[Closed] The Smiths' Morrissey: 'Royals are benefit scroungers'

All from within a couple of miles of one village in an unbroken chain going back to about 1720. Only a few names between them as well - most of the women called Martha, the men William

Most Welsh miners weren't actually Welsh originally afaik. They came to Wales for the work when the industrial revolution kicked off down there.

TJ - what Shropshire village?

Rushbury. some came from as far afield as Wall or Cardington

My Maternal Grandmothers ancestors came from South Wales up to Manchester for work, my Maternal Grandfathers were also miners, from the Scots borders and also came down to Manchester for work. Scots were Hiltons and the Welsh were Williams, almost typical names from those parts it seems!

All from within a couple of miles of one village in an unbroken chain going back to about 1720

I believe the modern term for that is 'inbred'.

I am descended from Genghis Khan and Taras Bulba! 😀

elfin, did you know that Genghis had ginger hair and blue eyes?

Don't be silly he was not scottish.

no, but he still was a ginger. I know this, I have drank in the grand genghis irish pub in ulaan baatar 🙂

TooTall - Member

All from within a couple of miles of one village in an unbroken chain going back to about 1720

I believe the modern term for that is 'inbred'.

😯 🙂

grand genghis irish pub in ulaan baatar

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I'm sorry I simply don't believe you.

sorry, grand khan irish pub.....

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TJ - I used to live in Cardington and got married there.

Yes, Rushbury is even smaller 😀

Will I have to look for some TJ's on the headstone's next time i'm bellringing?!

Proof there is an Irish pub almost everywhere

Much like the fact that even the tiniest British hamlet has a curry house or a Chinese takeaway?

There were a few Irish Pubs in UB - I used Grand Khaan for the free wifi, and Little Irish for the craic

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(Is speechless)

Is speechless

Is savouring a brief moment of peace!
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Elfinsafety - Member

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that should be made a sticky.....!

Scamper - Blakeway is the name of that side of my family. Rushbury church is where a lot of them are buried but few gravestones as they were poor. Jim And Mary Griffiths ( now both deceased ) were my last contacts in the area - IIRC they did bellringing / churchy stuff in Rushbury.

The farm where most of them lived was the Gillberries farm. Jim and Marys descendants still farm there

the royal family are an assett and bring tens of thousands of tourists to this country every year.

the sex trade bring tourists to Thailand perhaps we should cash in here?

Oscillate Wildly - Member
it costs the taxpayer something like 35 million a year to keep the queen....

35 million of the taxpayers money....

regardless of what the royal family generate tourist wise, why on earth should WE everyday working people fund that?!?!?!?!?

she has 100's of millions sat there, and the same with all the royal family.....

i hope it goes tits up tomorrow really do

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I don't know if anyone's actually got any figures but I bet they bring a damn site more than £35 million into the country.
There again if you don't like it you could always emigrate.

I don't know if anyone's actually got any figures but I bet they bring a damn site more than £35 million into the country.

Go and prove this then...

Thing is, all those tourists would come here anyway, actual living Royals or not. They don't come here to see the Queen waving at them from the balcony at buck palace, do they? No, they don't. They come to gawp at the buildings, wander round the museums, eat overpriced food, go on a double decker bus, maybe come visit Elf.

So yours is a rubbish idea.

There again if you don't like it you could always emigrate.

Oh here we go; anyone opposed to the idea of a monarchy (as opposed to a true democracy) can get out, can they? Sorry, I thought Britain was a free country and all that... 🙄

the royal family are an assett and bring tens of thousands of tourists to this country every year.

Do they? I din't realise the Royals had started up their own travel company and budget airline.

And I must confess, I've never seen Princess Anne down me local travel agents.

No I think it's down to you to prove it don't you.
This is why I don't post often just a bunch of keyboard heroes.
And as for a true democracy who do you think actually runs the country or are you that thick. 😮

No, you made the claim, you prove it. Go on. I'd love to see some 'proof' that the Royals 'bring money in'.

