This thread should be ” your favourite album”
No, it really shouldn't. The question was about a particular epoch and indeed you're suggestion for 'an' album from that time you consider the greatest.
Your overthinking this.
No, I agree. There are albums I objectively consider as great but for whatever reason, I don't like.
And others that will make MY top five or ten but objectively are not, because what makes something a favourite is far more than the quality of the songs and technical recording, etc. The time you heard it, the memories, maybe who you heard it with, and so on.
George Best is my favourite album of all time without doubt. Objectively it not even in the Wedding Present's top 3
Merak - how can ( for example) anything from the the Smiths be considered great albums? Objectively its depressing teenage poetry coupled to exactly the same jingly jangly guitar every song. Good pop music perhaps but greatest album of the era? or some of the derivative rock music suggested?
Heres another suggestion for you:
Blackbeard - I Wah Dub
Using the effects possible from multitrack recording he pushed on from where Lee "Scratch" Perry had taken music and moved it onto another level
well, seeing as it was voted the top album by NME journalists past and present, I'm going to go with their opinion rather than that of a retired geriatric nurse.
https://www.nme.com/news/music/the-smiths-29-1237525
Do I think it's the greatest album of all time..... maybe not but there is NO DOUBT among people in the know, it is a great album.
Objectively its depressing teenage poetry coupled to exactly the same jingly jangly guitar every song.
That’s subjective, isn’t it?
[ “Strangeways, Here We Come” is a better album anyway (in my entirely unprofessional opinion). ]
Oi - Im not a geriatric yet!
This thread should be ” your favourite album”
This is always the case when you ask a question based on taste. Yes it's possible to couch the question objectively (as Gerald the gorilla said "the production on that album...) but generally we will answer subjectively and we all have different tastes.
Im not a geriatric yet!
dismissing Johnny Marr (and Andy Rourke's amazing bass lines) as 'the same jingly guitar every song' makes me think you've descended into senility 😉
Its my view. I find it tedious navel gazing and nowt special musically. Its decent pop music for depressed white boys in bedsits - ie the NME audience 🙂
Looking thru that NME list shows a very narrow taste.
Edit: No reggae, no afrobeat, no highlife, very little soul, etc etc
Have you thought of a future as a music journalist Uncle Jezza?
Describing the utter genius of Johnny Marr, one of the greatest ever guitarists, as ‘exactly the same jingly jangly guitar every song’ is certainly an interesting take. 😂
Compared to Clapton? Prince? Hendrix? Robbie shakespeare ( Ok he was a bassist)
Look at Sly and Robbies output and the influence they had on world music!
Or the influence of Fela Kuti?
this is a very narrow view of music expressed here and in the NME
its all about music for depressed teenage white boys
Smiths were decent pop music yes but the influence they had on the world was tiny. Big fish in a small pond
Biggest Smiths fan I knew at University was an asian girl, FWIW. Getting to be a bit racist there TJ, in your determination to always be right.
Dear Christ, I can’t even pick the greatest Iron Maiden album of the 1980s, and that’s just one group in one genre.
Hell yeah.. I couldn't think of albums that meant more to me than Iron Maiden's for most of the 80s. I was 10 in the mid-80s so most music seemed a bit weird to me, or just pop. Maiden though, that meant something. And Metallica and AC/DC.
Stone Roses 1st album for me though. Heard that as a teenage metalhead and something happened. House music had grabbed my attention and softened me up ready for it, then everything changed between 89 and 91. If various DJ mix tapes from that era could be classed as albums I think they would have pipped the Stone Roses. Not artistically, but in terms of impact on life at the time. But that was early 90s not the 80s.
Most of the people on here probably were teenage white boys in the 1980s.
Have you been smoking crack again Uncle Jezza?
probably but to dismiss one of the most important bands of the history of modern music as being only for depressed white teenage boys is mildly offensive, as i say bordering on racism in the definition of "antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group"
the influence they had on the world was tiny
Utter bollocks.
From the first post.
I understand your opinion may not be the same as mine.
But no, let's ****ing argue.
Its not determination to be always right. I'm partly taking the piss and partly trying to say that there is a huge spectrum of music not represented in these lists. That link took me to a list of the current ( at that time) NME staffers lists of best albums. 100 odd albums. All UK or US and only a couple of non white artists represented
How many of you have even heard Fela Kuti for example? A hugely influential artist.
All depends on how you define greatest for sure but one aspect of it for me is that it should be game changing and worldwide.
I did put some emojiis in and maybe should have put more in 🙂 Apologies to those who took what is intended to be a lighthearted post as serious
All depends on how you define greatest for sure but one aspect of it for me is that it should be game changing and worldwide
You’re aware that the Smiths are revered as something approaching deity all over South America?
I’m not sure that particular audience fits into to your ‘depressed white teenagers in bedsits’ demographic
Looking thru that NME list shows a very narrow taste.
Edit: No reggae, no afrobeat, no highlife, very little soul, etc etc
That’s like criticising a top 100 list created by Kerrang for having no country and western in it!
