Junkyard, we can all play your silly game of denial, here, watch this:
Children as young as 11 were targeted by [b]mainly[/b] Asian staff
Yes, I would suggest that the distinction lies between immigrants and 2nd generation Britons of Asian descent.
I am sure there were claims but that does not mean it is true-
Claims from within the force. Denied by senior officers who are trying to avert a PR disaster.
So that is suppressed then
See previous answer. 🙄
Did you notice that 50 out of 54 were white
Yep, I make that 8% that weren't white. A figure that I'm quite convinced is skewed due to the Police/CPS reluctance to pursue cases against Asian gangs for fear of being branded racist.
Easy, isn't it. 🙄
and that racial trends
Oh holy Jesus, Mary and Joseph. 😯 My handwringometer just had smoke coming out the back of it.
My handwringometer just had smoke coming out the back of it.
Why? Is it wrong to acknowledge that Asian communities have a tendency towards following Islam? Is it wrong to acknowledge that they prefer cricket to darts?
Looks like its time for Oolong to make an appearence
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Group hug everyone?
You can say the Police were at fault, but certainly since the Macpherson report which Grum mentions, Police are terrified of being branded racist. That isn't the fault of the Police
You make it sound as if the Macpherson report was wrong and that institutional racism in the police has never existed, it has, and that is the fault of the police.
Getting back to your point, whilst falsely accusing someone of racism or bigotry is clearly unacceptable, it is not a problem comparable with actual racism or bigotry and the hate crimes associated with these attitudes, and for you to claim that it is, as you have, is utterly absurd.
Why? Is it wrong to acknowledge that Asian communities have a tendency towards following Islam? Is it wrong to acknowledge that they prefer cricket to darts?
"Why" my big fat hairy arse. It's like that phrase was thrown in to send the handwringometers off the dials. Not that [i]you'd[/i] ever do something like that shibboleth.
Getting back to your point, whilst falsely accusing someone of racism or bigotry is clearly unacceptable, it is not a problem comparable with actual racism or bigotry and the hate crimes associated with these attitudes, and for you to claim that it does, as you have, is utterly absurd.
I suppose it depends on your own values and perception of "what is a fricking problem", Ernest.
Personally, I'd say 2 murders and hundreds of young girls brutalised, abused, assaulted and sold on for sex is pretty problematic.
In fact, I'm struggling to think of anything on the other side of the coin that happens on a regular basis in this country that could be considered worse.
So no, it's not utterly absurd at all - your stance looks far more absurd to me.
Let no-one tell you that all groups cannot be prejudicedNo one has said this - it is not a revelation to anyone that anyone can be racist and it is not dependent on skin colour religion or race
JY, Molgrips had said how he couldn't imagine a prejudiced attitude at a school with a majority of pupils from a non-white European cultural background. I challenged that point...
"Why" my big fat hairy arse.
Don't you dare point that big fat hairy arse at me Darcy! 😉
Personally, I'd say 2 murders and hundreds of young girls brutalised, abused, assaulted and sold on for sex is pretty problematic.
You are getting back to your point that the police, according to you, in one particular case didn't do their job properly. That doesn't prove that false allegations of racism are as much of a problem as actual racism, as you absurdly claim. It just proves that the police, allegedly, sometimes don't do their job properly.
You are getting back to your point that the police, according to you, in one particular case didn't do their job properly. That doesn't prove that false allegations of racism are as much of a problem as actual racism, as you absurdly claim. It just proves that the police, allegedly, sometimes don't do their job properly.
Not the sharpest tooth on the sprocket, are you Ern. The Police DID do their job properly, they even compiled a huge, damning report about the abuse. But, for fear of being branded racist, it seems that this report didn't see the light of day.
One has to point the finger of blame at the left-wing do-gooders that have created an atmosphere where the writers of this report were fearful of making it public! (That would be people like you...)
Not the sharpest tooth on the sprocket, are you Ern.
Not at all, very average in fact. But I'm not stupid enough to think that the problem of false allegations of racism and bigotry is as serious as racism and bigotry itself.
One has to point the finger of blame at the left-wing do-gooders that have created an atmosphere where the writers of this report were fearful of making it public!
or you could blame the weak and spineless coppers, who when holding a document full of evidence, valued swerving some flack over helping young girls escape abuse..
nice morality you have there shibhead.. 😀
Has anyone blamed Thatcher yet?
Not at all, very average in fact. But I'm not stupid enough to think that the problem of false allegations of racism and bigotry is as serious as racism and bigotry itself.
I'm finding it very difficult to give your self-proclaimed average intellect the benefit of the doubt. If fear of accusations of racism undermines the criminal justice system allowing certain sectors of society to commit the most appalling crimes unchecked, then it's a MASSIVE problem.
Can you show me examples of actual racism that are worse? Thankfully, racist murders are actually so rare that the names of victims are often household names, like Stephen Lawrence for example.
Unlike the names of Charlene Downes and Paige Chivers.
I'm willing to do it if no-one else will binners
It's all Thatchers fault.
Ernie, a gang of predatory Asian paedophiles had been targeting young white girls in Blackpool for years. Whenever the Police became involved, these people played the race card and accused them of discriminating against them on the basis that they were institutionally racist.
Police forces lacking in courage in addressing investigations is a separate issue. My old man was still in the police when the "institutionally racist" thing became a widespread tag for the police. His orders to the division he commanded was to not be scared of being called racist unless they were actually picking on people for the colour of their skin. The orders from headquarters were a little less clear.
