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The police also seem to be able to abuse children as well
https://twitter.com/benjolly9/status/1266493857040121856?s=21
Why is Edukator linking the UK to what's happening in America?
Under the coronavirus lokdown in th UK, if you are black you are:
50% more likely to be stopped by police
50% more likely to be fined
More than 50% likely to die of the virus.
Last Wendnesday, there was the mother of all street parties where I live in Manchester, near Moss side. It started early in the afternoon and it felt like carnival had arrived. Police turned up at 8pm in cars and vans.
Do you think:
A. The police shut the party down and everyone went home quietly? Or B. The police slinked away quietly and the party went on blaring into the night until 2:30 am?
Things out there might be a little more fragile than you think.
They have a high degree of impunity for both white and blcak due to the legal framework (with a few high profile exceptions) but the dominantly white police force with its culture of looking after its own, covering up, corruption... means a cop is going to be more reticent to mistreat a member of the white cummunity. Whatever the level of mistreatent maybe. It's down to the psychology of the cops, how they see people of differing ethnicities, and what they think they can get away with. There's lots of stuff on this but not statistically quantifiable. Try a few key words and you'll find examples a plenty, start with "shooting bias".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_bias
Good god, that video. 🙁
Inkster, the same happened in Clapton last night...
I'm not disputing the shooting bias but the idea that the police have impunity to kill black people but not white people. These are not the same thing. This would imply that when police kill white people they tend to be significantly more likely to be prosecuted or disciplined in contrast to when they kill black people.
Don’t turn up to a protest with a bow & arrow and shoot someone, the only problem with this is he only got a kicking
https://twitter.com/mufaa6/status/1266900217414258696?s=21
There’s far far worse stuff I’ve viewed on Twitter that is prob not suitable to post on here, scary stuff happening over there and I can only see it escalating
Carry on disputing, you are no more capable of disproving than I am of proving. I can point to the mechanisms, covering up , turning a blind eye, lying to protect colleagues, trumped up charges which have adversly and disproportionatley affected the black community and given the lack of consequences for the officer concerned say they have benefitted from impunity.
When DNA testing became available rape prosecutions started getting overturned, 2/3 of wrongly convicted men were blacks or hispanics.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/stories/for-110-inmates-freed-by-dna-tests-true-freedom-remains-elusive
Bias, discrimination, racism and impunity
Bias in terms of accountability (the impunity theory) is not the same thing as a bias in outcome (the shooting bias). The latter is a statistical fact, the former a hypothesis for which no direct evidence has been supplied.
The latter is a statistical fact,
Nice to see you've accepted that now.
the former a hypothesis for which no direct evidence has been supplied.
All you need to do now is convince millions of black and minority Americans of that and they'll go home reassured.
My first post was acknowledging the shooting bias.
This guy is obviously white and can't be connected with the victims family.
Just wanton destruction. Theres even a vid of a well dressed Roadie/commuter type going mental smashing windows on UK tv last night. No way he can be involved either.
This guys actions can only be described if the word has use today - Evil. Destruction for the sake of it.
****...
MEANINGLESS STATISTIC ALERT
When DNA testing became available rape prosecutions started getting overturned, 2/3 of wrongly convicted men were blacks or hispanics
Wthout context that statement is meaningless, of the convicted pool of rapists if 3/4 were black it would indicate proportinally more white people were wrongly convicted, if 1/2 were black then yes it maybe suggests they are more likely to be wrongly convicted.
Rydsters point about the slavery legacy us a very important one, in the UK racism tends to be based on someone not being born here, it's the go back to your own country rubbish, as populations become normalised there is more acceptance. This doesn't apply in the States, the vast majority of people emigrated there around the same time. Racism in the States is much more linked to a belief that the colour of your skin donates your worth, much nastier and more likely to be perpetuated than our own form of racism. The only real similarities between us and the States is the progress of tolerance has been set back a decade by the idiots in power.
Anyone else had this turn up on Twitter today?
https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1266390938731020293?s=21
Wow, the silence from the audience is telling.
how are white areas even a thing?
