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Weve just ordered an MG4
Good choice! We're very happy with ours. Which one did you go for. We deliberately chose the smaller battery as it meets the needs for mostly short trips. Having had it a couple of months we're wondering if we should have gone for the bigger battery as we use it as our primary car most of the time.
Still need to drop you that DM re Ionic 5. I'm about six months away from making a decision to buy my Koraq at the end of its lease, maybe trade it for 2nd hand Enyak or get something else (electric) entirely.
the most interesting feature on the escallade for me is the ability to add 100 miles in 10 minutes. If you doubled that (as tech advances, and with a car thats not quite as massive), range anxiety and massive batteries will be a thing of the past, as you can stop off and add 2 hours of driving in 5 mins.
molgrips
Does it come with bigger wheels? There shouldn’t be any other penalty, except perhaps more friction if the performance one has two motors?
Yes it does. The Performance also has different brakes and suspension, IIRC it has the same dual motor setup as an LR, but a different inverter. I assume a different rating on the tyres also.
Changing wheels on my ICE from 19 to 18, with correspondingly larger tyres (to provide the same diameter) saw about a 7% increase in fuel economy. Not least because they only make really sporty tyres in the larger size I needed and somewhat less sporty ones in the smaller size.
I assume you haven’t got an EV tariff?
no, it doesn't work out any cheaper overall given power useage profile in the house daily.
the most interesting feature on the escallade for me is the ability to add 100 miles in 10 minutes. If you doubled that (as tech advances, and with a car thats not quite as massive), range anxiety and massive batteries will be a thing of the past, as you can stop off and add 2 hours of driving in 5 mins.
Range anxiety is already not necessary if you have a 250 mile range. People still worry about it but I don't think they need to.
An Ioniq 6 can charge on paper at 350kW, but I think 220 is more typically reported. At that speed, if you do 4.5 miles/kWh you could add 80 miles in 5 mins.
The single motor cars are plenty quick though – the i4 40 is publishes at 5.7 secs 0-100kph but it is apparently actually a bit quicker – more like 5 secs. Is also feels quicker than the equivalent 0-60 ICE car, as in an ICE that’s recorded when everything is wound up – engine in the powerband, turbos on boost etc – all a bit noisy and frantic plus to switch from “normal” driving to accessing this level of acceleration means changing down a couple of gears waiting for the turbos to spool up etc. in an EV it’s instant – always there with no pause.
not very scientific, but I pulled up at a set of lights beside an M140i this am after the chap had been giving it big licks. So boy racer mode came on for a few seconds and i floored it (i4) when lights changed, braking very soon at 30 mph. I was a good car length and a bit in front of him by the time I was doing 30 and slowed down and he looked cheesed off 🙂
It was rather childish of me, as an old duffer in my mid 50's !
I did that in the Model 3 going from 30 to a 60 limit the first time we drove it just to try it out. My wife cried and was in a bad mood with me for the rest of the day…my son on the other hand thought it was great fun.
^^^ that does sound rather familiar 🙂 Having had the i4 for nearly 2 weeks now sensible head is back on mostly ..
I do find that i am using cruise most of of the time, just to make sure my speed doesn't creep up past the limit.
We are just about to hit order on a Tesla Model Y through a salary sacrifice. Any warnings I should know about? For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
Car leases aren't only based on the price of the car, they are based on the price less the residual value. So cars predicted to depreciate less after 3 years are cheaper to lease. Model Y is the most popular EV ATM IIRC so they are probably predicting high residuals.
With that in mind, talk of dropping EV second hand prices may well be driving up new lease deals too.
It appears that longer range 3rd gen EVs are still holding value. Ioniq 5s and iD4s etc are still pretty expensive second hand.
not very scientific, but I pulled up at a set of lights beside an M140i this am after the chap had been giving it big licks. So boy racer mode came on for a few seconds and i floored it (i4) when lights changed, braking very soon at 30 mph. I was a good car length and a bit in front of him by the time I was doing 30 and slowed down and he looked cheesed off 🙂
It was rather childish of me, as an old duffer in my mid 50’s !
Ha, I do this all the time in the ix3.
Quite often if my eldest is in the passenger seat , he will press the button to put it into sport at the lights. No words needed 🙂
Just seen a thread on Facebook by a German owner of both a Ford Mach-e and a 2 litre MX5 ND. He calculated fuel costs per 100km as 9 Euro for the Mazda and 8 Euro for the Ford.
Yeah you need the cheap leccy to get the super cost savings.
@iainc keep an eye on the various tariffs on offer as the calculation may change. The rates are all very different to when I signed up.
@iainc keep an eye on the various tariffs on offer as the calculation may change. The rates are all very different to when I signed up.
Very true
There's little in the day rate between Octopus Go 30.27 p/kWh and Flexible Octopus April 2023 29.97 p/kWh with the same standing charge.
