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You'd think so, wouldn't you?
She had a good day yesterday, as always.
Italy 3-1 Wales
Switzerland 2-2 Turkey
RM.
we know Brazil is football obsessed
I was in Rio for Scotland v Brazil years ago at a conference. I was chatting with a girl who said her grandmother didn’t think Ronaldo should be in the team. I remember at the time thinking my grandmother couldn’t name a footballer.
I'd like to see Wales get a draw tonight but I think they'll get beat (lower GDP and all that 😉).
Swiss v Turkey could be a dead rubber or very entertaining. 🤞
Italy 2-0 Wales
Switzerland 1-1 Turkey.
Turkey will chuck everything at it. They have nothing to lose so balls out.
(Turkey, US, Japan, Australia, Iraq will dominate international football in about 15 years. You heard it here first. Demographics!)
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I'm not confident.
It's going to be fascinating watching Ramsey and James. Moore's size will be missed but I fancy Chielini and Bomucci? Would not have enjoyed dealing with Ramsey's pace. If the ref doesn't let them get away with their usual 'guile' and 'cunning' I might want to revise my first estimate, which was based on an Italian collapsing any time Moore got within 5 yards.
Pretty easy to knock an Italian player to the ground.
Knock? That's being incredibly generous. That was a flat out dive in the box. VAR doing it's usually bang up job.
As soon as they feel a finger touch they hurl themselves at the ground. Someone mentioned the lack of diving. Wonder if they've changed their opinion. This looks like the Euro grass diving Championships of old.
That was a flat out dive in the box.
That was pretty obviously a blatant simulation or whatever the offence is.
Red card!!!
This is why I generally lose interest min tournaments at about this point. Utterly ridiculous reffing. Italy are pursuing a deliberate and thought out strategy of clattering Bale from the back everytime he gets the ball. Allen gets a yellow for an awkward challenge.
Ive lost count of the number of ankles that have got stepped on without even a fre kick. Ampadu gets a straight red for that. Just absurd. Almost exactly that happened in the Spain game for a pen but not even a yellow as I recall. Certainly not a red.
This is the ref who gave the other red card in this tournie. Absolutely ridiculous. Zero consistency. Absolutely pointless trying to play the game. Just come with your best $h*%housery.
Bastoni still hasn't been booked.
I had hoped VAR would be used to clear up this sort of blatant unfairness. More fool me.
Mancini was being interviewed just before and made the point that as it's a British side they'd be very physical.
Obviously played the ref.
Yellow at best for first offence and just mistimed.
as it’s a British side they’d be very physical.
I agree, Italy have been very physical. And snide. So the ref can't claim he hasn't been warned.
A Roumanian ref really has no business in a game of this level. He is utterly out if his depth. When Bastoni battered James off the ball he is still just giving him a friendly warning.
Nope, was perfectly well explained by Peter Walton, ex PL ref that the teams were all told before that that kind of sole of the foot challenge onto the feet and ankles (not really a stamp, but sort of) would be a sending off.
You can argue it shouldn't be, and I'd kind of agree, but when the refs have been told to interpret the law that way, and the teams warned that it would be, the discretion for 'first offence, a bit late' is gone.
The refs don't write the laws, they may not even agree with some of them....but they're there to apply them.
Now - discretion / common sense vs consistency, is a whole 2 further pages.
Nope, was perfectly well explained by Peter Walton, ex PL ref that the teams were all told before that that kind of sole of the foot challenge onto the feet and ankles (not really a stamp, but sort of) would be a sending off.
Which is fine. Except it hadn't been in the innumerable occurrences. So to randomly pick one out of the hundreds for a red card is utterly ridiculous. You can't say the refs haven't seen them, because they have given fouls.
It matters not a wit what UEFA says it's going to do. The players will go by what they refs have done. Apparently this referee thinks everyone else in the parade is marching out of step except him.
An Italian player raked the back of Bale's ankle with his studs very early on he is still on the field.
Just as an aside I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to what Petr Walton says. He is very often tragically ill informed.
Nope, was perfectly well explained by Peter Walton, ex PL ref that the teams were all told before that that kind of sole of the foot challenge onto the feet and ankles (not really a stamp, but sort of) would be a sending off.
Given that warning, yes it was a red, but not sure how consistent it's been. (I worked briefly with Pete Walton when he was still a part time ref, just before he got his PL call up)
Gareth Bale doesn't seem to have done much work chasing down and challenging today.
Gareth Bale doesn’t seem to have done much work chasing down and challenging in the past 2 years
FTFY
I'm not disagreeing with the inconsistency but the fact that others have got it wrong - even he's got it wrong previously in this game - doesn't mean he didn't get that right.
In fact seem the only consistency is that you disagree with everything I say! Even over whether left is right.
Think that was a good result for Wales. Playing with only 10 men for the last 30 or so minutes and not conceding any goals is great. Gutted that Bale didn't get the equaliser though.
Indeed. Fair play to Switzerland, they had a good go at it.
I’m not disagreeing with the inconsistency but the fact that others have got it wrong – even he’s got it wrong previously in this game – doesn’t mean he didn’t get that right.
If every other referee has got it wrong up until now, I'm pretty sure UEfA would have acted to fix it. I think the reaction of the Italians tells you everything you need to know. They were as stunned as the rest. What I'm saying is that Peter Walton says thats what UEFA said. As much as he fancies himself an insider, we will be as much briefed by UEFA as him. I suspect he's got that third hand from his contacts. If you really want to know what UEFA said, go by what the refs have done so far.
