[Closed] The Last Jedi - Seen it, contains spoilers!

I might consider petitioning to re-edit TFA and TLJ into one better start to a new trilogy, there is surely a coherent story that could be told while still introducing the new characters and giving a satisfactory end to the old ones.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with that.

While I don't doubt there won't be any more coherent versions you can sure as hell bet Disney are revving up for plenty of milked out special editions at some point.

coherent story

I’ll bite.

What overall story doesn’t it fit?

Hmm. Much, much more enjoyable on the 3rd viewing. I think that this time the humour didn't grate. The only parts that jarred were the wildlife, and Luke's big space cow drinking scene.

It really is full of excellent set pieces. I even think I heard someone refer to a "27 b slash 6" in the casino scene, when they were being arrested.

I'm raising my score to 7/10. And Mark Hamill is really phenomenal.

Hmm. Much, much more enjoyable on the 3rd viewing.

You didn't like it, so you went agen. Still didn't like it, so you went for a 3rd go??

Sounds like it was worth it for you, but I won't be attempting this strategy.

Rob Hilton - Member
Hmm. Much, much more enjoyable on the 3rd viewing.
You didn't like it, so you went agen. Still didn't like it, so you went for a 3rd go??

Sounds like it was worth it for you, but I won't be attempting this strategy.

Not quite- 1st viewing was a surprise present from a pal, 2nd was our regular arranged work Christmas night out (my boss is a huge geek and SW is almost mandatory), and 3rd was with a group of old pals; the latter 2 were arranged weeks ago.

Took my 5&6 year olds and they loved it I thought it was decent.

I haven't seen all the other films though so I'm no starwars geek...

Seen TFA and the original trilogy but saw phantom menace and didn't bother with the other 2 after that

There were quire a few bits that annoyed me. Now don't get me wrong I appreciate it's a flight of fantasy but as a bit of a Star Wars tech geek they seem to have lost the plot. I'd give it a 6.5/10.

1. Poe Cameron talking to the Star Destroyers - Really! I'm pretty sure they'd just blow him out of the sky and ask questions later.

2. Those bombers. They're slower than an old Y-Wing / B-Wing and they have to be over the target to drop their bombs. Also they have no electronic targetting they basically look out of the bomb bay doors. Jesus Chris a Lancaster had higher tech than that.

3. Fighter Screen, what fighter screen? Did the Imperials not go to military academy? No lessons learnt from all the Death Star and SSD destruction. Basically throw up a decent fighter screen.

4. Hyperspace tracking. Did no one think to look for the transmitter that had to be placed on the Republic/rebel ship. Oh no stuff that we'll go on a one way trip to the imperial flag ship, WTF! Also if they knew they were only tracking the flagship why not all jump aboard the smaller ships and scatter?

2. Those bombers. They're slower than an old Y-Wing / B-Wing and they have to be over the target to drop their bombs. Also they have no electronic targetting they basically look out of the bomb bay doors. Jesus Chris a Lancaster had higher tech than that.

... and gravity.

Despite all that, thought it was a bit rubbish. Rehash of the same old story. And the rebellion seemed surprisingly chipper at the end given they'd just had a good kicking and lost most of their people and ships.

 I even think I heard someone refer to a "27 b slash 6" in the casino scene, when they were being arrested.

What is 27 b slash 6?

And the rebellion seemed surprisingly chipper at the end given they'd just had a good kicking and lost most of their people and ships.

But they are the spark that will light the fire that will burn down the Empire lol

Again, I'm willing to overlook a certain level of plot hole in the name of sci-fi/fantasy, but some of them were a bit too silly to ignore. My main gripes are...

1/ Why didn't the First Order light-speed away and then back again a bit closer to the Resistance ships so they were within firing range.

2/ The whole casino world plot seemed a missed opportunity, none of what happened had any real bearing on the rest of the film. You could lift that whole section out and it would make no difference.

2b/ Some of that felt very like Phantom Menace, especially when they were escaping riding on the backs of what-ever-they-weres.

2c/ Not a gripe, but I totally expected Lando to be somewhere on that planet...

3/ TFA raised various threads and questions which all seem to now be irrelevant.
Whoever said (above) that it feels like it's being rebooted again hit the nail on the head.

Points 1 and 2 make 80-90% of the film irrelevant. They're my main gripes, the following are just general grumbles that I'd typically ignore/overlook;

4/ Caretakers, Porgs [b]or[/b] "milkers", not all 3...