We are just about to hit order on a Tesla Model Y through a salary sacrifice. Any warnings I should know about? For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
I saw this when we were wondering about replacing my SO’s Model 3. 🤷🏻♂️ why the Model Y is so much cheaper. Production volume? Is the design a bit simpler with the hatch rather than the boot (I’d not have thought it made a big difference)?
between the two, the Model 3 is more ‘fun’ to drive being a bit lower and a little bit smaller. The Model Y is more practical. And the all-glass roof is nicer than the split one in the Model 3 imo.
Warnings? Not really. One might be - RTFM as folks mention ‘so many menus to turn on the fog lights’ for example. IRL you just tap the lights icon on the display and the option pops up. Similar with changing the seat heating - just press the steering wheel button and say ‘my butt is cold/hot’ - done! Also, take your time setting the various options in the controls. It is easy to miss a feature and wonder why the car doesn’t do what you expected. Oh, and don’t get FSD - waste of money. Take time to get used to the automated driving assistance - it does not see what you see and while it is AOK on motorways, and with EAP such driving is a breeze, it can surprise on urban roads at times.
If I had my time again I’d be tempted to get the ‘P’. But in the end probably wouldn’t, again. decide before you press the ‘buy’ button.
He calculated fuel costs per 100km as 9 Euro for the Mazda and 8 Euro for the Ford
did he also calculate emissions?
Having EVed in Germany I can confirm that the cost of leccy at some charge points is higher than petrol for an equvalent ICE car. I'd also like to point out that each time there was a cheaper charge point at the same service station/hub, and within a couple of kms there were charge points at half the highest price on the 'bahn.
Yup. Same in Blighty.
Cambridge services on the A24 for example.
People paying 26p the ionity units
People paying 69p at the same IONITY units
People paying 69p at gridserv
People charging for free at the slower business provided chargers over the road
Etc etc. it’s quite a complex picture out there
I've been spreadsheeting again, calculating the rather eye-watering cost of motoring including tax, insurance and the finance we'd need or currently have. Given my usage from last year, and ignoring the overhead from caravan towing because the add-on cost of that would be about the same regardless of the option I choose so it can be rolled into holiday cost, the results are as follows in terms of cost per month:
Current diesel + replacement Ioniq = £750/mo (!)
Current diesel alone = £486/mo
Ioniq 5 = £594/mo
So an Ioniq 5 comes in at only £108/mo more than the Merc alone, and for that we get a 2 or even 1 year old car (which is still under warranty) rather than a 10 year old one, we get no DPF/short journey worries, a load of extra safety gear and no tailpipe emissions.
The dark horse here is a long range Kona which would come in cheapest of all at £445/mo but that would mean giving up the caravan and getting a trailer tent instead.
Cheaper EVs are available of course, but I'd be less happy with most of those options.
Edit, daft question !
The Ioniq 5 calcs are based on getting a really good deal on one though.
The other option I didn't consider was a super cheap EV which means an old Leaf or Zoe. Hmm.
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Yeah you need the cheap leccy to get the super cost savings.@iainc keep an eye on the various tariffs on offer as the calculation may change. The rates are all very different to when I signed up.
on the back of this I have today made the switch to octopus intelligent. It swops over on Tuesday from Scottish Power, hopefully seamlessly…..
The starting monthly figure is £100 less than we are presently paying, and based on todays readings i have a bit over £400 credit on the Scottish Power account, which I hope they rebate to my bank account ?
The Octopus app confirms that my car and Easee charger are compatible so will link them up after the switch over.
Buying an old Leaf in addition to keeping the diesel would cost us an extra £75/mo over only having the diesel and commuting in that. Just need to find a good one.
There’s little in the day rate between Octopus Go 30.27 p/kWh and Flexible Octopus April 2023 29.97 p/kWh with the same standing charge.
Agile Octopus has been great for Mrs S hybrid. Last month we averaged 16.64p/kWh and the month before 18.64p.
Apologies, I am sure it's well recorded online but could I ask why you opted for agile over tracker and how you maximise that more frequent pricing please?
I'm on tracker and conscious that I'd want quite a saving for the extra "overhead" of thinking about things every hour.
The hybrid only needs 2.5 hours to fully charge on the wall charger so it's easy to pick a slot to optimise rates (usually around 02:30). In fact we sometimes charge twice a day and we even get surge pricing where we get paid to use electricity. Here are the cheapest 1/2 hourly periods today
12:00 - 12:30 5.93p/kWh
12:30 - 13:00 5.5p/kWh
13:00 - 13:30 4.95p/kWh
13:30 - 14:00 0.09p/kWh
14:00 - 14:30 1.36p/kWh
14:30 - 15:00 0.48p/kWh
In theory price can go way up to something like £2/kWh but very rare and we haven't had anything like that since we started in April.
I had my first failed fast DC CCS charge attempt today.
ChargePoint 150kw charger. Tried using my chargepoint card but it didn't work. Used my debit card and got to plug in charger then it failed.
2 pending £15 charges later, I called the helpline and had a nice chat with the operator.
They were able to reboot the charge point and they attempted to start the charge remotely.
The charging still failed.