I am well aware of where the true power lies. I am also mindful that dissolving the monarchy would be a massive step forward in dismantling the divisive class system that prevents true democracy from taking place in Britain.

Only a thicko would think that retaining the monarchy would ultimately be of future benefit to the UK...

Yeah right your views are the biggest laugh ive had all year so far keep them coming .
And no I think everybody else are making claims that they are no good for the country, so it's down to you lot is it not or am I missing something.
And what I am not missing is national pride which is slowly ebbing away in this county

Yeah right your views are the biggest laugh ive had all year so far keep them coming

Oh, so you [i]are[/i] amused? 😉

And what I am not missing is national pride which is slowly ebbing away in this county

If you had as much pride in your country as you claim to, you'd perhaps make more effort to use the language properly...

Any proof the Royals bring in loads of money yet?

iamhimsoiam - Member
And what I am not missing is national pride which is slowly ebbing away in this county

Really? Not where I am from or from what I see. Fromthe flying of the St Geroges cross from cars tot eh rise of the SNP I see national pride everywhere

Too right TJ!

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My use of language my be down to me struggling with dyslexia for many years, another reason I don't post often. 😕
my comments on national pride came from what I have read in these posts. 😯
Anyway you lot are like negotiating shark infested waters. 😉

Anyway you lot are like negotiating shark infested waters.

LOL ill get my camera and take a picture of the scar and the back of my heals. 😆

There's a lot about this country to feel proud about. There's also a lot to feel (as Morrissey put) shameful about. The idea that you should automatically approve of everything that is done in your name is fascism and has nothing to do with "Britishness". In my humble opinion, of course...

Bloody hell I agree with Woppit! 😯

Very well put, too.

(Feels dirty. Goes for a scalding hot bath with loads of Dettol)

Don't forget the steel brush.

Oof. Scratchy...

I am also mindful that dissolving the monarchy would be a massive step forward in dismantling the divisive class system that prevents true democracy from taking place in Britain

See, I can't agree with that point. 99% of people don't seem to give a crap about the royals beyond celebrity interest, so why would it hold back democracy?

Erm, because the Monarchy, together with it's ties with the Church of England, still has a lot more power than people might imagine....

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S'compulcated, init? I mean, the Queen herself might not have much 'power', but the Monarchy is representative of the elitist nature of the control of our nation.

We don't have proper democracy here in the United [b]KING[/b]dom, and won't until the monarchy is dissolved.

The Queen's power and even the monarchy as a whole is entirely nominal. So I can't see it makes a difference.

If for example we were trained from birth to be deferential to the upper classes (as we used to be) then you might have a point, but if anything the opposite is true. Which is good 🙂

Well ok Mol; explain to me why loads of people were arrested just before the wedding, held in cells, then released without charge once it was over?

Monarchic Fascism, that's why.

The monarchy is not without power. It sits at the head of the whole institution of power in this country. The monarchy is not as nice and benign as you think...

Elfinsafety - Member
Well ok Mol; explain to me why loads of people were arrested just before the wedding, held in cells, then released without charge once it was over?

For the exact same reason that that thousands have to report to a police station and hand in their passports every time England play a game in europe .... Cos there is a high risk that they will cause trouble ...

SIMPLES really ... **** all to do with Monarchic Facism ( what ever that is ! )

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN !

ANd if there is ever a civil war in this country again over the monarchy I'll be there defending it along with millions of others !

And to be blunt looking at he attempts of politicians over the last few decades I reckon we should revert to a true Monarchy and get rid of Parliament at least we wouldn't be stuck in Iraqistan now and up to our knees on dodgy Libyan oil

The Queen's power and even the monarchy as a whole is entirely nominal. So I can't see it makes a difference.

Junkyard

They are powers as such but they are really formalities. Yes the Queen could use those powers but do you honestly think she ever would ? The Queen takes her lead from policticians not the other way round and i suspect if she ever tried the other way round then she wouldn't be Queen for much longer.

As for Elf's statements about true democracy, can't see the link. Our voting system in terms of FPTP, now that's a different story.