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it’s scary isnt it.
Don’t over think it would be my advice. Events like these, as tumultuous as they are do not overly affect the stock markets. I certainly think it’s nothing do with ‘racist investors’ nor making other types of investor more positive.
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It’s probably stock movements in weapons manufacturers/retailersPosted 1 minute ago
Makes sense, scared people buying more guns in anticipation of trouble. Never ceases to amaze me just how messed up the US is.
Given that there's a massive upsurge in gun sales every time there are any riots or mass shootings - so every other week - they must have reached to point now where every household owns enough firearms and ammunition to mount a successful military coup in a medium-sized country?
America is absolutely mental
What is going on here? Is it just Fox being selective with data in a desperate attempt to please their racist viewers (no shock there), or do US financial markets really gain after high profile racist incidents?
Almost certainly it's the former. Current rise is all about the opening up of the states after lockdown, would be my thinking. That's a ****ing disgusting graphic though.
Two cops were charged for pushing the old guy over, this happened when they left court
A 3.4% uptick in the S&P is roughly $750Bish - taking a market cap of $29T.
The whole of the gun trade in the US is worth no more than $20B in 2019.
STATISTA.COM Put bluntly: that gain is nothing do with any increased sales of arms.
Almost certainly it’s the former.
Fox being Fox. As much part of the problem as anyone else. Fing hateful.
Fox being Fox. As much part of the problem as anyone else. Fing hateful
You could argue Fox started the current state of affairs with Cops
The folks who supply the police with MTBs has obviously got fed up with their bikes appearing in all these vids
BikeCo, Fuji's North American distributor, has made a full statement. Available here:
— Fuji Bikes (@FujiBikes) June 5, 2020
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I kinda assumed it was people cheering that the two ****s had been charged but it’s dawning on me (I think) that that’s a bunch of other ****s showing the cops their support? Nice.
You could argue Fox started the current state of affairs with Cops
You could argue that Fox are deliberately provocative period - would be my take.
Given that there’s a massive upsurge in gun sales every time there are any riots or mass shootings – so every other week – they must have reached to point now where every household owns enough firearms and ammunition to mount a successful military coup in a medium-sized country?
It doesn't quite work like that.
The number of guns in the US is about 1:1 with the number of people in the country (or it was when I looked into this a couple of years back, it may have changed since). However, it is not an even distribution. Gun ownership by household is about 50:50 and individual gun ownership is about 1 in 3. Ergo, people who own a gun tend to own multiple guns. Amongst gun owners, only about a third only own just the one, and a third of them own five or more.
I'll bet good money that the photos we're seeing on the Internet of queues outside gun shops aren't people going "I think I'd best get me a gun," it'll be folk going "I think I'd best get me another gun."
TBH, the stock market stuff is mostly because the stock market's now insane and divorced from reality.
I have a Fuji bike, I didn't realise I'd accidentally aligned myself with the military industrial complex but phew, at least that's fixed now.
On that Fox graphic
Skynews/the usual right wing gimps showed that horse bolting and the policeman knocked out saying it was protesters pulling him off
This is what happened
TWITTER.COM I bet that f'ing hurt
Oooof!
Happened to me once on my commute home from work.
Happened to me once on my commute home from work.
Yup, the perils of commuting by horse.
The horse bolted because it was attacked by people. There is a video doing the rounds if you want to find it. Amongst other things it was hit with a (hire) bike. It takes a lot to make a police horse bolt.
It also ran over a person shortly afterwards.
The usual peaceful protests against police violence in another country.
The usual peaceful protests against police violence in another country.
No. Instigated in another country, but there’s plenty and recent news over hear of black deaths and mistreatment caused by police action in the UK. The protests are aimed at the US hence today’s March at the embassy, but actually represent systemic authoritarian racism in the police forces in both countries where - as discussed over and over in this thread - black lives are not considered as valuable as white lives by some people.
I condemn the violence but it’s pleasing to see many protesters and activists doing the same this morning, condemning the Actions of the few as a weakening of the message.
