Can I just abuse you JY?
yes e-mail in profile do you want to visit me or shall i visit you?
Poor troll or moron above either way I am not rising to it..... I am only rising for DD
I don't have kids so I can't comment on this thread.
Everybody is prejudiced against others to some degree, now that is undoubtedly true.
Agreed. It's little mouthy blokes that get right on my tits. I'd give the lot of em a right old slaaaaap if I thought I could get away with it.....
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Absolutely. I have no problem with anyone at all but it seems many of them either have a problem with me/us or they want to take advantage of our welfare system without contributing.
I agree completely, the Daily Mail is an excellent source of information on this.
If you want to frighten yourself with how easily everyone picks up racist tendencies through society and upbringings, take this test from Harvard - click the link [url= https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/takeatest.html ]Here[/url]and then select Race IAT on the next page. Interestingly even most black people (in the US at least) inadvertently seem to be biased towards white people!
I'm going on a march
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excellent work.
Depending on the size of your tinfoil hat, I found it interesting that the original clip of the musalimic raygun came from Press TV.
Press TV happens to be a state run Iranian television company with a level of impartiality that makes Fox news look like the BBC.
And I found it interesting that amongst other high profile individuals, including MPs, both Andrew Gilligan, and of all people, Nick Ferrari, have worked for Press TV. Tony Blair's sister still does.
I'm not a racist, but ........ any state owned Iranian English language television company must, by definition, be less impartial than Fox News.
I mean think about it ........ Rupert Murdoch doesn't even wear a turban.
I am a Fat-ist... 😈
I work alongside a young guy from ****stan who thinks that all Afro-Caribbean people are stupid...
He needs correcting, all races have stupid people!
Interesting, apparently: "Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for African American compared to European American."
Don't know what that means, though. White guilt? Like jazz? Beats me.
What if someone sed 'I [i]am[/i] a racist, but I quite like people from other ethnic backgrounds'? 😐
They'd be confused.
Self-hating Jew?
Ah, the SHJ thing; Jewish friends have explained this to me. In fact some have bin accused of this by other Jewish people. An interesting subject...
Agreed. It's little mouthy blokes that get right on my tits. I'd give the lot of em a right old slaaaaap if I thought I could get away with it.....
Blimey. Good thing we don't know anyone like that, eh Peter? 😯
Yawn.....
We keeping you up, Ian? 😀
It's well past his bedtime, his mum will be along to put a stop to him soon
Blimey. Good thing we don't know anyone like that, eh Peter?
Yeah I spose it is......
I once met a man from Bengal
Who went to a fancy dress ball
He thought he would risk it
And dress as a biscuit
But a dog ate him up in the hall
I long for the day when all the people of the world, yellow, red, black & white, can live together in peace and harmony.
Except the French, of course.
Best one I heard was a bloke in a bar a few years ago moaning about foriegners coming here and taking jobs saying that he was going to Spain to open a bar!When I pointed out he would be a foriegner working abroad he got really funny!!!!!!!!
You are just redefining racism and instead of saying your skin makes you better it is now your culture that makes you better. I dont see a great deal of difference tbh. It is just an attempt to over intellectualise your sense of superiority and dislike of other races /cultures you view as inferior.
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece
Personally I think that the fact that I come from a culture where rape is generally not acceptable while others come from a culture where it is makes me culturally superior. If that makes me racist then so be it.
In a recent debate here in Norway about the fact that such a staggering percentage of rapes were committed by men of non-western origin a suggested solution was to send male asylum seekers on a course were they would learn that in western culture rape is not OK. I'm a bit skeptical about whether that will work.
Having lived in the middle east for a number of years I've seen plenty of examples of what I consider to be cultural inferiority such as using people from the subcontinent as virtual slave labour.
I really don't think you can call people who have a problem with other cultures racists.
Personally I think that the fact that I come from a culture where rape is generally not acceptable while others come from a culture where it is makes me culturally superior.
Eh? In what culture is rape 'acceptable'?
Explain please.
I'm not suggesting for a minute that two rights make a wrong, but does anyone think that African, Indian, ****stani, Chinese, Jewish etc communities get their knickers in such a twist when one of their brethren make a comment that could be construed as racially unacceptable to white British people. Maybe they do, but I doubt it.
In the DR Congo and Rwanda it is so common it seems to be part of the culture at least among males.
does anyone think that African, Indian, ****stani, Chinese, Jewish etc communities get their knickers in such a twist when one of their brethren make a comment that could be construed as racially unacceptable to white British people. Maybe they do, but I doubt it.
Why do you 'doubt it', STR? Is your doubt based on any actual experience of living amongst such communities and people, or just your own prejudices?
FWIW, I have seen a lot of racism from Asian people towards others, and also from Black people. Racism isn't the preserve of Whites.
The very worst most destructive racism I've encountered (and suffered) has all bin from White people. This does not however cloud my judgement or vision of White people, as I am fortunately sufficiently enlightened to know that racism is inherent more within the individual rather than a particular culture or ethnic group.
And in my experience, yes, many people of ethnic/cultural minorities do indeed get their 'knickers in a twist' over racist comments from others.
In the DR Congo and Rwanda it is so common it seems to be part of the culture at least among males.
I know where you're coming from with that, but I think the problem is to see behaviour from people who have lived in extremely brutal and catastrophic situations as part of their 'culture', when in fact it isn't really. Rape is used as a form of exercising and expressing power and control (and has bin throughout history, see the recent Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, Vietnam, WW2, etc), but is not a fundamental aspect of any 'culture'.
I think the underlying reasons for behaviour should be understood before and condemnation is made.
