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Apparently he is not happy with the influx of immigrants into the country especially in the past 20 odd years ... like a bit of a shock to the system. You know overdose of immigrants.
UK is traditionally an immigrants nation so not a shock to the system but Norway is different.
This is the statistic ...
[url= http://www.ssb.no/innvandring_en/ ]Proper website stats[/url]
Apparently the documentary about him last night talked about 25% immigrant population ... wow ... that is a lot for a small nation.
So all those talks about cultural diversity and integration ... I wonder if these are necessary? Is it wrong not to integrate?
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MSP - Member
It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
So how many is "mass" 3, 5 10, 50? Who decides and who tells the mother of a murdered child that their child's life was worth less because it didn't fit the quota?POSTED 3 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
GrahamS - Member
It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
I see.And what defines "mass termination"? How many people would you have to be accused of murdering before you get put to death without trial?
Not my decision, how many do you think is fair? Say more than half a dozen?
Don't you see the logic if it were automatic? I seriously don't understand folk who don't get this.
If there is absolutely no doubt, no question the mass killer is stood there with an empty magazine and bodies lying all around, women, children, why prolong the angst with long drawn out deliberation, surely that serves as more pain and suffering for the relatives.. If there is absolutely no doubt, it should be an auto response.
littlemisspanda - Member
It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
The irony I am finding in your proposal is that the very people that were harmed by Breivik are the people who hold the kind of "leftist" views of "tolerance and acceptance" you seem to be advocating are detrimental to society.
I've got to stop this now, it's going nowhere.
But the answer to that surely is an element of Darwinism, right wing gunman mows down leftwing youth and the Left try rehabilitation as an answer..
Clearly I'm in the minority here, I accept all your views and have to beg to differ..
derekrides - Memberlittlemisspanda - Member
It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
The irony I am finding in your proposal is that the very people that were harmed by Breivik are the people who hold the kind of "leftist" views of "tolerance and acceptance" you seem to be advocating are detrimental to society.I've got to stop this now, it's going nowhere.
But the answer to that surely is an element of Darwinism, right wing gunman mows down leftwing youth and the Left try rehabilitation as an answer..
Clearly I'm in the minority here, I accept all your views and have to beg to differ..
Chairman Mao has the solution ... How many million people do you say? He is the greatest. 🙄
Clearly I'm in the minority here,
Often happens when you're in the wrong.
Not my decision, how many do you think is fair? Say more than half a dozen?
Okay so what do you say to the mother of a child whose killer gets a trial and jail sentence because, although he kidnapped, tortured and killed her child - it was [i]just[/i] one? Or even [i]just[/i] six?
If there is absolutely no doubt, no question the mass killer is stood there with an empty magazine and bodies lying all around, women, children...
How often do these situations occur exactly? 😕
And even then, do you [i]really[/i] want to dispense with trial?
So if the accused claims they were one of the intended victims that managed to fight back to kill the attacker, that should be roundly ignored and they should be quickly put to death without trial?
Don't you see the logic if it were automatic? I seriously don't understand folk who don't get this.
I seriously don't understand people who see the world in such black and white absolute terms.
because the inability to decipher 'right from wrong' is commonly held as a personality disorder last time I looked
Despite the best efforts of a catholic education, I've been known to struggle with it from time to time. Does your homicidal urge to punish transgressors of your simple moral code extend only to mass murderers? Or will it apply to rapists too? shoplifters?
seriously don't understand people who see the world in such black and white absolute terms.
TJ TO THE FORUM 😛
Oh and Derek.... well done! You've managed to out-Hora Hora. I didn't think it was possible. Are you related? Do you look like this....
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It should be universally accepted that mass termination of human life is recognised as an uncurable sickness and the perpetrator terminated.
These guys are in trouble, then.
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richmtb wins for Gandalfing the thread.
I'm normally against indiscriminate verbing of nouns, that that's genius. (-:
oh good a circular argument
Hi! You must be new here.
I'm normally against indiscriminate [b]verbing[/b] of nouns, that that's genius. (-:
As was that cougar 😉 I hope it was intentional! Genius x2 plus an extra mark for context and subtlety
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I hope it was intentional!
