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So, there's an armed guy shot dead in an exchange of fire with police. (Reports are that a bullet was embedded in a police radio). So they take to the streets, looting and burning.
WTF is going on?
Tory Government in power, it's what happens, init.
Police reports haven't always proven to be the most accurate account of events when the police have been involved in a death.
Just shoot them end of
I'm with Grantway, if you carry a gun and end up getting shot by the police then I've got zero sympathy, as for the rioters they've obviously got the same mentality as the guy carrying the gun, not sure how destroying you're own community moves things forward
MSP - Member
Police reports haven't always proven to be the most accurate account of events when the police have been involved in a death.
Perhaps, but what about the reaction- burning and looting. This is just pure opportunism. These people will likely have no relationship with the dead guy or any political standpoint. One of the first ports of call for robbery was JJB sports FFS.
There will be millions of pounds of damage, hundreds who have lost their homes and businesses/jobs putting another huge burden on an already struggling economy.
I'm with Grantway, if you carry a gun and end up getting shot by the police then I've got zero sympathy, as for the rioters they've obviously got the same mentality as the guy carrying the gun, not sure how destroying you're own community moves things forward
First off - are we sure we know exactly what happened? Was this guy stopped by the police, opened fire on them and then killed in an exchange?
Second off - I read somewhere that someone else from the community was shot last week and there was already unrest from that incident. Not sure if that's true but if so it gives some context.
Be interesting to see what happens tonight. Cameron et al will be very, very anxious to avoid an escalation to other boroughs...as will the met.
It's my democratic right to share my country with trouble making opportunist thieving toss pots like these,
although sometimes I do wish we could go in with the tanks Syrian style and wipe their stupid faces off our planet making it a nicer place for us all,
always proud of the police and their restraint in these situations, if i was one of them i don't know if i could be so good.
I bet this sort of thing really helps to bind the local commooonity
Why did the guy have a gun in the first place? What job requires an illegal fire arm? IT DOESN'T MATTER who fired first, he should not have had a gun in the first place; now I'm just waiting for how the police is all working for Babylon and man dem need to carry heat for protection
now I'm just waiting for how the police is all working for Babylon and man dem need to carry heat for protection
Nice.
Some of those guys need to have a good look at themselves, what sort of person sees the death of a man as an opportunity to get some new trainers.
Interesting interview on R4 with a local minister - there was a peaceful march which ended up at the local nick, and apparently normally what happens is that the community leaders meet with the police to talk through local concerns. Yesterday however the police locked the doors and refused to talk - just ignored them. After several hours frustrations got the better of some of the locals. I don't necessarily agree with them, but you can understand why things might get out of hand if they're treated in that way.
nice racist undercurrent in this thread.
giving me a real warm sunday morning glow.
Racist?!?? Are Chav scum a race now?
On the upside, all me bredren got some sweet Reebox and we is rollin' deep in wall mounted plasmas
but you can understand why things might get out of hand if they're treated in that way
nice racist undercurrent in this thread
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How very leafy suburb-esque
Did i hear BBC report that they over took Mcdonalds and started cooking their own food or was that a dream?
Where is the racist undercurrent?
McGangsters
My understanding is that a man in a mini cab was shot and killed by police officers during an exchange of fire. What hasn't been stated yet is if the dead man was the armed passenger or the driver. It could have been the driver that was armed and his perfectly innocent passenger was killed or the reverse. They might have been well known criminal associates or completely unknown to each other. The possibilities are endless and that is why it takes time to investigate these matters. A community protest at this stage is 9 times out of 10 going to end up in violence and the local community leaders should have sort out a private meeting with police not turned up with 100 upset "friends" of the deceased.
Their hasn't been a single mention of race in this whole thread... so can't see where the 'racist undertone' comment comes from.
Having grown up in a very multi cultural city, having attended a school that was 80% non-White and now living and working in an area with large immigrant populations I think I might actually be rather less leafy and suburban than some of the frankly quite patronising and ignorant posters on this thread.
It's not patronising, I know exactly the kind of people involved in this, both black and white, I see them through work, at my local pub and I know their completely detatched thought processes
See back in the day, was it prepubescent teenagers on bmx bikes that rioted or were the rioters slightly older?
Would it not be similar to the riots in London earlier this year? A peaceful protest hijacked by others whose only purpose is to destroy, thieve and challenge the power of the police. If what aP says is true though it doesn't sound like it was handled particularly well initially.
