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Perchy perhaps you live in the midlands.
Ranos ..Jesus Christ sunshine read the article will you ?
I was responding to Drac ..not yourself who had accused me of not reading the article I had posted ..now if you go back and actually read what I was responding to / putting Drac right ..you might actually "get it "
Or is that beyond you ?
Believe it or not, there's actually a north/south divide in wales. Categorised by the river Severn. If you want to be really difficult about it, the south is below Brecon, north above bala and mid between the two 😉
Ranos ..Jesus Christ sunshine read the article will you ?
I have. Would you like me to re-write it for you with simpler words?
After taking all the above into consideration, I still reckon it's Deansgate....🙂
Perchy perhaps you live in the midlands
😀 I live in the badlands.
NUTS 1 statistical regions - UKC, UKD and UKE
So North East, North West and Yorkshire and the Humber
I going with a roughly West - East wiggly line from Runcornish, to Grimsbyish. Sheffield is of course included, it's incontrovertible. Chesterfield, not so much. As for Hendo's, would you really put Worcestershire Sauce on your meat and potato pie?
Still supporting my M62 line
The Kingdom of Northumbria used to extend down to Sheffield - Meersbrook to be precise, so I always tend to think that anything South of Heeley is 'The Midlands'
Bits of North West Sheffield used to be part of West Riding, so they must be part of the North surly ... and lots of what is now Southern Sheffield used to be part of Derbyshire - so definitely Midlands ...
Manchester, Liverpool and Sheffield are all pretty close lattitude-wise so since Manchester & Liverpool are defined as the 'North-West' then Sheffield must also be in 'The North' ... well the Northern part of it anyway! 🙂
Stuart Maconie once suggested that the 'North' began at Crewe - I reckon there is some mileage in this.
Quite like the idea of the M62 though! and according to my friends up in Newcastle etc, we are all southerners except them!
Perchy 😁
For the next 3 months or so I live here
The BBC did a couple of interesting radio programmes on this subject in 2012, based on the socio-economic line from Grimsby to Gloucester (as shown in scu98rkr's map above).
Episode 1 Cleethorpes to Coventry
Episode 2 Warwick to the Severn
Well the Government must know, having set up Transport for the North at some considerable cost (£70bn is their total budget I think) they have an accompanying map to show where “the north” is. Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, Hull and Doncaster are all in. Crewe, Chesterfield and Grimsby are out.
Ranos ..no I'm well aware of what I've written ..I was perhaps wondering if that would benefit you though ..or maybe you should just stand in the corner for a while with the dunce"s hat on ..
I take it you are from the south ..?😂
I reckon stoke and above but not including Lincolnshire and Wales. Then it kinda stops above Yorkshire where you have the north east. The north west is kind of a forgotten entity except the lakes, does anyone ever visit Carlisle I bet it's cold up there. This map is good.
https://wikishire.co.uk/map/#/centre=52.744,-0.617/zoom=8
Ranos ..no I’m well aware of what I’ve written ..I was perhaps wondering if that would benefit you though ..or maybe you should just stand in the corner for a while with the dunce”s hat on ..
You're aware that you're conflating the UK and GB, and referencing a hypothetical division that didn't happen? Most folk, when aware that they're talking cobblers, would stop. Not you though!
When I worked in Basingstoke, I remember the station advertised certain train destinations simply as "The North" (everywhere else was somewhere London and south of).
Ranos..why you had to get involved in something that didn't concern you in the first place is laughable ..as already stated I was responding to Drac ..who obviously hadn't read the article .
My stance is that Haltwhistle is the centre of Britain ..which the article confirms " depending on your point of view"
The only one talking cobblers is you old son ..am I supposed to think you are super intelligent now after your last response ..it just made you look a little foolish .
Ranos..why you had to get involved in something that didn’t concern you in the first place is laughable ..as already stated I was responding to Drac ..who obviously hadn’t read the article .
You seem to be unaware that this is an open forum.
The only one talking cobblers is you old son ..am I supposed to think you are super intelligent now after your last response ..it just made you look a little foolish .
If it helps you to believe that, be my guest.
I think its somewhere near Hatfield
Living on the south coast I consider anything north of Crawley to be "the North"
Failing that I follow Stuart Maconie's sage advice: the north begins at Crewe station, beyond which point the geology becomes harder, the accents flatter and the climate wilder. And the surface of the M6 turns from tarmac to cobbles
You could certainly map this out by the statistical prevalence of people with chips on their shoulder, as demonstrated by some of the loons on this thread. Funny though.
therealthing...l'm sorry you've lost me already with your bollockspeak .."statistical prevalence " ..what exactly does that mean ?
statistical prevalence of people with chips on their shoulder,
Are these chips fried in beef dripping? 🐂
I believe mushy peas with chips is also an indicator of being in The North.
A mate of mine from Manchester came up to Edinburgh for a party. He was most put out at being introduced to folk as " my mate from down south"
It’s ok Ranos just claiming a town in the Northumberland is the center of the uk makes it so. Guess there’s a lot of flat earth believers in in Haltwhistle.
Wrong again Drac ..I never said UK ..
Get it right ..
While on the subject ..it's not me saying this it's well documented ..here is another link for you ..
https://co-curate.ncl.ac.uk/haltwhistle-the-centre-of-britain/
The earth isn't flat ?..
Who would have believed it ..you live and learn ..
Anywhere above the Equator?
Seriously though, the North must include Sheffield - just ask Steve Peat if he is a Southern Jessie.
Oh sorry. Britain.
It’s ok Ranos just claiming a town in the Northumberland is the center of the uk makes it so. Guess there’s a lot of flat earth believers in in Haltwhistle.
On the one hand, we have chippy locals trying to prop up tourism. On the other, we have the state cartographer. It's a difficult choice...
Centre of Britain? Hold on chaps, OS defines Britain as England and Wales, so that would put the centre further south wouldn't it?
Damn, this is nearly as confusing as finding The North... 🙂
The "The North" starts where the Romans gave up 🙂
According to my detailed studies 1975.
Those in the north know how to spell "centre" 😉
Where's the North? It's where it's at!
If a man enters a pub and orders a half pint, and it's deemed socially acceptable, he's in the south.
My God somebody has looked at the other photos on IG
🙂
"Those in the north know how to spell “centre” Where’s the North? It’s where it’s at!"
whitestone
Where’s the North? It’s where it’s at!
Dunno, it sounded pretty quiet when I was talking to my mate up at Dunnet a few minutes ago. 🙂
The North isn’t a place, it’s a state of mind
Page 1 nailed it.
For me anything below Penrith is Midlands to me.
It does seem odd that people think "The North" finishes below Cumbria.
Scotch Corner A66.
Pee stop at the House of Bruar is the defining line for me
South of Sheffield is “East Midlands” so i’d put the A57 as the great divide. Northeast starts at Thirsk, ok it’s in Yorkshire but Herriott was a Mackem-supporting Glaswegian. Northwest is north of M62 & west of the Pennines, as far up as Carlisle.
It’s where chips are from isn’t it?
chips for tea.
fish and chips for £2.50.
Chips (editor).
chips on shoulders.
chips for dinner.
Birmingham is the midlands so anywhere above that is North
The chips on shoulder comment has surfaced quite a lot on this thread mainly by people not from the north. Why is that?
Doesn't it depend on which BBC region you get?