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Our Howling Moon RTT was good - dry, airy and comfy.
Okay levels of faffage to deploy/stow.
I'm rebuilding our XC90 for a Scandic roadtrip next year and looking at options.
1. RTT - the market has opened up since we bought ours ~ 15year ago but I think there is a bit of rebranded crap now on the market.
2. Inflatable rear Dometic awning - bulky to store/transport, would need a roofrack.
3. Oztent RV series tent, quick to deploy but long when stowed so need a roofrack
4. Inflatable tent, as per awning above, bulky.
I think a RTT is still the potential favourite but I'm watching the Thule hitch tent with interest. Not interested in anything with poles - I want to break camp and go quickly.
The Outset is definitely going to be 2024's must steal accessory. Its very cool, but the defence mechanism for leaving it somewhere is a Thule barrel lock...
Its very cool, but the defence mechanism for leaving it somewhere is a Thule barrel lock…
Nah the lock is just decoration. The real security mechanism is a hernia
Love mine.. great for camping at events where you're stuck in a gravel car park with no grass to pitch a tent on. I've used mine at Ft. William, Glenshee and a few other times. Also taken it up into Torridon (well Shieldaig) when we could only get a gravel pitch.
It's about 60kg, which is below the weight limit on the Octavia. (Weight limit is dynamic, seems you can put a lot more on when static).
Now, I'd love a camper van of some description but can't stretch to that. It's not perfect but works bloody well. We got a Ventura one - seems about the cheapest you can get but works for us.
The good - it takes seconds to pitch, it's comfy, waterproof, spacious (fits two adults and the dog with plenty of space to keep bags etc). Doesn't need grass to pitch on.. and doesn't matter if there's an inch of running water on the ground. All valid considerations for your average SDA event.
The less good - sits a bit low on the Octavia - can walk into it. Bit more thought needed for night-time pees (see bottle instructions above). Cooking etc. gets done outside. I've got an annex for it but it's not that good on the car (would work well on something taller). Also it's a big beast to store in the garage and uses valuable bike space.
Bikes end up going on the tow-bar rack when it's in use. I think it's better mpg like that than 2-3 bikes on the roof. Certainly getting 47+ mpg on the Octavia fully loaded heading into the wilderness - which I can accept.
These look like a good idea, if you could get a modern car with the same huge boot lid.
There are a few on their stands round here. I used to pass one on my way out MTBing until a couple of years ago.
Inflatable tent, as per awning above, bulk
How many of you are travelling? Our large 5 man inflatable decathlon tent takes up about 1/6 the space of the boot of our zafira, and I've done bikepacking with it on the cargobike (probably overkill). Our 2 man inflatable (same size as a roof tent I'd say) is truly tiny
Seems like a worst of all worlds to me ( unless you need to get off the ground to avoid beasties)
All the disadvantages of a tent and a camper van in one go with none of the advantages of either. I've used small campervans, big motorhomes, tiny tents, big tents but never felt the need for a roof tent.
4 berth camper is about £100/day to hire, have actual beds, and go back to the owner when you're done. You'll not be catching me paying £3k for a roof tent.
Parents used to own a Rapido folding caravan. More of a "solid tent" than a caravan. Folded into a fairly small trailer. They used to stash it on its side in the garden. Around 20 mins to pitch. Waterproof if storm conditions were less than a hurricane. 4 beds, the big one converted into daytime dining table. Had a stove, coolbox + toilet. Seemed like a reasonable answer to most of the pitch problems described above the ballache of a VanLife answer or a full blown Camper slash RV. Obviously way too retro (or is it not retro enough?) to be remotely viable/desirable/available/repairable these days.
@mert I literally saw one of those on the way back from Blekinge in summer. Even after five year it amazes me how many old, strange/classic cars are still running and still in good shape, which I guess says a lot about besiktning.
Anyway, on roof tents... We have one. We do not use it (yet) because it came with my mother-in-law's Caddy and she did not want it. When/if I get around to buying a small van for trips out with the bikes I fully intend to use it so that I can leave the bikes and stuff in the car safe and sound and have a place to sleep that is less likely to have an issue with ants and/or water.
