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If you’re going to do bad graffiti then I’m 99% sure the big graffiti guidebook says draw a penis.


 
Posted : 22/03/2022 11:34 pm
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Whilst I would default to shooting whichever idiot did this

Bit harsh. I shudder to think what you would do to a thief…!


 
Posted : 22/03/2022 11:34 pm
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this type of thing has been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years 😉

Maes Howe on Orkney - a neolithic barrow - was vandalized by vikings with rude graffiti


 
Posted : 22/03/2022 11:36 pm
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and if you don’t, you’ve deftly illustrated what’s really causing the decline in modern society – lots of people happy to make a big noise but very few actually prepared to put any effort in when it comes down to it 😉

You're not helping!

The challenger is like a four hour round trip from me so it's not worth a special trip just to score Internet Points. They are however somewhere I'm likely to be passing at some point.


 
Posted : 22/03/2022 11:56 pm
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I might build a rock feature specially for your efforts…


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 12:01 am
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was vandalized by vikings

What about all the vandalizing done by the Vandals?

Don't wish to sound racist but I think it's a Germanic thing.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 12:05 am
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I might build a rock feature specially for your efforts…

Rock 'n' balls?


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 12:10 am
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😉


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 12:14 am
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Have we done the thing about kids not knowing how to wear trousers properly?


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 12:33 am
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It's arsehole behaviour.
Regrettably, there is much worse happening in the world.
So much of what is deemed irrelevant or minor reminds me of the 'broken windows' policing strategy adopted by Bratton and giuliani in NYC which was very successful before being dumped.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 1:02 am
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It’s no worse than banksy defacing a wall of some sort…
…depends how you look at it.

If I saw that out on a walk I’d definitely be mumbling obscenities about the see you next Tuesday…same as I would a banksy.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 1:11 am
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There is a music video that accompanies that graffiti..
I dont know how to post it but if someone wants to I can send it to them.
It is class.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 9:09 am
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The decline of civilisation isn't the fact that someone vandalised a rock. As others have said, it's been going on since we have had civilisation.

The decline of civilisation is the fact that someone does some vandalism, someone else takes a photo of it and publicises it on the internet, then various other people publish it other places on the internet so what should have been 20 minutes with a brush with some soap and water becomes a national catastrophe that clearly illustrates the decline of civilisation.

Then a bunch of people start discussing it for days on end.

So yes, the decline of civilisation is a problem and it's our fault 🙂


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 9:11 am
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A bit of graffiti and war protest in one on the summit of Beinn an Dòthaidh this Sunday.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 9:30 am
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It used to be a thing to carve your name into rocks at popular tourist spots.

Or help in the building of cairns in wild places.

Neither are really acceptable but there are worse things to get extremely upset about. Littering is more of a bullet to the back of the neck affair in our household be it in the wilderness or our local recreation ground. We don't all want to live in a crap heap.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 9:41 am
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It certainly ruined an otherwise lovely day out on the fells.

Says the twitter in the OP. Honestly, I think they need to get out more. Presumably they wouldn't look twice at graffiti on a tube train or a bus-stop but when it's sprayed onto a rock that a just a handful of folks will see; it's ruining their day?

The replies are filled with people blaming this on "political correctness", and "this is what happens when you encourage people to come to the lakes"  and "And Greta blames my generation for ruining the world" The underlying message of course being encouraging the "wrong" sort, because as we all know who's handiwork this is, right?

As others have said, if this was 2000 years old, it'd be the guide books, and folks would be complaining about the paths leading to it being too eroded.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 9:53 am
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https://twitter.com/LakesWeather/status/1506301553115811840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1506301553115811840%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsingletrackworld.com%2Fforum%2Ftopic%2Fthe-inexorable-decline-of-society%2F

Does it say "Daz"? Who was it that was asking for helvelyn route advice on here a day or so ago? Whatever, as long as they weren't dry tooling.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 10:06 am
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Presumably they wouldn’t look twice at graffiti on a tube train or a bus-stop

Nope, it'd still be a bloody eyesore.

As others have said, if this was 2000 years old

But it isn't, is it.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 10:20 am
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Some of the graffiti on trains is pretty good.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 10:30 am
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Its not a DBK.

Poor typography, back to the city for more practice needed.

Style 1 out of 5
Location 5 out of 5

😉


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 10:44 am
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If it was a Banksy people would be fighting over it. It would turn up in an auction house next month.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 10:46 am
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But it isn’t, is it.