I also went to a 99% white school. There was a chinese family, a sri lankan family and an african family in the town and all had two kids who went to our school. Frankly, there was surprisingly (for a 70s and 80s northern city) little racism looking back; I just don't think it entered into anyone's minds to treat any of them any other way. It's a town next to a major port city so foreigners are commonplace.
Not at all, very average in fact. But I'm not stupid enough to think that the problem of false allegations of racism and bigotry is as serious as racism and bigotry itself.POSTED 1 MINUTE AGO # REPORT-POST
Unless it totally blights your career, life, prospects etc. ........rolls eyes for a bit !
The numbers of immigrants would hint at an answer. Anecdotally, the UK seems to have a good rep overseas.
Anecdotally, one of the main stated appeals drawing immigrants to the UK is language. Just from folk I've worked, in no way a large scale in depth study.
Unless it totally blights your career, life, prospects etc. ........rolls eyes for a bit !
Oh I see, he didn't mean a problem for society as a whole, but in certain individual cases.
He should of made that clear, given the ample opportunities he had.
*rolls eyes*
Easy, isn't it
of course it is easy to say things you dont mean that dont make sense . well easy for you apparently, so easy you seem to not even notice it.
Anecdotally, one of the main stated appeals drawing immigrants to the UK is language
And pies 🙂
Thankfully, racist murders are actually so rare that the names of victims are often household names, like Stephen Lawrence for example.
So can anyone name the two seperate victims from Pollokshields without searching on Google?
In fact anyone ever heard of Pollokshields?
Some people try [i]really[/i] hard to find reasons to hate people don't they? Selective interpretation of news and reports. Selective blindness to the problems of their "own" kind. And also blindness to how obvious their own prejudices are.
It's also such a shame when people (white/black/brown/green) need to define themselves by differences from others. They must feel really insecure about who [i]they[/i] actually are.
Oh I see, he didn't mean a problem for society as a whole, but in certain individual cases.He should of made that clear, given the ample opportunities he had.
I didn't make the distinction Ern. There isn't one. I think you're foundering a little there, have you reached the limit of your intellect? If you want a distinction, racism on a "society level" only affects a small minority of the population, thereby one could argue that it's not as big a problem as the Guardianistas like to suggest.
If you weren't so hamstrung by cerebral mediocrity, perhaps you'd be able to point me in the direct of examples that regularly occur in the UK where racism or bigotry causes equally horrendous problems...
I think you're foundering a little there, have you reached the limit of your intellect?If you weren't so hamstrung by cerebral mediocrity.......
Are you still banging on about your huge intellect over mine ?!.....that's hilarious 😀
But yeah, you must be right.....'cause you're so clever !
binners
Raise you
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But yeah, you must be right.....'cause you're so clever !
I'm waiting for you to prove me wrong Ernest. That's how these things work: I make a point, you, having a differing opinion, try to debunk my assertions and offer evidence to prove YOUR point.
You managed the first bit, but you really seem to be struggling with the second. Come on, speak up old chap...
nick - I'm seriously impressed!
Judging by that dogs stance, he's multi-tasking. 😆
I'm not interested in proving you wrong to your satisfaction Shibboleth.
False allegations of racism and bigotry are a serious issue, but to pretend that it's as serious as actual racism and bigotry, is, quite frankly, absurd.
And it would be laughable if it wasn't such an insult to the victims of hate crimes and those who live in fear of them.
That's about it mate, I don't want, or need, to elaborate. You are obviously not going to agree with me - apparently it's because I'm of average intelligence and you're so much cleverer than me, OK, let's leave at that shall we ?
I knew you were foundering... 🙄
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Poor dog....
Your understanding of the word was so well established that you felt the need to google its meaning!
Ha! Shows how much you know then, doesn't it. I had no need of Google, and, contrary to what you seem to think, only use Google when I need details about something I'm rather hazy about. I actually copied that from the dictionary on my iPad for the purposes of showing the definition as it would be in a dictionary, in order to add my own definition, a visual effect clearly lost on you.
Shibby, your lack of insight extends to not being able to recognise when something is put up to add a graphic or typographic effect.
Well I hadn't got a clue what shibboleth meant till you quoted the dictionary, Countzero, and I'll be making no effort to add it to my active vocabulary. I generally take things at face value on forums, if it seems sarcastic, I assume it's sarcasm; if it seems nasty, I assume it's nasty; if someone seems to be trying to be clever I assume they're not.
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Even if they are right?
Well, if I were pulling up people for actually being idiots, the forum would be empty. (-:
Good point Cougar ..... there's nothing wrong with being an idiot.
Thanks for your support 🙂
[i]False allegations of racism and bigotry are a serious issue, but to pretend that it's as serious as actual racism and bigotry, is, quite frankly, absurd[/i]
(My God, is this still going!)
Yes, yes Ernie, you said that at the outset and shib has tried (in vain) to explain why its not 'frankly, absurd'
Sadly, you over estimated your intelligence level at mediocre!
That dog is ubber cute, the back leg at a jaunty angle helps.
I like the way it's managing to make part of a femur and the clavicle of a small mammal hover round the top of the maple syrup bottle. A genuiney bone-a-fidey talent.
Rockape63 - Member(My God, is this still going!)
Well it hadn't for 15 hours, until you decided to revive it ....... just to complain that it was still going on !
And then to cap it all, you accuse me of being thick.......brilliant ! 😀