By design rather than accident. In most places in the world, within towns and cities, neighbourhoods are 'emergent' - nobody really designs the idea into a place that it will be rich or poor, or fashionable, or high-brow, or bohemian or cool, or young, or old, and by the same measure whether a neighbourhood would be predominantly black or white. Neigbourhoods emerge- they aren't designated.
In the US creating black and white neighbourhoods happened at a town-planning level. A locale is black or white by design.
Just wanton destruction or a white extremist trying to discredit justified black protests.
The extreme right operate on the margins of left wing protests here in France with the objective of causing damage that will discredit the protester's cause.
Wthout context that statement is meaningless, of the convicted pool of rapists if 3/4 were black
That's a hell of an assumption Stumpyjon. In fact if you delve deeper you'll find what was happening was that the police were looking for a black rapist to convict for every rape whilst in reality most of the rapes were being commited by a very small number of rapists. They were very good at jailing innocent blacks on trumped up charges because their face fitted and very poor at finding the real perpetrators of the rapes - and the courts/legal sytem just went along with the cases contructed by the police on the basis mainly of prejudice.
Finish a tour of duty in Fallujah, then go and sign on as a Police officer in Ferguson. Get fired in Ferguson, go sign on as a Police officer in Florida. Get fired in Florida, go sign o...oh well, you get the picture.
Talking of Ferguson, in the year leading up to the murder of Michael Brown there was a 500% increase in fines for 'code violations' in the district where the protests erupted. A code violation fine is for things like leaving your bike leant outside your property, having mis- matched blinds, having cracks in your driveway, having a basketball hoop on your front lawn.
Income generated from those fines went on to purchase all that military equipment the Ferguson police pulled out for the TV cameras as the protests escalated.
You can't go to jail for a code violation, you can go to jail for non payment of code violation fines . I don't have figures for any increase in fines for traffic stops (up or down? Waddya' reckon?). We know however, the punishment for jaywalking.
Educator, no assumptions on my part, if you hadn't selectively quoted me, the rest of my post balanced out the point I was making that your quote had no context and I provided two illustrations of how your quote could mean two different things dependant on context. The fact you cherry picked what you wanted from my post and ignored the rest given the original out of context fact is probably not that surprising.
Kryton that just shows the difference between the two countries, in the States they're burning down their own neighbourhoods, in the UK people are peacefully protesting in the sun.
This guy is obviously white and can’t be connected with the victims family.
#1 that’s probably not a protestor. That’s an undercover police officer providing more reasons for the police to ‘retaliate’. Why the umbrella? A visible sign to other officers? Either that or he’s a right wing gun nut after a second civil war so is fanning the flames (see that Bellingcat article someone posted).
#2 That notwithstanding, I disagree with your statement. People in America are (rightly) outraged by the treatment of people of colour. You don’t have to be related by blood or be the same race to be offended by the system of oppression that’s being ushered in. I’d be on the streets if I lived in Minneapolis.
Interesting that the police in the States are now specifically targeting reporters and journalists with rubber bullets and pepper balls. One woman photographer has lost an eye after being hit in the face by a rubber bullet, her goggles fell off as she moved away from the police line and as she turned back she was hit in the eye. There is video evidence of the police pointing weapons directly at people clearly identified as press.
Obviously Angry Tinkerbell’s goon squads are making sure the media can’t report or film what they’re really up to.
The action of repressive, totalitarian government all over the world - America, China, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, Turkey, Egypt. Welcom to the new free world.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/30/media/protests-journalists-arrested-assaulted/
Watched this live last night. Could have ended badly! The guy who grabbed the gun off him was an armed security guard for Q13Fox News. I'm guessing ex-military.
#1 that’s probably not a protestor.
Have to agree. It looks like someone deliberately breaking windows so other people might be tempted to loot. Didn't look random and the guy was super calm, no running, no confrontation, no picking a fight, just calmly walked away
I’m pretty sure somewhere in some Armageddon based book there’s a sequence of events that start with a plague, followed by protesting followed by many more bad things. Watching the way the police in the US are reacting to this is frankly terrifying. Not quite ‘maintaining the peace’ is it.
As Killer Mike states, the police involved in the killing of George Floyd should all be prosecuted and sentenced. Instead the Trump makes the ‘you loot, we shoot’ quip on Twitter. It’s so far beyond ****ed up it’s almost impossible to describe.
