[Closed] The Grand National.

Lots of overweight sweaty blokes,in badly fitting suits and some very good looking ladies, standing around a field in scoucelandshire, all drinking to excess, and going whoa, horse, argh, evey time something looking like a horse passes them.While spending copious amounts to bet the horse will actually win.

Some people are easily pleased.

Why is the risk of less horses being bred to run in racing being given as a good reason to perpetuate the sport?

At the moment, a few race horses die each year.

Ban The Grand National, and as a logical result of that, National Hunt Racing As a whole.

What happens to the horses then ??

And I don't buy all the guff about owners loving the animals

I don't believe that's your real opinion.

In fact....... I reckon what you [i]really[/i] think is the total opposite of what you claim.

And as I don't know you in any way, and have never even met you, I am perfectly qualified to know how you feel .....

......Right ?
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lemmings are choosing to jump of cliff

myth invented by Walt Disney

i am not sure how you support your assertion that the animals want to do the event

Never said anything of the sort

there's not one horse in the field that doesn't want to run and jump.

here it is in full

Loose horses continue round the national course of their own choice, remember- there's not one horse in the field that doesn't want to run and jump.

there is not even STW wriggle room there

Ban The Grand National, and as a logical result of that, National Hunt Racing As a whole.

like arguing that banning fox hunting would lead to the banning of fishing

Lots of overweight sweaty blokes,in badly fitting polyester shirts standing around a field in scoucelandshire, all drinking to excess, and going whoa, millionnaire, argh, evey time something looking like a footballer passes them.While spending copious amounts to bet their team will actually win. Some people are easily pleased.

I agree.

The number of horses racing is higher and the fences bigger than other 'jump' races. Other races don't lose two horses every race. Just make the National like the other races.

it should be banned for it's cruelty. also other things that should be banned are ruining the trails by killing plants with bike tyres, murdering insects with car windscreens and allowing anything that lives to be harmed. what wonderful sad grey boring world those vegan facists would have us all living in. off out to kill me evening meal. happy moaning.

Why bother with jumps? The French, the Ozzies and the Yanks get plenty excited about the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, the Melbourne Cup and the Kentucky Derby without having to put life-threatening obstacles in the way of the horses. That's not to mention the mega-money stakes at the Hong Kong racecourses...

Flat racing is dull!! Jumps throws in a little uncertainty! It should never be banned!

all drinking to excess, and going whoa, millionnaire, argh, evey time something looking like a footballer passes them.

nealglover - You've tried to be clever but still haven't said why the demise of national hunt racing would be a bad thing. Once the fate of current stock is decided (hey, they'll all get shot eventually anyway) it would mean less are bred to feed that industry, and would improve the welfare of horses long term - there would also have been a fair few less slaughtered over the last few days.

And what I've given is an opinion on owners motivations, which doesn't require any qualification whatsoever. As it happens I do know a few horse and greyhound owners and they don't really give a sh*t about the animals, they'll soon dump the perfectly healthy ones that don't perform.

Yes you are correct we could not ban the national without banning National hunt Racing as a whole it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE and a brilliant well argued logically point you have made.

Thanks.

Glad we agree.

Junkyard - Member

there is not even STW wriggle room there

Are you having a laugh? The quotes you've provided prove I never said what you claim I said. No need to wriggle when you've nicely laid it all out in black and white and saved me the hassle.

Junkyard - Member

Yes you are correct we could not ban the national without banning National hunt Racing as a whole it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE and a brilliant well argued logically point you have made.

It would make no sense to ban the national without banning other equally dangerous or more dangeous chase events, is the logical point which shouldn't need explaining. But given your hyperbole I'm confident you understand the actual point he's making perfectly well.

i got my money back on Cappa Bleu..

As it happens I do know a few horse and greyhound owners and they don't really give a sh*t about the animals

Mmmmm

Yeah......I thought you might ...... 🙄

Funny how you didn't mention that earlier, when you just implied you were [i]Sceptical[/i] about it.

Flashy, I agree.

Some people are easily pleased.
Have you seen Henley?

As to the animal rights/uneccessary cruelty argument, humans indulge in horse racing purely for their own satisfaction.
Exactly the same reason that we breed dairy and beef cattle, exterminate rats and no longer share our living spaces with lice & fleas.

what's the death rate of angling?

Post of the day

My comment was actually about the whip, seems it would be a better test of man and beast were the man not hitting the beast with a stick.

An act which also seems at odds with their love for the animal?!

Rusty, I have. It's a grand day out, as I'm sure wendyball is for those that follow it. I hate it, soccer that is, but as others enjoy it, good luck to em. Not for me, though.

More horses die one day eventing no real out cry. Certain sports carry an inherent risk,that is why we do them. Were do you stop,there is always someone who will complain. Those horses were at the top of thier sport,to suggest the owner of syncroniesed who one the gold cup 28 days ago is cruel or uncarring is plain stupid that horse was worth a small fortune,l am sure theu are devestated. It is a tragic accident that is all.