*nods* Well spotted. (-:
An interesting statistic that I read today compares the percentage of recidivist prisoners released in the UK with Norway.
U.K: 50-60%
Norway: 10%
On the face of it, the "soft" Norwegian philosophy seems to get the better results, despite the accusations of "daft leftie" [i](sic)[/i] banded about here and elsewhere...
There's often the argument that rehabilitation is better than punishment, but now there's a chance to watch the process actually being attempted with what is arguably the very worst sort of offender.
Interesting.
Mrs Toast - MemberWill he be locked up for life? I though the max jail term in Norway was 21 years, even for murder?
EDIT: Just double checked, 21 is the standard 'life' sentence, but it can be 30 years for terrorism, or indefinite if it can be proved that the criminal is an ongoing threat.
He's looking at 70 life sentences though isn't he? 1470 years.
Don't they run such things concurrently rather than consecutively?
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Quick google confirms that a)93 life sentences and b)Norway does indeed run them concurrently.
An interesting statistic that I read today compares the percentage of recidivist prisoners released in the UK with Norway.
Does anyone mind if I finish my work before STW breaks the Internet by all googling Recidivist at once.
BigButSlimmerBloke - Member
Clearly I'm in the minority here,Often happens when you're in the wrong.
Not really a problem when you're surrounded by folk who have to ask stuff like
"Why did my seat stem break at the point I centre punched it"
"How do I kill a pidgeon ?"
"My wife/boyfriend is banging someone else what should I do?"
"Why does my beard stink when I've been bivi-ing?"
"Why do I keep breaking stuff when I come off in my SPD's?"
"Why do people think I look like a cock in my yellow lycra?"
He's pleaded not guilty/saying he acted in self-defence.
He was protesting at the immigration of Europe.. At a Norwegian rite of passage of natives to Norway?
He's either abit simple or a unhinged mentally ill murderer.
Just watched him on the six o'clock news, gave a right wing salute to the court, he is loving all this.
He's now the most famous Norwegian, probably the most famous Norwegian in the world today, y'all probably couldn't name the Premier of Norway without googling it, he's the most infamous Norwegian since Quisling and of similar status.
Now if my plan had been followed at the time, he'd have been long forgotten by now..
[i]He's now the most famous Norwegian[/i]
NOT...
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Shut up now derek, you're not even entertaining.
Now if my plan had been followed at the time, he'd have been long forgotten by now..
He's not famous he's infamous. I have no problem the world seeing what a horrid twisted human being he is, lets see the monsters that hide in our midst rather than pretending they don't exist.
Thor Bjørklund is the most famous Norweigian.
He invented the cheese slicer.
Gunn-Rita Dahle Flesjå is also a favourite;
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[i]Just watched him on the six o'clock news, gave a right wing salute to the court, he is loving all this[/i]
put him in his cell, and ignore him. Edit, I don't want to understand, I don't want to learn why, and I don't want to see TV programmes about him
I don't care about him, i care about the people he killed and hurt
I can only think of the 100+ parents who suffer anquish on a daily basis. Their children executed by some random cock. Sorry if I don't role out the need for a trial or due process.
His case is truly exceptional. At the very least someone should have stepped in and said 'no', at the least a vote in parliament on this person.
I'm not sure on the aspects of UK law but the Hungerford massacre. Would you be happy with his right to speak/day/twisted media day in court?
Yes 0 everyone gets their day in court. You cannot have any exceptions or where do you draw the line? so Hora - how do you decide who dies not get their day in court?
[i]Would you be happy with his right to speak/day/twisted media day in court?[/i]
Yes.
...and that's the point; the Law has to be above emotion, above any prejudice (think about the origin of that word...), and above all free from the deluded simpletons who think their opinion should count. 😉
Why does it need to be filmed/in the public eye?
It perpetuates his/others agendas?
Or didn't you read/get my point?
Never mind, you carry on...
Why does it need to be filmed/in the public eye?
So the public can see what a grotesque creature he is, and those that post on internet forums their fantasies about violence and torture in the pursuit of their version of justice can see where that path leads.
MSP +1
The trial of Breivik and the publicity surrounding it will hopefully also cast light into the shadows where these sorts of right wing dissidents like to hide.