I read Jodi Picoult's Small Great Things over the last few days, fantastic book, she's an awesome writer - gave me some really interesting (to me 🙂 ) thoughts related to this whole situation. One that you're lucky enough for me to share with you starts with a question - how often do you think about race? As a white person, outside the current protests, it's pretty much never, right? I'm never penalised for it, don't have to think about it, don't have to change how I behave because of it. How often do black people think about it? The people she spoke to when researching the book told her - every. Single. Day.
Actions of the few as a weakening of the message.
Almost as if some of them might be plants.......?
What's the answer then, white people wear hair shirts for a while? Racism has different roots in this country, different history and culture. Racism is endemic, Brexit proved that, but it's also endemic in many ethnic groups in the UK, it's far from just black & white. If you really want change then Johnson, Gove, Rees Hogg all need locking up as their fundamentally racist and xenophobic Brexit policy has made the day when are people are just people at least 20 years further off.
Trouble is here every time we have people like John Boyega ranting it makes the casually racist people in this country a little more entrenched. I get the passion, I get the anger and I'm not denying the ongoingb inequalities in treatment (although being white and comfortably off im probably not allowed to say that) but social harmony isn't going to be achieved in this country by pitching one group against another, confrontation or armed struggle rarely leads to harmonious peace. We've come a long way since the 60s with highly visible racism at every turn, most people will now admit racism is wrong if directly confronted, they didn't 50 years ago. We're not going to fix stuff over night how ever appealing that is. I really feel the protests here make those attending them feel better about themselves whilst the people they want to change are looking at the protests and muttering about the same rules not applying to everyone.
The States is different, the system is so broken over there it probably does need some violence and mass protests, it's not about gradual and sustainable culture change there, it's about the shock needed to make those in power realise they need to act. Trump is a lost cause, but others on the political hierarchy who are money orientated will be bright enough to realise rioting and civil unrest will not be good for the economy long term.
Man butt-dials a self-fulfilling prophecy to Facebook Live.
I've only just watched the full video of Floyd's death, up to now just seen the neck restraint stills and that was enough
I know it's trite of me to say but it bears repeating. It's shocking
I watched this NY times analysis and commentary and would urge you to watch if you haven't already. Cold callous murder. "get up and get in the car" when he's unable to move is medieval sadism. And keeping knee on neck when he's unconscious, when he's being filmed by at least 2 passer bys and when ambulance arrives is brazen AF
Always stop at the lights.
Man butt-dials a self-fulfilling prophecy to Facebook Live.
That's where I have some family. IME any discussion about inequality with them degenerates very quickly. Years ago we seriously considered selling up and moving over. After a few visits, we changed our mind.
NEWS4JAX.COM Using horses for "crowd control" is stupid. I ride regularly and consider it unfair on the crowd, the horse and even the cop on it.
I'm unlikely ever to be in a protest with horses present but I know how to make a horse uncontrollable in one easy move and bolt with a second (might need a third).
People are afraid of getting kicked, but once you've filed a few horses sore feet you know what the limits of movement of their legs are, they find it hard to kick sideways, especially with their front legs.
Using horses for “crowd control” is stupid. I ride regularly and consider it unfair on the crowd, the horse and even the cop on it.
They are used very effectively worldwide for crowd-control. Ever been to the footy? Inappropriate to be thinking of 'tactics' to disable them IMO.
They are used very effectively worldwide for crowd-control.
Sometimes so - on yesterday's evidence, sometimes not. Any idea why they were deployed? Seen footage of them galloping through and scattering protestors just walking down the road, and I thought "that would have pissed me right off".
that would have pissed me right off
You must be very courageous. I've been on the end of an angry/charging horse and I absolutely shit myself and wanted out of there ASAP. That a big animal that can do a lot of damage and is very scary bearing down on you like that.
Stumpyjohn,
My niece and my sister in law attended two different protests yesterday, one in London and one in the Shires. I'll ask them if attending made them feel better about themselves when we next catch up.
I attended yesterdays Manchester protest myself, (kept to the fringes and didn't stay too long, social distancing and all that.) Waking up this morning I can confirm that I don't feel any better about myself than I did before I attended the protest.