I intend to solve the problem of "old man bladder" with a clearly marked up Nalgene bottle. One of the ones with a wide opening.
How many of you are travelling? Our large 5 man inflatable decathlon tent takes up about 1/6 the space of the boot of our zafira, and I’ve done bikepacking with it on the cargobike (probably overkill). Our 2 man inflatable (same size as a roof tent I’d say) is truly tiny
2 of us and large dog. I need to have a good look at inflatable tents, probably at NEC camping show in Feb.
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One of the ones with a wide opening.
No need to brag 🙂
Just use a funnel with a tube out through the zip on the door, no chance of knocking a bottle of pee over or running out of space in the bottle....
Now to solve the No 2 problem - you could go full SAS and keep a roll of clingfilm in there and some ziplock bags - just don't put it next to the ziplock with your sarnies in.......
4 berth camper is about £100/day to hire, have actual beds, and go back to the owner when you’re done. You’ll not be catching me paying £3k for a roof tent.
Conversely a roof tent starts at £125 for 3 nights then up to £210 for a fortnight (incrementally cheaper the longer you rent it) and hand it back at the end.
https://rentals.decathlon.co.uk/l/decathlonbraehead/product/vnfXZ8wrV2XvX1msg0RC
For all I'd use it that actually sounds great value and massively more sensible.
Parents used to own a Rapido folding caravan. More of a “solid tent” than a caravan. Folded into a fairly small trailer. They used to stash it on its side in the garden. Around 20 mins to pitch. Waterproof if storm conditions were less than a hurricane. 4 beds, the big one converted into daytime dining table. Had a stove, coolbox + toilet. Seemed like a reasonable answer to most of the pitch problems described above the ballache of a VanLife answer or a full blown Camper slash RV. Obviously way too retro (or is it not retro enough?) to be remotely viable/desirable/available/repairable these days.
Actually no, they're horrifically, ass-bleedingly expensive, last I saw was £19k which would buyt you an actualy ready to inhabit shed to drag around. I suspect that's why they're not popular.
Where is this 4 berth camper for £100 per night - in school holidays obvs - of which you speak? Please can you point me to the website?
I helped my pal put one on top of his landrover a few years ago. It was non elementary. He has a fair bit of camping experience so I'm fairly sure if it was bobbins he would have got rid by now. I do think you'd get to the age where bladder issues /arthritis would go against them. It's the use of a landrover for regular transport that I don't understand rather than the use of the roof tent.
All this talk of weak bladders and arthritis probably explains why the idea of an adventure for a lot of you, is a bloody campervan 🤣
Where is this 4 berth camper for £100 per night – in school holidays obvs – of which you speak? Please can you point me to the website?
I'm paying that for a VW transporter pop top thing for the next few days on a deal at the end of the season. Is a SWB pop top *really* a 4 berth van?
A tentbox finally persuaded me to abandon Instagram.
The owner had come up with the cunning plan of attaching it to a trailer, then it was easy to get into, not on the roof, still off the ground, and meant your could drive away with it pitched.
So, a trailer tent then. I realised humanity was lost to an upcoming idiocracy and wept for the future.
Ha ha, this is a great thread..!!
I've got a RTT on a Defender and I think it's a flipping marvellous bit of kit but RTTs aren't for everyone.
It takes about 30 - 60 seconds to set up and then another 60 seconds to inflate the mattress with the tiny air pump. Taking it down takes around 5 - 7 minutes depending on faffage. Being on top of the car means I have more space in the car plus ants, scorpions and other creepy crawlies can't get in.
When it rains I'm not sat on top of wet ground and setting it up on wet ground poses no issues. I've been in some serious storms in mine and thankfully I've survived...!!! No leaks yet. It's allowed me to get to places that would be tricky for a van to access. There's no real penalty when driving apart from a 5 - 10% increase in fuel consumption. It's less obvious when stopping off the beaten track than a camper van.
I haven't met any lions or alligators to test the 'climbing up the ladder' theory yet although I've had wolves, bears & European jackals in the vicinity and didn't get eaten! I would post some photo's of the RTT in some pretty cool spots but it's a right pain in the butt to post photo's on STW.
