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No, not the Captain, [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7836654.stm ]Ken Clarke[/url].
Its a pity he'll spend most of the time having to defend his views on Europe from attacks by the blue-rinsed fogies of the home counties. Id love to see us adopt the Euro...
Mmmm.....Chris Patten was my favourite Tory. Still, I guess it's better than the return of my [i]least[/i] favourite Tory :
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adopt the euro why? all it will do is cost us, how would it work? would our wages change 1 euro to 1 pound? even with a poor exchange rate it would give us a pay cut?
Perhaps we could just foster the euro for a bit, see if it works out before we go the whole hog and adopt it.
maybe we could just give up pretending we are European and conquer the lot of them and inflict the good old british pound on them
Interesting that he is being touted as a "big beast" especially by the party that overlooked him for the leadership twice and chose two candidates that had very little experience!
If he was such a strong figure, and you can leave aside the Euro, why has he been sidelined for so long?
Michael Portillo would be a more effctive addition to the Tory shadow cabinet.
I liked the fact highlighted this morning that Ken has spent more years as an MP than little george has spent on the planet.
Why don't they bring this bitch back?
(Adjusts scope; takes safety off...)
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Die, bitch, die!
Like Mikes idea, lets bring back conscription and invade.
I suppose anyone starts to look good compared to Lord Snooty and his pals.
A sign of desperation on behalf of the Tories.
And Labour bringing Mandy back doesnt? 🙂
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The last politician this country could be proud of. The last one I voted for too. 🙂
The only part not showing desperation Stoner are the Lib/Dems and that's because they can't decide whether to be or not.
There were a hell of a lot of people in this country who felt pride when her own party stabbed her in the back and got shot of her.
good point surfer - I'd like to see portillo back too.
I recall Mandy was instrumental in New labours success in 97. I dont recall Clarke being part of such a winning formula?
The last politician this country could be proud of. The last one I voted for too.
Ha ha! Did you live in her constituency, then?
Proud of a warmongering, evil bitch with friends of similar disposition? Proud of a woman who sold off this country's resources, so that we now buy our gas from the French? Proud of a woman who instilled the ideology of greed, masterminded the sale of invaluable social housing, and alienated vast sections of British society?
Yeah, mate, you go on, and be proud of her.
(Puts Champagne on ice, for her (hopefully imminent) death.)
Sorry! Just realised you were being sarcastic!
You certainly had me going there!
Silly me! 🙄
But then Ken was never so much fun at parties as Michael was (this would be late 80s obviously before his heart attack).
I'm no Tory supporter but Portillo would be a more popular addition. He is clearly bright but also quite charismatic.
Clarke will simply be sidelined discussing his views on Europe, whether he wants to or not.
The last politician this country could be proud of. The last one I voted for too.
Were you a fan of her buddy Pinochet as well?
I think they should get this lot back on the payroll
They epitomise Tory values
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Oh, and she stole the kiddies' milk, as well.
Die, please, die.
Oh, and she stole the kiddies' milk, as well.
Given the fact that it was always left in the sun to go off before we got to drink it, that was no great loss.
I still can't drink milk on its own over 30 years later.
favourite tory?
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Ha ha! Did you live in her constituency, then?
Nope. Northern monkey I presume?
Northern monkey I presume?
Who, me???!?!
Ha ha!
Somebody please tell him; I'm laughing too much... 😆
Ah, work shy slacker then.
I like the way rudeboy appears to think that the death of thatcher will bring instant riches to everyone or something. Well, chilled champagne at the very least.
"Proud of a woman who instilled the ideology of greed"
While the rest of what you said is pretty true, that made me giggle. She inflicted me with personality traits?!?! What a cow.
I wasn't suggesting that for a second, tomzo. In fact, seeing as her state funeral will cost a packet, it will in fact leave us all a tiny bit poorer.
I just hate the ****.
As for 'the ideology of greed', well, the relentless promotion of the idea that you MUST own a property (hence the sale of social housing stock), as well as all sorts of other mostly unnecessary shyte, has driven people to want to consume more and more, and by doing so, get into greater and greater debt.
Greedgreedgreedgreed....