No its failure in the countries leadership in this case. Weak leadership. Yes a unique case due to a country collectively looking to understand however the idiot gets his platform.
Question, why do you think he readily surrendered? He didn't want to die but tell/glorify his 'achievement' knowing their justice system and the platform to spread his story further.
More intelligent/devious than you give his planning credit for.
Norwegians have a lot more dignity than a lot of Brits, when Anders Breivik arrived at court, there were no onlookers shouting and scream and wanting his blood unlike here in the UK, when a baying mob would want to lynch him. I think there is a lot to be said for how the Norwegians are dealing with this awful awful crime against 77 innocent lives.
No matter how much Anders Breivik pontificates and gets the publicity he desires, he will be just demonstrating what a monster and irrational psychopath he is.
Yes 0 everyone gets their day in court. You cannot have any exceptions or where do you draw the line? so Hora - how do you decide who dies not get their day in court?
Commonsense decides. Even if Breivik's appearance in court inspires just a handful of people, then it will have caused unjustified damage.
This is an exceptional case and Breivik has no right to be treated as a common murderer - which he very clearly isn't.
I am appalled that the Norwegian authorities have failed in their responsibilities to the international community and have allowed Breivik a platform to promote his views globally. He might well be just one individual but his views will have significant support among the far-right throughout the world. That level of vile hate is a threat to many countries and communities far beyond Norway. The Norwegians should be ashamed of themselves that they have put the right of one individual to justify his act of mass murder before any consideration at the possible repercussions this might have.
[i]“He is obviously pleased that he will be able to explain himself and that there is an interest in the case, there is no doubt about that,” Breivik’s defense lawyer Geir Lippestad said after the first day in court.[/i]
Crass liberal stupidity.
Thought experiment:
Forget about the Law and our justice system for a moment.
Imagine that the mother or father of one of the children was on the island and they managed to corner him after he'd shot all the children, including theirs.
They have a gun.
Should they shoot him?
Would you?
This isn't a comment about what is right and wrong, just answer honestly.
That level of vile hate is a threat to many countries and communities far beyond Norway.
Indeed, especially when it infests the thoughts of those who would use it as an excuse for secret justice, torture and state sanctioned murder, death squads, that's when he wins.
", he will be just demonstrating what a monster and irrational psychopath he is."
To you and me. To the deranged- glimpse at the numerous white knights/aryan nutter forums out there and it'll artificially age you when you see the outlandish pseudo-elitist racism spouted on there.
Seriously google Aryan/racist forums and read a few posters. You'll be amazed at people who exist and believe. Once on Pistonheads someone linked to a US forum and it was gobsmacking.
Mmmm, yes, let's have secret trials for those we think are baddies, I can't think of any circumstance when that would be a problem across the world, can you?
In fact, I can see those countries with human rights records that perhaps are open to question welcoming it with open arms.
Hmmm, yes, lets do it all in secret so we don't encourage the other baddies.
Could you think of a situation where this might be perhaps not a good idea?
Anyone?
"That level of vile hate is a threat to many countries and communities far beyond Norway."Indeed, especially when it infests the thoughts of those who would use it as an excuse for secret justice, torture and state sanctioned murder, death squads, that's when he wins.
So you think that not giving Breivik a platform to promote his views would represent an infestation of vile hate ?
I can't think what else you can possibly mean by that ridiculous retort.
Burma, for example?
Or Tibet, under Chinese control?
North Korea?
Maybe Chechnya?
Can you think of any more societies who would ****ing love to be able to have trials in complete secret?
Have a wee think about what you are asking for, have a wee think about the impact of showing the world that it's ok to try people in secret because they have views which you don't agree with.
[i]"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"[/i]
This was written in 1906, why are you still playing catch up?
(...and, I have to say, seeing ernie and hora agreeing to be simple has made my day...)
Now if my plan had been followed at the time, he'd have been long forgotten by now..
Yep I can see it now:
"Apparently a bomb went off in Norway killing 8 then 69 people were shot, mainly children."
"Did they get anyone for it?"
"Yep, executed them on the spot under Derek's Law"
"Righto. Do you know won the snooker?"