[Closed] The First STW Religion Poll

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Sh1T! No mormon! MORMON!

6. Not even interested enough to take part in a religious poll (sensibly).

Interested but Fully anti religious.

I'd like to be a 4

3/4

interested, some of the earliest things that humans have ever made are religious, personally: not for me.

3 mostly, 5 when some muppet thinks that any criticism or intelligent appraisal of their own faith is aggressive/militant without actually looking at the way their religion behaves/has behaved.

[b]saxonrider[/b] always thought some of your threads had a bit of the lay-preacher about them... 😉 What do you take from this poll so far?

5.

3 and 5. I find religious beliefs and stories fascinating, but also I'm repulsed by the sectarianism, the religious hate, the wars, the oppression of women and gay people.

The world would be a much better place if religions had never been invented, but also culturally poorer.

5

1 and like it here
You keeping a tally SaxonRider?

3 whilst I was working out in Canada at an outdoor centre with some guys with a First Nations background, Haida nation I think. Was also fascinated by religion in Nepal when I went on holiday there.
These days though I'm 4, with 5 tendencies when it comes to issues like abortion or same sex marriage.

3-4 but hit 5+ when anyone tries to thrust their beliefs on me, then I go into religionist mode, It's like being a racist which I'm not.

bencooper - the world would also be a much better place if it wasn't for a whole load of undesirable human behaviour that has precisely nought to do with religion.

Although there are some negative aspects to religion, I think it's quite naive to think that it's the root of most of the world's problems. If religion were obliterated, you'd be sorely disappointed to find that there is still a lot wrong with the world.

4-5

vickypea:

If you choose to answer, please do not make judgemental comments about anyone else's response.

4

3, if I'm hoping to sleep with a religious person.

I can't help but notice an overwhelming lean to the 4/5 end of the spectrum. Do you think STW represents a good cross section of society?

ask a randomly selected 100 (even a randomly selected 100 STWers) how they identify themselves, or what size wheels they use on their main MTB, or what configuration of shifters, derailleurs (sp?) they have, and the poll results will be totally different from those where the participants are desperate to show they are atheist or to let everyone know they have 650b / 1x / tubeless.

bencooper - I reserve the right to challenge such judgemental comments as the one you made.
Saxon Rider- I apologise if I've not followed the rules of this thread but as I'm not prepared to be called judgemental by someone who has just done exactly that themselves, I'm out of this thread and out of any other religious topics on STW. 😐

4 mostly.

I'm mostly a 4. After a few drinkies I may become either a 3 or 5 depending on the profundity of the conversation. If there's a firebrand theist in the room, it gets closer to 6. I much prefer existentialist discussions than dogma, but don't we all?

Btw: 29'er, 2x9 (one for going down the shops, the other for up hills)

saxonrider always thought some of your threads had a bit of the lay-preacher about them

What?!? I'm insulted. Trust me when I say I'm no 'lay preacher'! 😯

What made you think that? ?

@vickypea: Don't give up! I don't think you're judgmental!

Follow the Gourd !!! No, the Shoe is the one true way

I am here you know, give me my shoe back

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I'm a 5, I'd prefer the poll used the word atheist, it doesn't have the subconscious 'anti' suffix that could rile people (a very minor quibble). But as others have said, I don't like the organisations wielding influence over those who don't agree (schools, house of lords etc)

3, definitely.

The world would be a better place if there were more of us.

3 mainly

5 for all forms of aggressive bigotry, obviously not at all the preserve of religion!

bencooper - I reserve the right to challenge such judgemental comments as the one you made.

I didn't make any judgemental comments about you. Unless you are taking offence because I said I don't like religion, in which case getting personally offended about general statements is another thing that annoys me about religion.

I find it amazing how people can be disparaging about something clearly important to someone, to their face, and then get all self righteous when that person gets upset. In the name of secularism.

It's like me walking up and calling your wife an ugly bitch, then saying its your problem for being offended.

6 Atheist not anti religious just don't imagine for a second that god or gods exist. Quite happy for people to believe something different as long as they accept their belief in God is just that a private belief that should have no sway over civic life.

Or.. seeing that someone is upset by what you've said, and being self righteous saying they shouldn't get upset cos you're so right. In the name of secularism.

Maybe you should think about what you're doing a little more. You're being offensive (yes, you are) with secularism which is no different to religious people criticising you for being non-religious. Which is something almost everyone on this thread has complained about.

So basically, you're being a hypocrite. And THIS is what gets me wound up about the people complaining about religion on here. Cos you're no better.

It's like me walking up and calling your wife an ugly bitch, then saying its your problem for being offended.

If you're referring to bencooper's comment, it's like saying "I don't like ugly women" and the someone else getting offended about your opinion of their wife.