NME was targeted at a certain market and their views reflect that market.
otherjonv - compared to Sly and robbie? Lee perry? Beatles? Clapton? Bowie? Marley? Fela Kuti? Miles davies? these people changed the world of music forever.
Racism accusations is a bit over the top " shocked picachu face"
Edit : Oops first post at the top of the page. Not a good look.
All UK or US and only a couple of non white artists represented
I just looked at the top 100 list, saw Lauryn Hill, Stevie Wonder, Public Enemy, Wu Tang, Massive Attack, Prince, Miles Davis, Nas, Kanye West...
How many of you have even heard Fela Kuti for example?
I'd imagine most of us have. He's played on 6 Music all the time.
[quote="themuffinman"]That’s like criticising a top 100 list created by Kerrang for having no country and western in it!
NME was targeted at a certain market and their views reflect that market.
Exactly my point. to use the NME as a reference for what is the best is only looking at a very narrow range
Binners. I spent 5 months in south america in 1990 and never heard anyone mention the smiths
SCXC - a differnt list - its was the current NME staffers list I was referring to
^ I looked at the link posted on last page...
All the artists you have mentioned have brought something to the genre of modern music, but I believe the Smiths sit in there with them. The fact they were only around for 4 years give or take, and yet are still influential and discussed nearly 40 years later, indicates their importance,
Racism accusations - no, I stop short of that but to dismiss a very influential artist as being only for depressed white boys is starting to head that way. Even if tongue in cheek. Would you say for example that rap is only for black american drug dealers, in a tongue in cheek way?
Binners. I spent 5 months in south america in 1990 and never heard anyone mention the smiths
Well that’s that cleared up then. Case closed.
And I’ve never heard of Fela Kuti!! 🤣
The Stone Rose were overated.
And it was teenage girls who idolised The Smiths at our school! 😀
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I’m partly taking the piss and partly trying to say that there is a huge spectrum of music not represented in these lists. ...........................
I did put some emojiis in and maybe should have put more in 🙂 Apologies to those who took what is intended to be a lighthearted post as serious
And now I can't get the quote thingy to work. Back to my TV dinner in my bedsit after I get it working
that there is a huge spectrum of music not represented in these lists.
Yes I managed to resist posting classical albums.
Jive Bunny bought pleasure to millions yet are inexplicably overlooked
formulaic rubbish, nicked from Hooked on Classics and updated
And I’ve never heard of Fela Kuti!!
Get listening then! That’s the beauty of these threads… checking out recommendations not just the warm hug of remembering your own favourites. Anyone who’s not read this thread and then checked out stuff like The Chameleons album are missing out. Although TJ is being lazy not naming an actual album from the 1980s. I can’t help… all the Fela Kuti classics were in the 1970s, in my opinion.
I checked - the albums I mentioned were 1980 ( no don't start the debate over whether 1980 is in the 80s again)
If I was allowed a 79 album I would have had the Specials. Now they shook up music 🙂 I was a big metal fan until I heard the Specials and they changed my world 🙂
Edit - I think yo are right about Fela Kuti. his best work was in the 70s. I mentioned him as the type of influential artist often ignored
Merak – how can ( for example) anything from the the Smiths be considered great albums? Objectively its depressing teenage poetry coupled to exactly the same jingly jangly guitar every song.
Objectively, your opinion is just that.
Yup
Whats that saying - opinions are like........
🙂
If I was allowed a 79 album I would have had the Specials.
The concept of this thread seemed incredibly simple to me!
Whose this Freddy Cutie bloke anyway?
trying to get back on track
Get listening then! That’s the beauty of these threads…
Agreed. And if you've never heard The Queen is Dead start there because it is, definitively, the greatest album of the decade 😉
And somewhat prophetic for this year…
Is that an order jonv? suppose I'd better. 🙂 Its decades since I heard it
No, I forbid you to.
Listen to The Bug Club instead.
Can I just add at this point… what a time to be alive!
Due to the wonder of streaming I went through this thread last night and banged on a load of albums I’d not listened to for years, or at all
From that i reminded myself that Talk Talk are incredible and years ahead of their time and Welcome to the Pleasuredome is a superb album!
Agreed. And if you’ve never heard The Queen is Dead start there because it is, definitively, the greatest album of the decade 😉
I said Stone Roses, but despite being released in 1989, it's a 90s album really. Which brings me back to TQID.
So many big things happened in my life during that decade it's impossible not to time travel when I hear tracks from many of those listed albums,and it will always make them the most special(to me).
So cheers OP I have my Sunday night playlist sorted.
Oh, and just to add some more to the list 🙂
High Land Hard Rain - Aztec Camera
Eden - EBTG
Hats -Blue Nile
there is a huge spectrum of music not represented in these lists.
For sure. I should probably have posted something obscure, or I dunno, sign o't times, or whatever was spending time on my turntable/cassette player. Instead of what I actually listened to most and was just a massive thing at the time. But yeah, didn't take too many years for it to become very clear that the stone roses were not actual messiahs.
