[Closed] The Landed Gentry

Everybody who doesn't like the 'new money' people iz jus jelus.

interesting article here

[url= http://libcom.org/news/article.php/land-ownership-right-roam-uk-10032006 ]http://libcom.org/news/article.php/land-ownership-right-roam-uk-10032006[/url]

I personally believe that a countries land should belong to the countries people, so nothing to be passed on to families.

As for individual wealth I have no issue with how much someone gets paid, as long as the gap between the richest and the poorest is reducing in our society. Study after study has shown that social and economic inequality leads to a worse standard of living and life expectancy for all members of a society

[url= http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html ]Graphs and facts [/url]

We are obviously struggling with definitions here. Is everyone who inherits land one of the "gentry"? If not, what other criteria do we need to consider?

seven +1

(Eight? 😉 )

Druidh, the wiki definition seems reasonable. [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landed_gentry ]wikiwikwarp[/url]

seven - Member
I personally believe that a countries land should belong to the countries people, so nothing to be passed on to families.

I personally believe that a countries land should belong to the countries people, so nothing to be passed on to families.

Typically on STW there are the bitter, inverted snobs but lets not forget the far-left marxists who pretend they're main stream. cough.

Typically on STW there are the bitter, inverted snobs but lets not forget the far-left marxists who pretend they're main stream. cough.

Not to mention the 'I'm alright jack' Toryboys who think that the poor, the disenfranchised and the exploited should have 'bally well worked harder then'...

I dislike the landed gentry for the way they sneer at my cheap shotguns.

druidh - Member

Including the land that my house is built on?

Leasehold or Freehold - not everybody owns the land that the house they own is on, so there is clearly a working model that just needs some tuning 🙂

wrecker - Member

Too late.

For what?

I struggle with long sentences

are we really asking why it is unfair that people inherit land, titles and privledge now mdue to an accident of birth
We think the Queen earned it, The Duke of Westminster all the heridtary peers etc

I beleive in a meritocracy and this is not one

To quote Billy Bragg

By theft and murder they took the land
Now everywhere the laws spring up at their command

For what?

To quote Billy Bragg

pmsl 😆

If it's been legally handed to them as their inheritance, then what's unjust about it?

define legal, have a read up on the enclosure acts, and the highland clearances and then talk to me about what is legal and what is moral. Remember that the laws are constructed by those in power often to their benefit.

The current owners may have legal claim but the manner of acquisition was far from morally justifiable in a huge number of cases.

JY - so meritocracy passes the "accident of birth test?"

Junkyard - Member
are we really asking why it is unfair that people inherit land, titles and privledge now mdue to an accident of birth...I beleive in a meritocracy and this is not one

http://www.amazon.com/A-Theory-Justice-Original-Edition/dp/0674017722/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339592917&sr=8-1&keywords=rawls

Chapter 17 for an interest take on this!

Interesting that some equate wealth with land ownership. This is often not the case. I would bet that many on here have a higher disposable income than my dad (inherited owner of 1,100 acres), or indeed any of the rest of my family.

And to those who believe that these 'stolen' lands should be given back, consider the following: who do they go to? What will they be used for? Who decides this? How will they be protected for future generations? Who pays for the upkeep and how? How is access controlled, by whom, and who pays for this? etc etc...

And to those who believe that these 'stolen' lands should be given back, consider the following: who do they go to? What will they be used for? Who decides this?

I know someone who fits the bill!!!

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What could possibly go wrong! 😀

And to those who believe that these 'stolen' lands should be given back, consider the following: who do they go to? What will they be used for? Who decides this? How will they be protected for future generations? Who pays for the upkeep and how? How is access controlled, by whom, and who pays for this? etc etc...

To a limited extent i can see where you are coming from, but who is farming the land the tenant or the landowner, who should have control of the land? why should access be controlled in most situations? If you look at scotland or scandinavia access is far more easily achieved than in England. What are we protecting for future generations? what is the point of the countryside? farming, recreation, private ownership, etc.