I'd hope everyone would be repulsed by sectarianism, religious hate, wars, and the oppression of women and gay people.

1, and always been a 1. I can feel in my bones that its the truth- and that's the difficult thing. I get all that "claims require proof!" schtick but I can only say that I just know.

Sorry.

Walk away mol 😉

If you're referring to bencooper's comment, it's like saying "I don't like ugly women" and the someone else getting offended about your opinion of their wife

Bingo. I didn't say anything offensive about vickypea, she decided to get offended because she took personally something I said about all religion. Something which wasn't actually objectively offensive - I didn't say "all religious people are idiots".

I find it amazing how people can be disparaging about something clearly important to someone, to their face

If that's aimed at me, then I didn't do that. I made no comments about anyone in particular at all.

Probably closest to a 3 from the categories given in the OP.

A strong dislike of zealots and bigotry, but with recent experience finding far more of this comes from the 5 end of the scale than the 1

If that's aimed at me, then I didn't do that. I made no comments about anyone in particular at all.

Oh, so if I said recumbents are stupid, and anyone who rides one is an idiot, you'd not think anything of it?

Vickypea- don't get offended by Ben.

He and I grew up in the same general area, and I can fully understand why he feels the way he does, based on what he's seen. I feel differently (just the opposite in fact) but fully get why Ben feels the way he does. Its the rational approach, and I know I'm not rational but have accepted that (for me anyway) there's truth beyond the rational, which is the bit I can never express.

BTW- sorry for 'apologising' for you Ben, I know you wouldn't want that, but you're a good bloke 🙂 and your viewpoint is totally understandable.

I'm out of here for the rest of this thread, have a good evening all.

Oh, so if I said recumbents are stupid, and anyone who rides one is an idiot, you'd not think anything of it?

Nope, I wouldn't be personally offended. Because I know you're wrong and so I'm happy to discount your opinion.

Cody, that's interesting - but I don't think I'm an atheist because I grew up in the West of Scotland.

Nope, I wouldn't be personally offended. Because I know you're wrong and so I'm happy to discount your opinion.

Do you not think that some other recumbent rider might be upset a little? What would happen if I turned up at a recumbent riders meet and started saying that?

Btw I hope you can understand I am simply using recumbents as a stand-in, clearly if I actually did this not much would happen.

Generally speaking, well behaved people tend not to insult things that are dear to others. That could be their kids, their religion, their country, their hair or clothes, and so on. You must understand that?

If you want to criticise something you have to be thoughtful and careful, so as to have a discussion without offending. Surely you were taught this as a kid?

Do you not think that some other recumbent rider might be upset a little? What would happen if I turned up at a recumbent riders meet and started saying that?

You might get missed out of the round when everyone goes to the pub afterwards. I don't think anyone would be seriously butthurt about it, they'd just think you were a bit of an idiot.

I know you're using it as a stand-in. My point is that the ability to take deep personal offence for somethings that's not directed at you personally is a common characteristic of religious people. Not solely religious people, of course, it's possible to get the same effect by being offensive about Scots or black people or whoever.

But, and I'll say this again, I didn't say anything offensive, I said that I thought the world would have been a better place if religion had never been invented.

Oh, so if I said recumbents are stupid, and anyone who rides one is an idiot, you'd not think anything of it?

But if you said some of the things done in the name of recumbents were bad and made no mention of the individual riders, he'd probably not care at all. I think you may need to reread what he said?

Religion or recumbents? Hmmmm. Good beards in both...sandals...self righteous smugness...hmmmmm

You might get missed out of the round when everyone goes to the pub afterwards. I don't think anyone would be seriously butthurt about it, they'd just think you were a bit of an idiot.

Btw I hope you can understand I am simply using recumbents as a stand-in, clearly if I actually did this not much would happen.

I guess not..

5.
Without going over points that are obvious, or have already been made, religion, I can only logically conclude is a mental illness, psychosis specifically.

Now [i]that's[/i] how you're offensive about religious people...

BenCoopers comment is a) not specifically aimed at anyone, and b) not particularly controversial. It's also c) within the context of a thread which is encouraging people to openly discuss their attitudes towards religion, so is ENTIRELY appropriate. In fact, I'm more offended by VickyPeas flounce and Mols attidude towards BenCooper than I am about anything Ben said. (That said, you'd still need a very sensitive offendometer to pick up a reading from me; in fact it may just be wind)

BenCoopers comment is a) not specifically aimed at anyone, and b) not particularly controversial. It's also c) within the context of a thread which is encouraging people to openly discuss their attitudes towards religion

It's also on the back of years of abuse handed out by a baying majority on STW. Don't forget that bit.

Mols attidude towards BenCooper

It's my attitude towards what he says on these threads. I understand that a person is more complex than that and I believe him to be a good man.