In the DR Congo and Rwanda it is so common it [b]seems to be[/b] part of the culture
I think the underlying reasons for behaviour should be understood before and condemnation is made.
You're probably right there. When it comes to rape culturally acceptable probably isn't the phrase I'm looking for although I do think that there are certain cultures where the "she was asking for it" mentality is more common.
In this case I'd say that Norwegian culture is superior to the UK. I've never heard anyone here (in Norway) suggesting that women should dress more conservatively to reduce their chances of being raped. It's something that I've heard to a greater or lesser extent many times in the UK.
I think there are many cases where culturally acceptable is exactly the phrase I'm looking for. The example I gave earlier about the Middle East stands. It is accepted that people from the subcontinent are second class citizens and their life is worth less than that of an Arab or a westerner.
In this case I'd say that Norwegian culture is superior to the UK
I know/have known Norwegians who would argue this, read up on the treatment of the Lappish people in Scandinavia. Although I will say that my experience of Norway suggested it is quite a liberal and open-minded society that seems quite progressive and perhaps not quite as parochial as certain aspects of British culture.
Norway benefits from having a relatively small population who enjoy a very high standard of living and crucially, education.
was there a "slutwalk" in Oslo ? I think there was.I've never heard anyone here (in Norway) suggesting that women should dress more conservatively to reduce their chances of being raped
In the DR Congo and Rwanda it is so common it seems to be part of the culture at least among males.
What do you mean at least among males ?
You haven't given your nasty little racist rant much thought have you ?
In this case I'd say that Norwegian culture is superior to the UK. I've never heard anyone here (in Norway) suggesting that women should dress more conservatively to reduce their chances of being raped. It's something that I've heard to a greater or lesser extent many times in the UK.
This is an elaborate way of saying I endorse this culture and have taken on the norms and values of this culture and therefore think anyone who has different culture[views] is inferior to me. It is also clever to choose the highly emmotive issue of rape as your exemplar
Whilst, on this issue I would not disagree what you need to do is look at anthropology and the first rule of anthropology. I suggest you read up on cultural relativism
Comparing another culture to your uses yours as "best" will always result in the other looking inferior as it has different rules to your "better" ones.
There are some interesting studies/research on how Arab [ muslim communities and western ones view females as being mistreated by each community. Western communities view women as subordinate to males and repressed by conservative dress in arab/muslim communities. Arab communities view the overly sexualised dress and behaviour of women as women being forced to pander to male desires. Both cultures think they treat women better. Women in each community also agree.
I can see both views to be honest.
It is cultural arrogance to claim your culture is superior and is not really any different from claiming your race is in that it is generally bollocks.
Re Rape it is also possible that people traumatised by events are more likely to do horrible things. Oddly people abused are more likely to abuse be it those physically or sexually abused. It is not as simple as you have tried to make it to prove you are culturally superior.
I dont wish to discuss the rape issue and if you cant see the bigger picture and respond to culturla relativism there will be no debate from me.
My understanding of cultural relativism is to understand a culture within it's own environment. As far as I can tell it doesn't preclude there being moral absolutes.
Take a hypothetical society where slavery was common place. Looking at the history and culture of that society it is perfectly understandable why the majority of people would think that slavery is acceptable.
If there was another society that had abolished slavery then at least in that one aspect couldn't you call that a superior cultural characteristic?
There are some interesting studies/research on how Arab [ muslim communities and western ones view females as being mistreated by each community. Western communities view women as subordinate to males and repressed by conservative dress in arab/muslim communities. Arab communities view the overly sexualised dress and behaviour of women as women being forced to pander to male desires. Both cultures think they treat women better. Women in each community also agree.
Going back a few years, if you compared the attitudes towards women in Oman with attitudes toward women in Afghanistan under the Taliban I would say that it is difficult to say that Oman is culturally superior. Women make up a large percentage of the workforce and can attend university, drive and enjoy far more freedom than most places in the Middle East.
I'm not sure how much the studies you mentioned take into account the massive cultural differences between Arab countries but the study does sound interesting.
at least in that one aspect couldn't you call that a superior cultural characteristic?
of course you could if you judge them by your standard of slavery being bad [ which obviously I agree with] or your own ethnocentric view. Problem is "right" has varied over the centuries and human culture so finding an absolute is quite hard.
Over the millennia human cultures right and actions have varied. We have done human sacrifices, practised infanticide, taken young male lovers to remain faithful to their wives, married many wives, had harems etc. What is right will vary depending on who/when you ask/ed. Every side can tell you the reason why their view is right. You either agree or disagree with it.
I think the modern approach has been to see absolute truths and adopt universal human rights which we argue are inalienable rights all people have by virtue of being human. .
Ultimately I do tend to agree that some things are absolute truths[ rape and slavery are wrong for example] but we need to be very careful when we do it in general.
Ultimately it down to whether you view /believe there are actual truths via say the ten commandments or the declaration of human rights.
However the poster suggesting
I have no problem with [b]decent[/b] people of any background, I have a problem with [b]negative cultures[/b] that clash with mine.
Skin colour has nothing to do with it as far as im concerned.
Absolutely. I have no problem with anyone at all but it seems [b]many of them either have a problem with me/us or they want to take advantage of our welfare system without contributing[/b].
gives away a serious ethnocentric bias that would not be supported by detailed analysis of immigrants contribution to the uk. The rest is just pejorative tbh .
You put forward a far better argument [ damning with faint praise] that whilst I agree with the values put forward I am wary of more simplistic sweeping generalsiations based on comparing my "culture" with others as i we will always see it as better than others.
It may be or it may not but we will always think it is. On here we get it over big issues like road v mountain biking for example.
The study re Arab perceptions was done in the UK iirc but the reference is at work.
Sorry it is a long post.
