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Not a troll and not looking for an argument, genuine question.
If someone today announced that they were the son of god, would anyone believe them?
Miracles aren't hard to come by; I've seen David Blaine walk on water and essentially 'rise from the dead', and Derren Brown did a whole series on it ("Messiah"). Plenty of people claim various abilities from faith healing to communicating with the dead.
If Jesus reincarnated and walked amongst us, how would we know?
Humans are gullible because they want to be.
[i]how would we know? [/i]
Isn't the point that you can't [i]know[/i], you have to [i]believe[/i].
You not have enough fun on the last thread ??
Cue lots of Monty python "he's not the messiah.... blah blah blah"
something my wife would like to see I'm sure.
We've not had the 1st coming yet, load of mumbo jumbo.
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4 hours of David icke anyone? 😯
how would we know?
Whoppit's head would explode
Serious question, and one I've never really found a decent answer for.
A large number of people are happy to believe that he walked the Earth two thousand years ago, but if he showed up today and went "look, I'm right here!" I doubt many people would really believe him. Which I don't really understand.
I was wondering if anyone here would, or what sort of proof people would require first. How would he substantiate such a claim?
Whoppit's head would explode
It's not all bad, then.
why bring this up here, ask a Mormon (or latter day saint as they now liked to be called - I think :?:) or some other spoon.
I don't know any mormons. I don't think, anyway.
You missed it - He was here for a bit then he flounced.
Mitt says yeah!
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not unusual to have both jesus and the devil in a psych ward at the same time.
meds usually make the voice of god/the saints go away
No chance - the Catholic church would have him killed or denounced as a nutter to avoid him saying exactly what he thinks about they've become...
It's moot as it's all a fabrication anyway. But hypothetically would miracles prove it?
Matt Johnson of The The Armageddon Days are Here Again from about 1988?
They're 5 miles high as the crow flies
leavin' vapour trails against a blood red sky
Movin' in from the East toward the West
with Balaclava helmets over their heads, yes!
But if you think that Jesus Christ is coming
Honey you've got another thing coming
If he ever finds out who's hi-jacked his name
He'll cut out his heart and turn in his grave
Islam is rising
The Christians mobilising
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
It's war, she cried, It's war, she cried, this is war
Drop your possessions, all you simple folk
You will fight them on the beaches in your underclothes
You will thank the good lord for raising the union jack
You'll watch the ships out of harbour
and the bodies come floating back
If the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today
He'd be gunned down cold by the C.I.A.
Oh, the lights that now burn brightest behind stained glass
Will cast the darkest shadows upon the human heart
But God didn't build himself that throne
God doesn't live in Israel or Rome
God belong to the yankee dollar
God doesn't plant the bombs for Hezbollah
God doesn't even go to church
And God won't send us down to Allah to burn
No, God will remind us what we already know
That the human race is about to reap what it's sown
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
Armageddon days are here again
Couger... how about a question for you?
Would you like to go to church.. ?
As a clear thinking, intellegent, open minded adult... who seems genuinely interested... why not give it a go? For a decent length of time though, say 6 months?
What have you got to lose?
The whole idea to me is a bit of a paradox, the bible says beware of false prophets, so i you're gullible and follow someone professing to be the new messiah and hes not you will go to hell. If your cynical and you refuse to follow someone professing to be the messiah and he is you will go to hell. Doesn't sound to me to be the plan of a loving god, just another method of making people live in fear.
Sounds like an STW call to arms!
On my way home tonight I'll walk down the high street telling everyone I'm the messiah and making a note of the various forms of proof requested. If everybody does the same then we should be able to work out exactly what Jesus will do and say when he arrives, and we'll know it's really him.
Who's in?
Couger... how about a question for you?Would you like to go to church.. ?
As a clear thinking, intellegent, open minded adult... who seems genuinely interested... why not give it a go? For a decent length of time though, say 6 months?
What have you got to lose?
i love this 😀 do it and report back to us every sunday on twitter please!
not unusual to have both jesus and the devil in a psych ward at the same time
Maybe change the shift rota if they don't get on, no point making a scene in front of the patients
What have you got to lose?