5/ Leia suddenly being inexplicably able to significantly use the force

6/ Some of the CGI of younger Luke appeared to be a pile of body parts glued together, like a puppet who's had 1 in 3 of his strings cut... The first time they showed him he looked to be animated by the people who brought us King Rollo...

7/ Since when were Finn and Rose pilots (Finn needed Poe to pilot the TIE in TFA)? Was I the only one hoping Finn was going to actually sacrifice himself and fly into the laser?

I'm clearly missing something, as most reviews seem to laud it...

My Rating: A generous 6/10

5/ Leia suddenly being inexplicably able to significantly use the force

Her natural talent with the force due to her Skywalker ancestry is referenced a few times in this film and the others

I agree with 6/, 'skinny Luke' did look quite weird!

You mean the 'you're on hold, is that Admiral Hux?'stuff?!?! I thought that was absolutely amazing!!! So irreverent, definitely stuck a much needed finger in the eye of po-faced science fiction.

Enjoyed it though, it was (way) better than TFA, but not a classic nor better than Rogue One.

Her natural talent with the force due to her Skywalker ancestry is referenced a few times in this film and the others

Indeed, and smaller examples of force use wouldn't have stood out so much, but "supermanning", while unconscious, half-way across the solar system seemed a bit OTT for a first effort...

Yeah it was a bit Mary Poppins! Lol

[u]Things I liked:[/u]

Mark Hamill' s performance! I didn’t even mind the green milk bit – underlined the fact that he’d gone a bit feral and unhinged.

BB8 – Especially the Dutch-boy-with-fingers-in-the-dyke bit aboard the X-Wing.

Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley.

Laura Dern’s light-speed Kamikaze run.

Snoke – A surprisingly charismatic baddie in his gold Hugh Heffner dressing gown. Wonder how they’ll crow-bar his back-story in now?

The Millennium Falcon swooping in on the final battle.

Cool new ships/vehicles, e.g. the Tie Silencer and the GorillAT-ATs.

[u]Things I didn’t like:[/u]

I know historical precedent should have prepared me for this, but anyone with an understanding of physics superior to that of a Flat-Earther is in for a rough two and half hours. Lots of bits where I was laughingly suspending disbelief in order to let them get on with telling the story, e.g. the fact that the Star Destroyers can’t catch up to the Resistance ships, because they’re “smaller and lighter”, or the fact that their weapons lose effectiveness beyond a certain range, despite the fact that they’re projected energy weapons being used in a vacuum. Also not sure how effective free-fall bombing would be in space, although I suppose it’d be OK since they were in the gravity well of a planet? Might work on a conveyer belt, I suppose…

The Leia as Mary Poppins bit.

Monte Carlo in space.

The tone and language of a lot of the humour was jarringly contemporary – not bad as such, just felt out of place.

Not necessarily a bad thing (and it didn’t bother me), but it was a bit self-consciously [i]right-on[/i], e.g. mature female intellect trumping youthful willy-waving belligerence (Holdo winning out over Poe), the aforementioned Monte Carlo in space bit and the part Rose (not-conventionally-attractive female hero with a social conscience) plays in it.

What is 27 b slash 6?

new tyre size. you heard it hear first.

You mean the 'you're on hold, is that Admiral Hux?'stuff?!?! I thought that was absolutely amazing!!! So irreverent, definitely stuck a much needed finger in the eye of po-faced science fiction.

As above. i think the Star Wars films have always had humour, but just too much of it in this was childish, good to have maybe the scene with the Porgs and Chewbacca, but then it was just to much having then all over the Falcon, then again with the "diamond dog" things at the end, seems they got a bit carried away, i am expecting them both to have their own 20 minute xmas special films now like Frozen and the other Disney films.

I think the Leia scene where she gets back the bridge hovering in space after it is destroyed, just being so naff, kind of turned me slightly against the film. I think it is why i liked Rogue One, that tougher, darker edge to it (like Empire before)

3/ TFA raised various threads and questions which all seem to now be irrelevant.

It was as if millions of plot threads cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

anyone with an understanding of physics

There was also something I read somewhere that suggested that she was actually more powerful in the Force that Luke, but never pursued it and never had any interest in exploiting it. But it fits the current zeitgeist of having strong powerful women in the film so showing her as being as powerful as Luke in the Force fits, and it was hinted in the original films that she had some Force awareness and ability. The whole scene of her flying through space back towards the cruiser was a bit naff.

