It's going to be a ballache; my colleague visits most of the affected countries three or four times a year. What happens to people coming from Dubai who travel with cabin baggage only and want to bring their laptop? How many laptops will be stolen from passengers' cases in transit?
What happens to people coming from Dubai who travel with cabin baggage only and want to bring their laptop? How many laptops will be stolen from passengers' cases in transit?
1) They will either follow the rules or not travel.
2) Hopefully loads, then the airlines will kick up a fuss and get it cancelled.
I wouldn't travel without encrypting the hard disk (with something like Checkpoint) and leaving the thing fully switched off prior to checking in.
What happens to people coming from Dubai who travel with cabin baggage only and want to bring their laptop?
They'll get put in the hold.
How many laptops will be stolen from passengers' cases in transit?
How many bags get robbed at the moment? Are all Middle eastern baggage handlers thieves? I'd missed that somewhere...
This is just the beginning. I heard that as from tomorrow they're not taking any risks at all, and they're going to confiscate everyone's laptop, pile them all up on an area of tarmac by the side of the runway, then detonate them all in a controlled explosion
Ban only related to certain size laptops and devices - small, thin tablets and smart phones are excluded, so get yourself some stronger glasses...
How many bags get robbed at the moment? Are all Middle eastern baggage handlers thieves? I'd missed that somewhere...
Doesn't have to be the middle east end of the journey!
https://www.rt.com/usa/tsa-stealing-from-travelers-358/
pile them all up on an area of tarmac by the side of the runway, then detonate them all in a controlled explosion
That's no worse than your typical french baggage handlers.
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Are all [s]Middle eastern [/s]baggage handlers thieves? [s]I'd missed that somewhere...[/s] Yes they probably are given the response on the gate when I was asked to put my cabin bag in the hold. "Will you cover the equipment if it goes missing between unloading and deliver to reclaim at Stansted?"
"You had better carry the electronics on with you and the empty bag can go in the hold"
It's not a race thing it's a baggage handler thing.
Laptops are over-rated.
Can't go wrong with a good old fashioned notebook.
Although a finely sharpened HB pencil may not make it through security either.
I often put my laptop in the hold. Long haul at weekends, for example. I'd rather have a drink and watch a film than work, so remove any temptation!
Never had anything stolen from my baggage in years of regular flying globally.
[quote=globalti ]It's going to be a ballache; my colleague visits most of the affected countries three or four times a year. What happens to people coming from Dubai who travel with cabin baggage only and want to bring their laptop? How many laptops will be stolen from passengers' cases in transit?
I'm guessing the risk of serious injury or death to an aircraft full of people outweighs the annoyance of a few overpaid salesmen on expenses-paid jollies?
Flashy on his way to the international paperclip convention in Syria earlier this week, with ne'er a laptop in sight....
Never had anything stolen from my baggage in years of regular flying globally.
I have, flying from Hurghada to Cairo.
Never on an international flight though.
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Don't some airlines (I'm pretty sure Singapore did when I flew with them last year) have rules in place that mean laptops must go in the cabin, due to the fire risk from the lithium batteries?
Or did I just misread the signs!
Don't some airlines (I'm pretty sure Singapore did when I flew with them last year) have rules in place that mean laptops must go in the cabin, due to the fire risk from the lithium batteries?
I thought that too
Ban only related to certain size laptops and devices - small, thin tablets and smart phones are excluded
When you look at the published dimensions they seem to be set to be just a few mm smaller than a mini-iPad, so in reality all tablets from mini-iPad and larger will have to go in the hold. I doubt any laptops come in smaller than a mini-iPad.
Yes, will be a ballache.
Only spare batteries, certainly the policy on Cathay.
I wouldn't travel without encrypting the hard disk (with something like Checkpoint) and leaving the thing fully switched off prior to checking in.
Quite. Because, as everyone knows, thieves will always check that the hard drive isn't encrypted before making off with it, and will always give it back if is.
As an airline pilot I've long considered laptops to be a security hazard for reasons I don't want to specify here. I think it's great this is finally happening. They should be banned from holds too, however.
It will cause hassle positioning between flights as I'll now have to put a bag in the hold for my iPad (needed for all my flying duties) I'm a carry-on guy normally.
I guess sales of iPod touches will go up again-they're scaled down iPads basically.
I travel with my work laptop.
It can go in the hold if it wants.
So long as they have no issues with me keeping my HDD in my bag.
Very little lives on my works laptop as they are so damn unreliable haha
Always thought it was a bit odd that they allow large electronic devices with huge opaque "batteries". Especially since actual legitimate batteries seem to pose a potential hazard.
But I'm a bit confused how putting it in the hold has a significant impact on the security risk? Presumably it goes through additional checks?
putting it in the hold means it cannot be activated by someone. also a device the size of a laptop or laptop battery is likely to do far less damage when surrounded by dense baggage and not harming any passengers. Of course we don't know the exact nature of the threat (or maybe we do but i've not read anything specific) so I can only guess that potentially a bomb the size of the battery can be substituted for the battery.
The safety of laptop batteries has clearly been proved given the number of laptops that have been flown around over the past 20 years or so with no problems.
putting it in the hold means it cannot be activated by someone.
Wireless comms? Timers? Bespoke electronics hidden in the same place as they hide the payload?