RichPenny - Member
Would it not be similar to the riots in London earlier this year? A peaceful protest hijacked by others whose only purpose is to destroy, thieve and challenge the power of the police. If what aP says is true though it doesn't sound like it was handled particularly well initially.
Yup, the student riots and that twunt that threw the fire extinguisher. Differences were that there was a proportionally smaller contingent who were there to cause trouble and much less damage caused. The levels of violence used in Tottenham is pretty shocking.
Haven't we got our own man in the (ahem) 'hood? Where is he when you need him? Probably going round some art gallery somewhere or looking at watches in the Rolex shops on Oxford street... 🙂
As for race, it's probably the attempt at faux Jamaican accents that raise that particular spectre...
The Manchester and Salford Yeomanry Cavalry would sort them out. (Might be the best solution for some of the chav scum too)
it's probably the attempt at faux Jamaican accents that raise that particular spectre...
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I opened this sure in the knowledge that Fred would be here spouting off about "de Babylon and de bredren" and justifying the destruction of innocent people's homes and livelihoods as "sticking it to da man, man..."
However, on reflection, I don't think he could or would stoop that low.
'So get your feet
Out on the street
When you hear the heat is on
It's gonna be a long hot summer
From now on'
sigh. nostalgia
Would it not be similar to the riots in London earlier this year? A peaceful protest hijacked by others whose only purpose is to destroy, thieve and challenge the power of the police. If what aP says is true though it doesn't sound like it was handled particularly well initially.
The students had a cause, a cause that affects 1000's of students nationwide. I agree with the element that it would have been hijacked by lots of ****tards who've nothing better to do than show anarchy against the country which is no doubt keeping them for free.....
Armed Police don't go out huting armed people unless they have previous..... no smoke without fire etc..
No contribution thus far, but as I read it the only racist here is Mr Monkey himself! Is he assuming all the rioters were from one ethnic group and to criticise their actions is to criticise their race?
It's pretty insane reaction to the information about the original incident known about from afar but add some local knowledge, a heap of rumour, a protest that gets taken over by others, some bored locals and a bunch of alcohol and you can see how it starts.
You feel so sorry for the locals not involved faced with that lots to clear up this morning. And for the young police officers who had nothing to do with the original incident faced with so much hatred.
I notice they burnt out Aldi...
I take it that was a protest against global corporatism and the destruction of local communities, like Tesco's in Bristol?
There are some ignorant and hateful people on STW.
its blatant opportunsim by some nasty people
however id suggest that the mets image is very poor at the moment... de menezes, tomlinson, recently followed by allegations of endemic corruption and collusion with the press can see how the earlier protest may have been quite politically charged
still from the sound of it most of the damage caused by a bunch of scumbags up for trashing things and stealing what they can
There are some ignorant and hateful people on STW.
I should be ashamed of myself; staying in on a Saturday night and not breaking the law and taking exception when people think the behaviour shown in Tottenham can be validated in anyway.
What hope for society when there are people like us who think whats happened is wrong.
I should be ashamed of myself; staying in on a Saturday night and not breaking the law and taking exception when people think the behaviour shown in Tottenham can be validated in anyway.What hope for society when there are people like us who think whats happened is wrong.
Touche
Some bloke on the radio blaming the police for not stopping the riot.
I should be ashamed of myself; staying in on a Saturday night and not breaking the law and taking exception when people think the behaviour shown in Tottenham can be validated in anyway.
Of course not. Your attempt at a Jamaican style accent betrays your racism though. That you should be ashamed of.
Society will get on just fine with or without your opinions.
of course it's the Polices fault, how could any of these poor souls be held responsible for their own actions; I just hope a mobile soup kitchen is on scene with sustenance, they must be worn out, bless em.
Of course not. Your attempt at a Jamaican style accent betrays your racism though. That you should be ashamed of.Society will get on just fine with or without your opinions.
My faux accent is that heard in the mouths of most of the kids that I meet, black or white, its origins are irrelavent and I'm not ashamed of anything.
betrays your racism though
Are you frickin serious..
Wait until the Grauniad reads have finished checking their online share portfolios, taken Tamarah to Pony Club and supped their skinny defaf lattes. Then it will all kick off BIG STYLE.
Local people have their environment shat up 'in protest' because two gangs of oppressive gun-wielding ****s have been taking pot shots at each other. What annoys me are the armchair revolutionaries who have never lived in this kind of shithole imagining some kind of solidarity with the rioters (not here in the Daily Mail of cycling, mostly on Twitter/Facebook).