Yorkshire, in August. It was raining heavily sideways. Gotta love the ambition… The photo doesn’t do justice to the angle it was parked at, the back wheels were a lot lower than the front.
plus ants, scorpions and other creepy crawlies can’t get in.
I don’t really see this as relevant. I’ve camped hundreds of times in Australia in a standard tent and never had this problem. The zip is a remarkable invention.
But this is what we all really need. I found it blocking my path on the way to work this morning. Jimny, tinny and mtb on the trailer.
Guess this is how they should be used (Morocco/Algeria border 2010). For what its worth mine is the blue one on the floor. Twice when taking it down in the morning I found a scorpion under the flysheet.
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Now if you really want to think outside the box.... (apologies but it is in German but you will quickly get the idea!)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-uLSWdyXc0Fac2iXbOg2d7_SLgypfD7a
TBH , my inner gear fetishist gets excited when it sees a unimog, oddly in a decathlon carpark. they are insane in the flesh and I’m seeing a few more lorry-life creations er plodding along.
Being in southern Spain near the coast you get to see a lot of van life.
I quite like the idea of micro teardrop adventure caravans for a quick weekend party getaway.
I just don't think when I get a few more years on me,I’d be wanting to be lifting a tent box onto the roof of anything, it’s hard enough hassle popping a bike up there.
I suppose the value is in how much use you get out of whatever you buy.
Evening all,
I have finally got the roof tent lifting system sorted using an SGS engine crane and lifting arm from Adventure Equipped. It works!! I can now easily and quickly fit and remove my tent :-).
Somewhat complex to get it sorted, need a low profile crane to fit under the car and slightly longer than standard slings to go round the tent.
I have a hard top roof tent and it is great for one or two night roadside stops in Scotland, very quick to useable in windy / wet conditions. I am looking forward to Spring though.....
roof tent lifting system sorted using an SGS engine crane and lifting arm
Que?
Pics before we can start laying into you, please... 😘
Interesting thread revival.
I was sat watching* at Braemar Campsite earlier this week a 'roof tenter'. Snow on the ground. 1*c. Raining. Wind.
Cooking on a Discovery tailgate, while his partner sat resolutely in the front seat engine on and a big puffy jacket.
Then the dance to get the tent popped up 'it was not a hard top, and seemed to extend sideways over the car with a ladder underneath. Then the dance to go up the ladder with pillows, sleeping bags, a light, a book.
She still sat in the passenger seat not looking happy.
The next morning as we sat having breakfast and planning the day we heard a shout - seems she missed the ladder and landed into the puddle below in her PJ's before heading off to the showers to change. 'Look of thunder' was the mood of the day it seems.
* Next pitch along, warm under a fixed roof, heater, cooker, slippers on...
Have to say a tentbox looks ideal for the trail races I do - overnight stay in a small village, not necessarily any campsite nearby, just pull up somewhere and 15 minutes later you're got somewhere to sleep. Walk to the start next morning, and have a shower in the local sports centre after. Food and toilets would be local restaurants / cafes.
I'd love to have a van to sleep in, but it just doesn't make economic sense.
Saw one of these on a Toyota Yaris the other day. It looked absolutely ridiculous.
That said, maybe on a Yaris it kinda makes sense as you ain't getting a big tent in the boot
Around my way we had a local loon who made one out of timber decking 😒. It was massive and seemed to be attached to roof bars and yes it did look deadly.
Sneaked a closer look one day and he just drilled right through the roof and bolted it to the car as well.
Shocking thing. And it was all on a Nissan Almera.
I nicked named it the Ark of the Convanant.
The Horror... The Horror !
The true Dirt Shed Show 🙂
Surly their purpose is to enable car drivers to avoid camping fees just like camper van users ?
The extra 20oddK for a T6 camper would pay for a lot of camping pitches!
The extra 20oddK for a T6 camper would pay for a lot of camping pitches!
Except the full purchase price of a van is false - it's the depreciation that you need to cost.