You mentioned Brexit. Have a think about it from a black perspective. Brexit is a fight that ostensibly has nothing to do with them but has bought it's knee down upon their necks harder than anyone. Friends and relatives have told me that since the Brexit malarkey they have experienced open hostility and aģression the likes of which they haven't seen since the 1980's
So we are not getting better in th UK. We are going backwards.
Inappropriate to be thinking of ‘tactics’ to disable them IMO.
I thought of them, I didn't type them. You also know what I think of you policing my thoughts, so I don't need to type that either.
What do think of these sort of tactics, Jamze?
Any idea why they were deployed? Seen footage of them galloping through and scattering protestors just walking down the road, and I thought “that would have pissed me right off”.
Deployed for crowd control. Very normal, we have a stable near us and see them frequently. A gallop is over 25mph, they def wouldn't have been doing that.
An impossible situation I think, thousands out in London - last time the met seemed to have very little crowd control out and some were injured. Bigger numbers yest so was obvious a bit more control would be needed.
What do think of these sort of tactics, Jamze?
Looks OTT to me.
Inkster you clearly didnt read my post properly, first off I said Brexit and the associated populism put community harmony back 20 years as it made veiled racism acceptable again for some although the UK is still a better place than the 60s.
2nd the protests were more about the people protesting, they arent going to achieve anything, Boris is loving it as it takes the spot light off his incompetence, as I said it's just re-inforcing many gammons view of the world that people who are not like them are protesting when they shouldn't, it's just making divisions more entrenched.
Oh and Brexit is to do with everyone who lives in this country regardless of their background, to suggest it ostensibly has nothing to do with black people is mind boggling, are they not people and citizens of this country as well, with a stake in it's future, jeez talk about one dimensional politics.
Using horses for “crowd control” is stupid. I ride regularly
Is there anything your not an expert at?
Stumpy,
The least racist is still racist.
Are we not to protest in case we wind the Gammons up?
The fight was Britain versus Europe.....ostensibly.
Brexit effects everyone who lives in this country regardless of their background, though for some people these effects are more frightening.
What little sympathy I had with this "cause" evaporated after the bike/horse incident. Send in the army with tear gas and rubber bullets I say.
Is there anything your not an expert at?
If riding around some nice trails twice a week makes me an expert in your eyes I'll gladly accept the compliment. I don't think many on this forum would regard themselves as "expert" mountain bikers, I do think most of us know enough about MTBs and riding them to make constructive comment if we saw the police doing stupid things on mountain bikes putting themselves and the public in danger.
MTB:
25mph with a fit rider
Excellent brakes
Can be thrown in the shed and forgotten about when you get home wet, cold and dirty.
Horse:
40mph with an unfit rider
lousy and unpredictable brakes
Needs it's feet looking after, feeding and grooming when you get home feeling wet and cold, and you'll end up dirty even if you weren't at the end of the ride.
The use of horses as a means of force in crowd control doesn't do the image of the police any good at all.
If a horse bolts you grab the rein on one side with both hands, pull hard and keep tugging. Sit back, feet forward hard in the styrups. I've mainly ridden in France but Google "one rein stop". That cop was a passenger.
The use of horses as a means of force in crowd control doesn’t do the image of the police any good at all.
Different people have different ideas about that. It might look bad to you, I’ve seen plenty of forum (not this one) commentary, and ****ter, that viewed it as a good thing.
You must be very courageous. I’ve been on the end of an angry/charging horse and I absolutely shit myself and wanted out of there ASAP. That a big animal that can do a lot of damage and is very scary bearing down on you like that.
Ha! I make no claims about my own bravery, as much as I'd like to think otherwise, I'm pretty sure I'd be scarpering as quick as my little legs would carry me. It was more an observation that, unless there was a clear requirement for horses to control the crowd, galloping (or trotting or skipping, or whatever) line abreast through a crowd of people peaceably protesting an event unavoidably tied to police brutality could be perceived as antagonistic, if we're looking for a reason why people were throwing things at them and sounding pissed off.
What little sympathy I had with this “cause” evaporated after the bike/horse incident. Send in the army with tear gas and rubber bullets I say.
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