The safety of laptop batteries has clearly been proved given the number of laptops that have been flown around over the past 20 years
Mmmm... 20 years ago the batteries were Ni-Cd or Ni-MH and had a much much lower energy density.
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These days the high energy density of a modern Lithium based battery is a lot high. Here's an informative video showing an 8,000mAh battery being hit by a crazy Russian dude with a stick:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/21/trump-wont-allow-you-to-use-ipads-or-laptops-on-certain-airlines-heres-the-underlying-story/ is a very interesting alternative take, and to be honest more believable.
Well Lithium batteries are considered safe enough to be used extensively throughout the latest gen aircraft systems. In fact the 787 was grounded early on after a few overheated and caught fire, but that has been fixed now and thousands of Lithium batteries are happily flying around right now within aircraft.
It seems a bit of a crap measure though to protect against the threat of a bomb hidden in a laptop. If you were really serious you'd take a flight from the ME to, say Singapore, with the laptop in the hold. Then retrieve your laptop in Singapore and take a flight from Singapore to wherever and carry out your attack then.
[s][/s] If you were really serious you'd take a flight from the ME to, say Singapore, with the laptop in the hold. Then retrieve your laptop in Singapore and take a flight from Singapore to wherever and carry out your attack then.
SIN has excellent controls throughout, then at gate security and holding pens before boarding. Would be a very foolish fool who tried that avenue!
On the surface Singapore and Abu Dhabi run the same method of screen into the terminal then screen into the holding gate. It's not that common for me but I do use my laptop on long haul transits. It also means making sure its well packed in the hold bag and losing some weight allowance.
Don't some airlines (I'm pretty sure Singapore did when I flew with them last year) have rules in place that mean laptops must go in the cabin, due to the fire risk from the lithium batteries?
I regularly travel with li-ion batteries for battery powered portable flash (elinchrom rangers not little flash guns) and have all the paperwork, airworthiness certificate, taped up terminals, fuse removed etc and a couple of times been asked to put them in the hold and flatly refused at that contravenes AIATA rules. The desk staff usually change their mind when i tell them.
What I don't understand is how come stuff can go missing by light fingered baggage handlers when this means they can probably bring stuff in (i.e. A bomb)? Surely they are security checked on entering and leaving work?
Theres also the question of an insurance pay out if your lap top goes missing in the hold luggage, most insurance companies want pay out according to radio 4 today and assosiation of british insurers.
What I don't understand is how come stuff can go missing by light fingered baggage handlers when this means they can probably bring stuff in (i.e. A bomb)? Surely they are security checked on entering and leaving work?
Why do you assume the out check is the same as the in check? As you say check for dangeroythings going in, what are you checking for on the way out.
Why do you assume the out check is the same as the in check? As you say check for dangeroythings going in, what are you checking for on the way out.
Stolen goods
Stolen laptops, specifically. lol!
Too soon?
So why do you assume that airports care about stolen goods? Regulatory security doesn't apply so why do it.
As an airline pilot I've long considered laptops to be a security hazard for reasons I don't want to specify here. I think it's great this is finally happening. They should be banned from holds too, however.
It will cause hassle positioning between flights as I'll now have to put a bag in the hold for my iPad (needed for all my flying duties) I'm a carry-on guy normally.
I guess sales of iPod touches will go up again-they're scaled down iPads basically.
If this has something to do with systems security, then Boeing and Airbus should be fixing that - not encouraging the banning of laptops on flights.
Besides, you can run all sorts of code and physical links from a phone anyway.
Are the holds on planes bombproof or something?
Surely if a bomb goes off during the flight, you're screwed either way?
The theory is that if you have it with you it can be carefully placed, say right up against the fuselage so it can be very small (about the size of a large tablet or laptop. In the hold it could be surrounded by a tonne of luggage so a small device will do nothingAre the holds on planes bombproof or something?Surely if a bomb goes off during the flight, you're screwed either way?
That's an interesting theory, but with modern technology, a bomb the size of a laptop could have a significant blast~ then of course there's ample possibility that the bag with the laptop in could be against the fuselage in the hold.
Before todays tragic incidents, the BBC news bulletins were mentioning that the Shadow Justice secretary, Richard Burgon, had made a similar point.
At one point they were asking you to turn it on to prove it was a real device and not a bomb. They can't do that if it's in the hold, can they?
The real reason for this appears to be nothing to do with terrorism but an attempt to force business folk to stop using middle eastern airlines.
It may not be about security. Three of the airlines that have been targeted for these measures — Emirates, Etihad Airways and Qatar Airways — have long been accused by their U.S. competitors of receiving massive effective subsidies from their governments. These airlines have been quietly worried for months that President Trump was going to retaliate. This may be the retaliation.These three airlines, as well as the other airlines targeted in the order, are likely to lose a major amount of business from their most lucrative customers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/21/trump-wont-allow-you-to-use-ipads-or-laptops-on-certain-airlines-heres-the-underlying-story/?utm_term=.45a689ed974e
The irony being, I suppose, that I could buy a replacement laptop on each journey with the money I save using any of the UAE airlines compared to BA, or any of the large American carriers.
I suppose the solution I would go with would be to take a secure OS only laptop in the hold, and an operating encrypted drive in carry on. If the laptop is lost then no data is lost with it.
Still wouldn't offer an option to those who work during the flight though.