When a man dies in a bike race, where is the out cry to ban cycling?

( I don't know if there have been any female deaths in cycling, hence the possibly sexist comment here. )

Cracking race this year. Brilliant finish.

why anyone would want to associate themselves with such a tasteless farce is beyond me.

CaptainFlashheart - Member

Rusty, I have. It's a grand day out, as I'm sure wendyball is for those that follow it. I hate it, soccer that is, but as others enjoy it, good luck to em. Not for me, though.

You see, whilst you lack the common touch, I feel I can mix with all sorts, even the closeted, inbred sons and daughters of the shires without being judgemental or resorting to automatic weapons.
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When a man dies in a bike race, where is the out cry to ban cycling?

It was his choice to be there.

Do you agree with killing head lice?
Drink milk?
Would you put poison down to kill rats?

Surely, this is killing other animals purely for your own satisfaction, to enhance your quality of life, isn't it?

nealglover - I'm saying that I don't believe the owners of dead horses when they say they're sad on welfare grounds. No-one who cared about the animal would expose them to such acute risk of death.

You still haven't said how the industry of horse racing justifies the cruelty it entails.

No-one who cared about the animal would expose them to such acute risk of death.

Do you think farmers don't care for the animals they raise?

Klunk - Member
why anyone would want to associate themselves with such a tasteless farce is beyond me.

you'll grow out of it and realise that for us to have a decent culture it needs to be diverse and you'll often not agree with some of it but will suport those that disagree with you. each to there own hey and live and let die. as for tasteless, a good tender horse steak can be very nice with dijon mustard and some lightly steamed greens.

[i]you'll grow out of it and realise that for us to have a decent culture it needs to be diverse[/i]

yeah chav it up to the max.

Of course they do - they care for them because they have an economic value. Good care makes them worth more. They won't hesitate to shoot one that is a burden though. Just like horse owners.

Thanks.

Glad we agree.

Are you having a laugh? The quotes you've provided prove I never said what you claim I said. No need to wriggle when you've nicely laid it all out in black and white and saved me the hassle.

Rusty spanner no one is killing horses,l didn 't see a sniper shooting random horses, it was tragic accident. Bit diffrent to killing

Rusty, +many!

Unless you're a full on vegan (and if you are, I admire and respect you, while disagreeing with your opinion.) Get back in your glass house and put the stones down.

I can't see what you're trying to get at with those quotes Junkyard (not argueing, really, really can't make it out)

Edit: the earlier quotes, not the last ones

Ever met a farmer?
Seriously, go and speak to a few.
The decent ones understand the dichotomy between care and profit.

What's the dichotomy then? Go on.

the idea trainers and owners don't care about their horses is utterly ridiculous. I expect the people associated with the training and care of Synchronised were in tears when they heard the news he had been killed. When you spend that much time looking after and developing an animal you get to know its character, and intelligent animals get to know you.

Paul Nicholls was asked about the safety issue on the radio earlier and the presenter talked about lowering the height of the jumps. He reckoned that would only increase the speed horses could run at, and falls which would normally result in a treatable injury would cause fatal ones. One of the BBC pundits explains that you can't put a horse in a sling to stop them using a horse because they get infections like pneumonia.

I suspect the size of the field will be reduced next year. And if there is a death many of the people who hadn't thought about it for 50 weeks will be calling for horse racing to be banned (again).

*googles dichotomy*

I think there's a difference between breeding animals for meat and having them die as a result of activities we do for entertainment.

As for the original whip comment, I believe there are rules regarding the use of whips. They can only use them a limited number of times and in many cases don't use them at all, simply wave them around to "encourage" the horse. Some horses behave completely differently when you carry a whip and simply having one can make it much more forward.

The loose horses aren't running for fun, they are running for their lives. They gallop out of fear, it's a herd instinct as in the wild the herd animal at the back gets eaten.

I'm not convinced the owners love their animals. I know a lot of horse riders, owners but none do this sort of racing. They really do love their animals. But in the same way that people love their dogs (or even their children?) you can't be nice all the time and you need to teach behaviours using appropriate authority/force. Horses aren't particularly nice to each other in fields, they will kick out and bite to establish hierarchy.

csb - Member

nealglover - I'm saying that I don't believe the owners of dead horses when they say they're sad on welfare grounds. No-one who cared about the animal would expose them to such acute risk of death.

Our forefathers sent their sons off to war...

wish i'd never looked at this thread!

i'm not getting involved, although there's a lot i'd like to say- it's just not worth the hassle on here...

wish i'd never looked at this thread!

i'm not getting involved, although there's a lot i'd like to say- it's just not worth the hassle on here...

Tease!

Tell me you're not comparing the benefits to be gained from horse racing to those gained through fighting tyranny.