Nor will be really, as give it a couple of years of Lakeland weather it'll likely fade away to nothing.

Nope, it’d still be a bloody eyesore.

But no one is tweeting a photo of a bus-stop covered in tags and saying how awful it is, and how it's ruined their day I'm not saying this isn't grim, but there's clearly an un-said acceptance by the tweeter that the problem here is not that there's graffiti on a rock necessarily, but it's graffiti on a rock that is in this particular environment, not to put too finer point on it.; A middle class playground. That's what most of the tweet responses to this are tacitly admitting. If this makes you angry enough to tweet a response to it, then do something about graffiti but don't ignore it elsewhere only to be enraged by it on a rock that's frankly in the middle of nowhere


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 10:56 am
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Up on the Cow and Calf rocks above Ilkley there’s graffiti going back at least 100 years, the difference is it is beautifully chiseled into the rock – yes they chiseled a date too. A little longer lasting than a spray can.

Agree, worse than spray graff. Whilst now the rock is mainly covered in chalk, the olders even chiseled holds to make climbs like the er Chiseler on Doris butress, named after the Ilkley chiseler, stuff that'd get you shot these days at least more than a severe tutting, chiseling holds by a quarry.

And then there's the bloody Stanza Stones, smug Armitage hubris carved into the rock for ninnys to come and search for, getting in the way of some okay riding.

Mind you in the really old days they went round chiseling swasticas into the rock


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 10:58 am
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I think this is more a reflection on the disconnect between people and place. It is lack of education and care for our world, even more so when it is a wild place or place you have rarely (if ever) visited. We need more people to experience nature, the hills and places - and be guided in how to respect for and care for such places.

(The trouble maker in me says that the Lakes fells are utterly man-formed landscape these days, and how come a path up a hill visible for miles is OK, but graffiti is not...I place bet on adolescent having a go at some 'ownership of place' - which is a key theme in adolescent play...)


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 10:59 am
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Also, we have history on rock 'art' in wild places...








 
Posted : 23/03/2022 11:04 am
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Well I suppose one man's art is another man's scribble.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 12:14 pm
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The fact that we are able to (Largely) discuss this in a civilised way despite very different viewpoints tell me that there is still a largely civilised society…


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 1:26 pm
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Has anyone seen that Stonehenge place? Some bunch of yobs have dumped a shit-ton of boulders somewhere they clearly have no business being.

Makes me seethe every time I drive past.

*no, I don't think the spray painting is ok but it's not quite a "decline of society" delineator either.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 1:39 pm
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Some bunch of yobs have dumped a shit-ton of boulders somewhere they clearly have no business being.

Makes me seethe every time I drive past.

Yeah but where is their neolithic society today?

Perhaps the OP has a point after all.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 1:50 pm
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Yeah but where is their neolithic society today?

Funnily enough it occurred to me yesterday wouldn't it be nice if Ancestry could track your lineage back to those times, or even earlier? So you could discover which French cave or African valley your forebears inhabited. Or even which great ape was your ancestor.

Maybe I should set up a scam DNS test site thingy.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 1:56 pm
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So you could discover which French cave or African valley your forebears inhabited. Or even which great ape was your ancestor.

Your forebears, and mine, could trace their DNA to every rock shelter and African valley, which should make this:

Maybe I should set up a scam DNS test site thingy

very simple and not at all a scam.


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 2:09 pm
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Yeah but where is their neolithic society today?

We're living in it 🙂

Point is that this kind of thing is immortal, has always been and always will be. It's not good, but it is not indicative of a decline in society because it's always been there. If anything it's indicative of the opposite - the consistency of society!


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 2:14 pm
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The irony of people not getting irony!


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 2:55 pm
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In Gloucester Cathedral you can read the graffiti carved on Edward II's 1327 tomb by the schoolboys from King's School. They've also carved their names all over the outside of the cathedral too. God knows what the punishment was if you were caught...


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 3:40 pm
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Worlds oldest cock and balls graffiti??
https://twitter.com/HistoricEngland/status/1100727321819009024


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 3:58 pm
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This is some pretty good context:


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 9:07 pm
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A good luck symbol, a fertility ritual, or just a cock and balls?


 
Posted : 23/03/2022 9:20 pm
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I reckon it’s the third option.


 
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