About six months, by the sounds of it. What have I got to gain?
toys19 - The irony is that God actually played guitar on that very track.
I'm going to shove that album on my ipod tonight. Its genius, and I've not listened to it for a while. Cheers!
LOL!ask a Mormon (or latter day saint as they now liked to be called - I think :?:) or some other spoon.
It was god like, who was it?
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The unmistakable sound of Mr Johnny Marr
not unusual to have both jesus and the devil in [s]a psych ward[/s] the vatican at the same time.
FTFY
binners. Awesome. and he was the harmonica on that album.
Ask them to prove it by doing a miracle or something... ❓
[i]by doing a miracle[/i]
The only miracle I will ever believe is the spontaneous regrowing of a missing human limb.
wwaswas, careful now, someone will develop the technology to spontaneously regrow limbs and convince you they are jesus.
"About six months, by the sounds of it".
Hey you aren't locked in the church the whole time, you'll be let out for good behaviour.
Once a week for an hour or so...If you miss a week or two, here and there no worries... but you have to commit to the 6 months
"What have I got to gain?"... It could be more than you ever thought possible....
Hey with **** like that, maybe I'm the second coming 🙂
Go for it... I dare you
i reckon he will be riding 650b
Once a week for an hour or so...If you miss a week or two, here and there no worries... but you have to commit to the 6 months
I don't think I'd want to give that level of commitment to something I enjoyed doing, let alone sitting in a church getting preached at.
I've been in plenty of churches over the years. I've yet to see anything that would make me want to go into one voluntarily, other than some spectacular architecture and some pretty windows.
It could be more than you ever thought possible....
To be fair, that's not a particularly high bar to be aiming for, given that what I think is possible in a church is 'nothing at all' beyond being bored out of my gourd for an hour.
I thought (thinking back to my youth) the first sign of the second coming was the rapture?
Our school had a fair contingent of born againers, and one of the notorious facts pedalled around was that PanAm (showing my age here) had a policy of not allowing 2 christian pilots to fly together in case one of them was raptured. Course, we didn't have the internet back then, or [url= http://www.snopes.com/religion/pilot.asp ]Snopes.[/url], so couldn't disprove this fine fact.
To be fair, that's not a particularly high bar to be aiming for, given that what I think is possible in a church is 'nothing at all' beyond being bored out of my gourd for an hour.
Why not give it ago then, as from what you have been posting about religion and churches is nothing like the reality.... in my experience at least; and you are only talking about 1 hour a week.
Cougar - if you do go to church remember to video the boiling font and spinning crucifix. (oh and remember what happened to Dr Who in the Omen - go on a sunny day)
Shame... oh well... no skin off my nose.
But what's with all the theological discussion/questions... if it bores you that much like?
I find discussion interesting. I find being preached at tedious. I find Christian hymns soul destroying. It should be more difficult than it is to sing 'hallelujah' in a manner that sounds like your dog's just died.
If Jesus reincarnated and walked amongst us, how would we know?
I reckon he'll tweet it. Or maybe a group text.
[b]"LOL itz jeez here jus got bak an shit iz mad pmsl!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]
I don't think He'd come back shouting about being the messiah after what happened last time. He'd just go about it in his own way, performing miracles for a few thousand faithful to start with and letting His message grow from there. Outwardly, I suspect He'd take on the persona of an ordinary man, but with extraordinary talents.
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From my understanding of History (Classics Degree), people didn't believe Jesus (if he even existed) was the first coming. That was all made up and written down many years later. Or so the documentary evidence shows. But I imagine that folk that buy the whole Big White Man in the Sky have no truck with actual verifiable facts so it doesn't really matter.
So my thinking is, if you want to get a Messiah some credibility, is to pin it on somebody who is already dead and already famous, and thus can't be there to either prove or disprove anything.
How about Princess Diana ?? It's about time we had a female messiah. Jesus was a jew, Mohammed was black, I don't know for sure but I am going to punt that Khrishna is Indian. How about we give the ladies a bit of a shot ??