Having visited South Africa in February, both myself and my girlfriend (Who is Mauritian) were utterly stunned by the treatment of black people. Within half an hour of being off the plane we both mentioned how uncomfortable we felt at the sight of such a massive division. The slum outside Cape Town is horrifying - 30 sqkm of slums surrounded by private estates with private guards and vineyards.
I find it truly amazing that yesterday we witnessed the launch of the rocket to the space station yet we still judge someone by the colour of their skin. There is no place for racism in any form in any country and frankly the rioting in the US is just the start.
This thread is utterly terrifying. Words fail me.
https://twitter.com/the7goonies/status/1266989439160590336?s=21
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016?s=21
And this below is why certain elements of the police force feel they have the right to do whatever they want, maga
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1266845479268212736?s=21
However like everything in life there is an opposing force for good
https://twitter.com/midmichigannow/status/1266907736735956996?s=21
Police should be prosecuted.
I find it truly amazing that yesterday we witnessed the launch of the rocket to the space station yet we still judge someone by the colour of their skin.
Bindun
This thread is utterly terrifying. Words fail me.
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When you try to arrest a black FBI Agent
https://twitter.com/channiescloud_/status/1267333317927395329?s=20
I wonder if SRAM have actually read the BLM manifesto?
Problem is, at the moment the US Plod are taking the pressure being put on them. At some point if this continues, they will push back and this will escalate horribly.
As above, a lot of people on both sides are using this as an excuse to stir up bother in the name of George Floyd when they don't give a toss about him; just their own agenda.
I was just watching the tanker driven at the crowds in Minnesota; that could have been an utter bloodbath.
If only they had some leadership who could calm the situation, not make it so much worse.
A lot of people on both sides? Heard that phrase before somewhere, Not sure if that is what you meant boomerlives.
I guess a lot of people out there are answering the question:
'What have you got to lose'.
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it still amazes me how comfortable so many people are being openly racist.
I have a friend in Minnesota and some of the footage and stuff going on is crazy
Problem is, at the moment the US Plod are taking the pressure being put on them. At some point if this continues, they will push back and this will escalate horribly.
Maybe my news sources are too liberal but the impression I've got is that the police have pushed back with extreme prejudice and heavy handedness ??!!
...and fair play to SRAM. What have I missed about the BLM manifesto? Genuine question as I just googled the policy agenda and it seems perfectly reasonable
As above, a lot of people on both sides are using this as an excuse to stir up bother in the name of George Floyd when they don’t give a toss about him; just their own agenda.
It's a complex situation, but not one you can simply boil down to troublemakers with their own agenda. I think what we're seeing is an uprising of the lower classes who have been abandoned, exploited and abused by a rich (mostly) white minority who care only about themselves. Their 'agenda' is living in a society with some basic human decency where people aren't left to rot and aren't treated as sub-human because they're black or poor. This is tipping over the edge from a protest against police violence to a revolution.
National Guard Officer shows everyone how it can be done. Don't hide behind a gun in a helmet, get in there.
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Struggled to imbed the vid, but well played to that man. The more of that goes on the quicker this will calm
A couple of really troubling videos (taken from BBC News)
https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225
https://twitter.com/rob_bennett/status/1266894785375240193
Well this isn't at all sinister..
https://twitter.com/villanellesboot/status/1267414576846561280?s=20
As long as trump stays in office I fail to see how this situation can be resolved
https://twitter.com/kamchatka_es/status/1267065214597545984?s=21
boomerlives
SubscriberNational Guard Officer shows everyone how it can be done. Don’t hide behind a gun in a helmet, get in there.
I saw a post on another forum pointing out that the national guard have stricter rules of engagement and more accountability than the police do in many states.
America is a failed state. Has been for many, many years. All of the criticisms that came from the 60s and 70s counterculture movement are still valid today, and then some.
The whole country needs to burn to the ground and rebuild itself. The problem is, who takes its place? China? Russia? the EU?
As long as trump stays in office I fail to see how this situation can be resolved
True, but Trump leaving office is no guarantee that it will be fixed either 🙁