Ownbuyhaveposses...
S'why so many people are so ****ing selfish.
Die, bitch, die...
I want to build a disco on her grave...
You seem a very excitable fellow.
You should see me when I HAVE'NT had my Valium... 😯
As for 'the ideology of greed', well, the relentless promotion of the idea that you MUST own a property (hence the sale of social housing stock), as well as all sorts of other mostly unnecessary shyte, has driven people to want to consume more and more, and by doing so, get into greater and greater debt.
But are you going to tell me that a lot of what the unions got up to wasn't driven by greed well before Facha was on the scene? Hence it's an inbuilt human trait amongst those who you're blaming her for encouraging it in.
A lot of 'what the Unions got up to' was actually to fight for and protect the rights of workers.
Such as the 40 hour week, health and safety measures to reduce injuries at work, more accountability of companies towards the well-being of their staff, fairer pay measures, more equal rights for women, etc.
Of course, if you don't believe in Unions, you could always move to a country that outlaws them...
Marx would say that human beings are inately benevolent.
Its interesting that when we come across some particularly nasty behaviour we put it down to "human nature" I think much of it is nurture not nature. So to some extent she and her like legitimised this behavior in the 80's.
Such as the 40 hour week, health and safety measures to reduce injuries at work, more accountability of companies towards the well-being of their staff, fairer pay measures, more equal rights for women, etc.
What's that got to do with the unions of the 70s? They were far, far worse than that.
Just a response to 'let's blame the Unions for everything bad', that people often do on here.
And Unions are still, mostly, a force for good in this nation, and something we should be glad of.
Marx was wrong about lots of other things too.
Just because it's nurture not nature doesn't mean it's not bred into certain parts of society (not that I'd want to isolate one part of society, as apart from obvious exceptions like religious orders, it's hard to think of a single part of society which isn't inherently greedy and selfish - just that the opportunities for acquisition vary). Bizarre to suggest that greed was somehow legitimised under Facha, when in reality it was just a time when it became more possible for a wider spread of people to earn lots of money (due to greater opportunity), hence the more in your face excesses.
Just a response to 'let's blame the Unions for everything bad'
Where did anybody do that? Are you suggesting that the unions didn't behave in a greedy way at all, ever? In any case your response is just the stock "Unions are wonderful, and because they've done great things we shouldn't criticise them at all"!
RudeBoy - MemberNorthern monkey I presume?
Who, me???!?!
Ha ha!
Somebody please tell him; I'm laughing too much... 😆
Rudeboy the socialist Cockney, whatever next! 😉
Not at all, some Union leaders were right self-serving greedy bastards. And even recently, that Andy Gilchrist bloke (Fire Brigade Union) seemed more concerned with furthering his own political career, than the fact peoples' lives were being put at risk. Mind, I could be wrong on that one. He did come across like that, though. And the ease at which the transport workers in London seemed to down tools, over relatively trivial matters, didn't exactly endear them to the public.
Granted, there were a lot of lazy bastards in Britain, during the '70s, and they appeared to be aided by the 'one out all out' union leader types (See 'Carry On At Your Convenience!), but the majority of Unions in this country merely exist to serve the rights of workers. Like I said, those who don't abide with Unions of any kind, can always move..
And a lot of the anti-Union feeling was whipped up by the right-wing media, when in fact many were campaigning for things we now take for granted. Nurses, teachers, factory workers, the low-paid, those with young children, those from minority groups; were all represented by Unions.
So, Trade Unions are a big part of why we have so many laws to protect our rights. Rights that the Tories sought to take away; to return to a Britain with a docile workforce submissive enough to serve the rich.
And like Thatcher ever did owt to help the poor and underprivileged in Britain...
...****.
Greed and selfishness - it does make me laugh when the tories whine on about the breakdown of community and society cohesion and values etc - who was it who said 'there is no such thing as society' again?
FACHA!!!!
The 'orrible ****...
Die...
I think going Euro is likely to happen sooner or later - with the £ only being €1.1 now, surely the arguments for the £ are weakening as quickly as it's value is falling so would it not be a better time to do it than ever?
*stops pretending to understand these matters*