I thought it was very good, in keeping with the whole Star Wars thing with some genuinely jaw-dropping moments. Us oldies have to remember this is a kids film and not intended for us specifically. It has to change slightly as things have moved on and it needs to appeal to a variety of audiences. It's all about the merchandising at the end of the day.

7/ Since when were Finn and Rose pilots (Finn needed Poe to pilot the TIE in TFA)? Was I the only one hoping Finn was going to actually sacrifice himself and fly into the laser?

They were effectively speeders, so just like cars rather than proper space craft.

Despite what I wrote above, I did like lots of elements of the film, but those 1st 3 issues were significant enough to spoil it for me.

Things I enjoyed;
- The opening sequence/battle
- Rey and Ren's "connection" and dark/light ambiguity
- Throne-room fight
- Luke and Rey's "training" (although it was a bit drawn out)
- Poe being the new Han

I did find the physics distracting. There did seem to be some unusual gravity in the space battles.

Also Amilyn Holdo said "Godspeed rebels". That and a several other cultural references didn't fit with continuity. I'm not a massive star wars geek and I noticed.

Still enjoyed it though.

6/ Some of the CGI of younger Luke appeared to be a pile of body parts glued together,

When was that, I don't remember that bit.

My Rating: A generous 6/10

Amen

6/ Some of the CGI of younger Luke appeared to be a pile of body parts glued together,

When was that, I don't remember that bit.

Middle-aged Luke...
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It also made me think of this (Jump to 50s)

I think it was the first flashback to him stood over Ben/Ren.

Ah, gotcha. I doin't realise it was CGI, I just thought it was his acting 😉

It was as if millions of plot threads cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced

Very good 🙂

Enjoyed it 🙂

When was that, I don't remember that bit.

The Luke on the salt planet (Crait?) was a much younger version of his current self, as in dark hair (much less grey) and a lot slimmer. I'm guessing it was to match what he looked like when Ren last saw him at the temple. He also moved in a very different way to the retired, island Luke- I'm assumming it was a stunt double with Luke's head stuck on top

"27 b slash 6":

They were effectively speeders

Ski Speeders no less 😆

Was I the only one hoping Finn was going to actually sacrifice himself and fly into the laser?

No.

And 'godspeed' and use of the word 'soul' can get in the ****ing sea as well.

6/10, only because it's Star Wars. I did enjoy the Poe 'on hold' bit at the start though, that was funny, but there were too many one-liners and lots of the dialogue was [i]really[/i] clunky. The hyperspace jump through the flagship was ace. I'll still buy the DVD when it comes out... 😆

edit- this mainly though-

I thought this was just a lame attempt to jump on the bandwagon of films such as GOTG/Deadpool/Star Trek reboot which are popularising this style of humour. Doesn't work IMO in a Star Wars film which is supposed to be po-faced.

No.

My plot hole is, if entering light speed in kamikaze move was enough to largely destroy the entire enemy fleet, why not do that from the start?

Empty 1 ship out, bar a pilot. Turn around, enter light speed clean through them, destroy and carry on about your business.

Not really a plot hole IMO (although I did think the same at first until I'd given it a bit more thought!) The transports weren't supposed to be detectable. I suspect the idea of a suicide mission as a desperation move to save your friends is "acceptable" whereas it might otherwise come off a bit terrorist-y if there were still other options. 🙂

if there were still other options.

like an auto-pilot? or a droid? or a little nodding bird to press the button Homer Simpson style

Or even just build a big missile with a hyperdrive...

My plot hole is, if entering light speed in kamikaze move was enough to largely destroy the entire enemy fleet, why not do that from the start?

As the film would be a lot shorter. 🙄

amedias - Member
Or even just build a big missile with a hyperdrive...

[url= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galaxy_Gun ]Bin dun[/url], in the not entirely brilliant Dark Empire 2 comic.

27 b slash 6

Thanks!

Just watching Rebels season 3 with the boy. Kanan just did a Mary Poppins style space walk...so you see what Leia did was possible from a certain point of view!

Not read all of the posts in thread.

Watched it last night, disappointed that they really are struggling for new original plots.

So much is rehashed from previous films - attacking rebel base = empire strikes strikes back. Snokes captured Rey and tried to turn her - return of the Jedi.

C'mon.

Be interesting to see how the next few episodes pan out now all the old characters are out. Star wars The next generation...

Not quite all of them C3PO and R2D2 are still there...as is Chewbacca