The one from the Spain game yesterday would have been reviewed by VAR because it was a penalty. If UEFA had genuinely said what Walton claims, surely viewing the video would have guaranteed he got it 'right'
To be fair, you confused me slightly by saying right hand side mid instead of just right mid. So I assumed you were talking about the mid on England's right.
Based on that game, I think Wales will fancy themselves to go further and I think they'd be right. Whichever of the 3 teams they face, I think they will match up well. I can see them getting to the 1/4s.
Robert Earnshaw said, in the panel interviews and agreed by the other pro's, that this type of tackle (treading on the foot) happens routinely in any training session, and indeed routinely when you play 5-a-side with more clumsy players. UEFA should try and clamp down on the leg breakers to the shin and ankle. And also pull players up for simulation more often..
Its almost sometimes like some of the UEFA bureaucrats have never played the game.
To be fair, you confused me slightly by saying right hand side mid instead of just right mid. So I assumed you were talking about the mid on England’s right.
I don't doubt you were confused but what I actually said was
yelling at the RB to tuck in who in turn would have been yelling at the RHS midfield to be getting back on cover
Anyway, onwards and upwards. Could turn out to be a decent second round for Wales, assuming Belgium win their game. Denmark, Finland or Russia?
Caher. I agree. But if that's what UEFA have told refs (red corner, Peter Walton vs blue corner C-O) that's what they've been told.
And that was well above the foot,
and it was VAR checked so the officials in Switzerland agreed (or at least didn't disagree)
It was quite dangerous play, clumsy but still dangerous
Calhagalou (sp?) did one worse about 10 mins later and got a yellow. It's the inconsistency that is annoying
Billy Gilmour has tested positive for CV19
If close contacts need to isolate then that's England's midfield shut away cos he had them in his pocket for 90 minutes on Friday night!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57551368
b'dum tish
Why can't the players who have been in close contact just take PCR are tests?
Also UEFA are ****s.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57566224
think they have and come back negative.... seems bizarre that no one from the Scotland squad has to isolate too.... Wonder what will happen is Croatia "kick off" about it?
Seems odd. Surely Gilmour must have been in closer contact with his team mates than Mount and Chilwell walking up the tunnel?
and Steve Clarke was hugging his players at the end of the match. One has to assume Scotland Players don't get a post match massage.
totally not a*sed about this evenings England game now. I knew the new Euros format/expansion was a load of crap but didn't expect a bunch of dead rubbers like this
who knows, England might actually play well now all pressure has been removed. They might even play Grealish and Foden at same time.
this is bonkers
I see the true flag-waving believers are hoping for a third place finish in the group to try and avoid playing anyone remotely decent. What lofty, vaulting ambition.
Next on their wish list: Kane having a shot on goal
Don’t hold your breath.
Through without kicking a ball means I can watch the T20 so i'm all for it.
I knew the new Euros format/expansion was a load of crap but didn’t expect a bunch of dead rubbers like this
It's not a dead rubber for Scotland (largely down to the format/expansion) and it shouldn't be for England, topping the group should be worth playing for although this time, and last time, that hasn't worked out. Maybe the group winners should get a bye and the second and best thirds have an extra knockout round.
It’s not a dead rubber for Scotland (largely down to the format/expansion) and it shouldn’t be for England, topping the group should be worth playing for although this time, and last time, that hasn’t worked out. Maybe the group winners should get a bye and the second and best thirds have an extra knockout round.
Yeah some teams have got stuff to play for, but for some fans (ie England fans) all we have to get excited about is 'ohhhh, who will we be playing next?' rather than 'we might walk this or finish with nothing'.
yelling at the RHS midfield to be getting back on cover
Which is different from what I said exactly how? Except you abbreviated right hand side. You seem confused that people are allowed to disagree with your opinion.
And that was well above the foot,
and it was VAR checked so the officials in Switzerland agreed (or at least didn’t disagree)
Did you see the Spanish penalty? The spanish player's ankike actually bent into a delightful curve due to the studs artfully placed on it. That was VAR reviewed and not turned into a red card. So apparently inconsistency doesn't mean some of the refs some of the time, it means all of the refs but one, all of the time.
Anyhoo, anytime you want of get back to exchanging ideas about football instead of personal point scoring, I'm down.
Its almost sometimes like some of the UEFA bureaucrats have never played the game.
So a snapshot of how the rules committee works:. At a tournament like this, gather your rules committee together. They are uniformly insiders as bent as any tory politician with a ppe contract I. His back pocket. They are also all over retirement age. The only way to get them off the prostitutes you may or may not have allegedly provided is to offer them a 5 or 6 course lunch of the most delicious and heavy foods you can find. Each course with its own wine choice natch. After this sumptuous repast, during the brandy and cigars, you try to get them to agree on and vote for some convoluted rule changes
Once you have seen how the rules committee works, you begin to understand how the game has become what it has.
There isn't a lot of science there, is there? 2 guys from a different team had a conversation in the tunnel, are classified as at risk contacts. Guys who have shared training, change rooms, team recreation sessions, shared physio's and trainers are totally not at risk.
Euro 2020. Brought it you by the letters W, T, and F.
I'm sensing some people have points they wish to get across....🤔
What the big deal?
Chilwell hasn't played yet and Mount is just one of many midfielders. They're not Messi or Maldini