The operator suggested other nearby chargers. Fortunately I was local and had '50' miles remaining.
Overall, helpful customer service.
Thankfully I had 25% battery left.
The gf suggested filling the car up with petrol and joked that hybrids were better.
We are just about to hit order on a Tesla Model Y through a salary sacrifice. Any warnings I should know about?For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
LHD Model Y are indeed built at Giga Berlin but all the RHD Model Y come from Giga Shanghai.
Nothing to worry about, I have one myself. Its a great car. Enjoy.
For some reason the the Model Y comes out much cheaper than a Model 3. The only reason I can think of is that they are made in Germany.
I would imagine the Y is cheaper because it holds its value better, being an SUV.
As above , RHD Y made in China. I think it’s just the Perfomance version that comes out of Germany.
I would imagine the Y is cheaper because it holds its value better, being an SUV.
Yay crapitalism.
@Shinton. Thanks for that, really helpful. Christ, that's cheap, I had assumed it was largely similar to tracker rates with a little tickle down on the odd hour. Tracker today was near-as-damn-it 18p/Kw today (well, yesterday now).
We're the same (PHEV, charge twice a day most days) but I don't feel I readily control when we use our electricity (barring the odd wash, or the wife coming home at 5pm so I know we're unlikely to go out again).
"usually around 02:30". So, do you in this instance set the charger to delay until 02:30, go to bed and hope that this period is as cheap as is typically the case? I'd hate to wake up to find the rate has gone mental
“ usually around 02:30”. So, do you in this instance set the charger to delay until 02:30, go to bed and hope that this period is as cheap as is typically the case? I’d hate to wake up to find the rate has gone mental
They publish the next 24 hours rates at 4pm every day, so using an app like Octopus Compare, or the Octopus website, you can plan your charging that evening or the following day.
Yesterday afternoon was basically free to put 24kWh in the car, and there’s been a few weekends recently where the price has actually been negative, but that’s a rarity. Overall however, since I switched to Agile in April, I’ve been averaging about 15p per kWh for all use. It will obviously rise in the winter, at which point I’ll take a look at Tracker. I’d only use Intelligent or Go now if I needed to charge the car on a daily basis. That’s the only way to mitigate the high peak hours cost of those tariffs.
@bensales has it. Car gets plugged in on arrival. During the evening Mrs S checks the next days rates on the Octopus App then switches to the Hive App and sets the charger schedule for whatever time during the night is cheapest. However, the last update to the Hive App has been shambolic and it assumes you are on a smart tariff from British Gas and automatically schedules the charge for when British Gas rates are cheapest - WTF?
so using an app like Octopus Compare, or the Octopus website, you can plan your charging that evening or the following day.
Or you can use Octopus Go and it'll do it for you. Ok so it's more expensive, but still only 1.5p a mile for the car. I'll take that.
Or you can use Octopus Go and it’ll do it for you. Ok so it’s more expensive, but still only 1.5p a mile for the car. I’ll take that.
True, but being retired means we can also take advantage of cheaper rates during the day for washer, tumble dryer, charging up the ebike etc. We're not obsessive about it, so the dishwasher often goes on during the evening if it needs to but the bills have been surprisingly low since moving to Agile Octopus.
What are your total bills if you don't mind me asking?
@molgrips it varies by month. Obviously lots of solar and wind around over the last few months so costs have come down nicely e.g. last bill was £71.26 for 292 kWh.
The Model Y is cheaper because it is..... They are trying to shift a lot , and if you buy direct from Tesla the interest rate is ridiculously low for the first 3 years.
I have no answer to those who've suffered a kaput fast charger. My neighbour had his landrover on the back of a recovery truck a few weeks ago as his ICE engine had died. Again. Some you win, some you lose.
I have no answer to those who’ve suffered a kaput fast charger.
Mine is having the domestic plug charger in the car and a variety of apps on the phone. Even if there are no public chargers there are EV owners who sign up to an app and let other EV owners charge for a modest sum. There's always somewhere to charge rather than end up on the back of a breakdown truck, it might not be fast though.
@Edukator didn't you have an older Zoe? Are they worth considering for a cheap second car? I don't know much about how the batteries hold up.
I wouldn't buy one of the original Zoé 23kWh fast charge Continental motor Zoes. The 22kWh charge models held up better but I wouldn't buy one now unless the battery has been replaced with the 41kWh battery (in France at least a swap at a reasonable price was offered). Even the most recent 23kWh batteries will be around 10% down on capacity - short commutes only and expensive to own if it's still on a battery lease scheme.
The first of the Zoe 41 kWh are about six years old now and holding up very well. At an anecdotal level they lose very little capacity and are reliable, especially the most basic models. If you can find one with outright purchase and some guarantee left cheap enough then why not.
IMO the bargains are the three-year-old Zoe 50s that are on the second-hand market at present. In the UK they go for about £14000 with 5 years of battery guarantee left and maybe some of the optioanl 5 year guarantee too. In terms of cost of ownership going forward and price/mile that's the model I'd buy if I didn't already own one. 😉