate neocons like you even more than hippies.

Lol of the week

are there no innovative, realist thinkers out there with workable ideas?

global pandemic ?

Its ALWAYS easier to blame someone else for your own short-comings.

So then Hora, you going to take your own advice?

As for the riots, well as they cut the Police by 25% and Youth Support by 75%; this is hardly surprising, and the Govt has been warned by the Met for months that this was going to happen.

As for increasing punishment for people, if we do that where are we going to put them? the Prisons are full already; and what's the point of punishing people who really don't care? If you have nothing to lose, then losing your liberty isn't really going to bother you, as you are just switching sitting in a bedsit with **** all to do and no hope, to sitting in a cell with **** all to do, and regular hot food.

I am sure the Tories are happy though; as its just like the glory days of the '80's again.

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worth a thought? could be the answer.

are there no innovative, realist thinkers out there with workable ideas?

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are there no innovative, realist thinkers out there with workable ideas?

In reality everybody knows that change takes time. I would say the world is a better place than 1000 years ago, our country is a better place than 100 years ago. Most of the West is better than 100 years ago, even China + India are probably better places to live than 100 years ago.

The only real answer is for the world population to start to level off and then hopefully we will start to be able to get a grip providing a reasonable standard of living for all.

You mean following the 70's when Labour screwed up the country and then followed the Winter of Discontent?

Thatcher then came in and had to make some really unpopular decisions to correct the economy for which some blame them for (rather than looking at the previous Labour party).

So its cyclic. We are in that stage where we are picking up the rampant spending tab from 12yrs of Labour AGAIN.

Richc I really do think you should start reading up at what Labour did in the 70's before you post.

Where's a superhero when you need one... (TJ excluded)

Wohoooo! That's the first time I've seen it blamed on Labour, congrats.

Brakes, what if there are no 'workable solutions'?

Perhaps rioting is part of the price we pay for liberal democracy.

Any imposed 'solutions' which fail to take human nature into account are bound to fail, if we still wish to maibtain the freedom we all take so much for granted.

We are in that stage where we are picking up the rampant spending tab from 12yrs of Labour AGAIN.

Its ALWAYS easier to blame someone else for your own short-comings

Hora - You are Awesome.

"if we do that where are we going to put them? the Prisons are full already; and what's the point of punishing people who really don't care?"

I completely agree, but at the moment I pay taxes to have them sit at home, or more recently go and smash stuff up.

Boot camp/working in the community - Get them doing stuff, cleaning parks, cleaning up graffiti, picking up rubbish, building stuff etc etc, helping with care in the community. Gives them skills, gets them out of bed in the morning, gives them purpose, gives them sense of achieveing some thing.

I'd be quite happy to keep paying them dole etc, rather than them going in prison if it benefits the community and keeps them off the streets.

what really ***** me off is that I came into work today and everyone is making jokes about it all, people are scared of having opinions so just brush off the issue with humour.
I think this is part of the problem - there is no pressure from the populous to do anything because they're scared of having opinions in case they upset someone or alienate themselves.

its a bit like trying to explain quantum physics to a chimp with learning difficulties, isn't it?

I blame the parents 😉

brakes...this sort of thing
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The Southern Yeti - I wouldn't have trusted the Iron Chancellor with a Credit card.