Having just been offered £5k more than mine cost a few months ago, I'm currently 'up' in my head...
I knew I would find a discussion on STW regarding these things, never let down by you lot. A bit disappointed by the dislike of the TentBox I have to admit, I have had my head turned by them recently after spending the last 2yrs either paying for an airB&B or driving 100's of miles in one day to ride somewhere decent.
Reasons I thought they would be good:
1. They come with a built in matress so no uncomfortable lumps and bumps to keep me awake
2. I am off the floor so not sat in an inch of water if it pisses down
3. I have a car with a massive boot which I often think would be perfect for sleeping in, but what do I do with the bike? Bike stays in boot, I go on roof
4. No, really, driving a T5 or converted transit is not "just like driving a car" But driving my car with a TentBox is just the same as driving a car
6 months since the last post, do we have any real life experiences to shatter my rose tinted view of TentBoxs?
Cheers
what do I do with the bike?
When i car camp (or use the transit which has a fold down bed a kitchen) bike goes across the front seats with the wheels off.
And yes, the transit isn't like driving a car. It's shit, slow and rattly.
I have never fancied one , but then again I've always thought tarps are only popular for people who don't go out of their gardens in bad weather and they seem strangely popular for people on gravel adventures
The one parked next to me the night before last was very noisy in the wind. Sounded like professional grade snoring - must have been great fun in there hearing that all night.
We had a PSA on here for cheap roof tents when Wiggle went tent pegs up.
I ended up with this instead.
For...
- £50k less than a T6, and it drives like a car not a transit van with shit handling.
- when not in use, it's (for me) in the garage - so I doubly don't need to drive a shit handling rough riding T6 around
- for the argument of 'the cost of a T6 is only depreciation- no - not unless you have a spare £50k lying around. Otherwise you have to finance it through... Finance - which costs (or for some, unavailable). + the risk that if it's nicked or burns down you also cop the £££ gap too.
- on my properly driving AWD I don't get stuck in fields, unlike T6s around every event and festival where there's wetness.
Now the reality of use.
- goes up pretty quick (a few mins once used to it) + can leave sleeping stuff in too. Lot less faff than a real tent.
- piss wet through tent stays OUT of the car when packing down
- Piss wet tent east to air amd dry on driveway when back home for me.
We got a zip-on awning with a ground sheet built in (used the folded-out half as the roof) so we can still store stuff like table and chairs out of sight, and doggie can sleep in the awning safely overnight.
Is it perfect ? No. It depends what you're doing. Unlike a normal tent you can't just drive away and leave stuff set up. And will take longer to pack up than in a T6.
"when the roof tents a rocking...."
1. They come with a built in matress so no uncomfortable lumps and bumps to keep me awake
2. I am off the floor so not sat in an inch of water if it pisses down
3. I have a car with a massive boot which I often think would be perfect for sleeping in, but what do I do with the bike? Bike stays in boot, I go on roof
4. No, really, driving a T5 or converted transit is not “just like driving a car” But driving my car with a TentBox is just the same as driving a car
£200 of decathlon inflatable tent + thick decathlon SIM achieves all that. Not much slower to put up either
Some people ought to maybe get some training in camping. .
Your not supposed to pitch up in the river ....or the flood plain.
Otherwise I cannot conceivably see how you wake up in inches of water. - unless of course you pitched the tent inside out and upside down.
£200 of decathlon inflatable tent + thick decathlon SIM achieves all that. Not much slower to put up either
Don't disagree much on that. It's a bit 'horses for courses'. Mine's just easier when it's pishing down or the grou d is rock hard and Stoney (i don't bother with guys on it).
But we have both.
Roof tent works for a night around the back of a pub better than a floor tent.
Halfway up an Alp or in the Andes, it's tricky driving the roof tent !
I do refer to ours as a 'poor man's camper van".. if I had a spare £50k to spaff out (and another grand or so yearly costs for insurance, service, habitability service, MOT) then there would be a camper van on my drive. Or actually a Merc Vito based van instead actually.
There is a place for all different tents, and a roof tent is great for upto a couple of people and a short term pitch.