Can land be given back to the original owners, doubtful as many family lines will have died out, be untraceable.

I am of the opinion that the UK and its planning system is unfit for purpose which is causing this country a lot of issues.

Can land be given back to the original owners

Technically, doesn't God own it all?

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Unless the state controlled land ownership entirely

I taught some landed gentry agriculture at Uni, horrible obectionable little ****s. Having said that I'm sure others are very nice.

Not read it all but IME it varies tremendously from the benign / paternalistic owner to the utter shit.

fortunately we have mechanisms to force buyouts in Scotland so the shits can be forced to sell under some circumstances. Community buyouts have been a huge success as have charitable / conservation organisations owning states.

enfht - Member

Typically on STW there are the bitter, inverted snobs but lets not forget the far-left marxists who pretend they're main stream. cough.

Far left maxists? On STW? The nearest we have is dear old ernie and is is by no means far left. A fairly moderate maxist 🙂

I like the idea of all land going into the communal pot after death. How long do you lot want for your families to move out? 5-10 mins ok?

Usual crap about take it all of them but not us.

Nice stats earlier though turns out it's the MOD and FC that own the most. With the much loed C of E coming in after that. Perhaps we could try out the model on these first. About 1/10th Acre each?

To be honest i don't really care about the landed gentry, i would rather the system allows anyone to do pretty much anything they see fit with a plot of land they own, a virtual removal of planning laws, and allowed open access to all land where no reason can be showed for not allowing it.

i would rather the system allows anyone to do pretty much anything they see fit with a plot of land they own, a virtual removal of planning laws, and allowed open access to all land where no reason can be showed for not allowing it.

Blimey!!

Planning laws should be there to prevent complete monstrosities and unsafe buildings being erected. Along with trying to keep development on plan. Want a sewage works in the middle of a housing estate? What about a 24hr sawmill?

Access to all land? I assume you mean farm land and not gardens and industrial units? Just what farming needs another bunch of idiots popping up from behind every hedgerow and wall. Some of this might just be for your safety!!

Planning laws should be there to prevent complete monstrosities and unsafe buildings being erected. Along with trying to keep development on plan. Want a sewage works in the middle of a housing estate? What about a 24hr sawmill?

No, most of the problems in this country with land prices are the result of stupid planning rules, As for preventing monstrosities define one, i would say most new build housing estates fall into that category? IF you want to build a saw mill, where is it going to be? near forestry, why force it to be built on an industrial estate nowhere near the logging?

Want a sewage works in the middle of a housing estate

Access to all land? I assume you mean farm land and not gardens and industrial units? Just what farming needs another bunch of idiots popping up from behind every hedgerow and wall. Some of this might just be for your safety!!

Read the whole quote, where no reason can be shown for access being banned. If there is a genuine safety concern, farm machinery, guns, quarry fine, but owning a patch of woodland and deciding to keep people out just because you can, then sorry no.

Read the whole quote, where no reason can be shown for access being banned. If there is a genuine safety concern, farm machinery, guns, quarry fine, but owning a patch of woodland and deciding to keep people out just because you can, then sorry no.

I did I just don't come from the far end of this where you are.

People (ie general public) have a great time dropping litter pulling things up and taking them home and a great deal of other bad habbits. Why should peoples workplaces and property be opened up to everyone? Can I have a picnic on your garden?

Why are woodlands so special?

Why does the concept of ownership get as far as houses/sheds etc but stop there?

If you want to go roam in some woods go buy some! http://www.woods4sale.co.uk/

A rambler was stopped by a landowner from crossing his land. The rambler asked "How come it's your land, then?"

The landowner said: "It's mine because my ancestors fought for it."

"OK", said the rambler, "take off your coat and I'll fight you for it now"...

this..

I guess that what may have started out as a teen jealousy has matured over the years into a sense of injustice that has spawned a vehement righteous indignation..