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This is why social mobility campaigners piss me off, they use statistics to blame everyone else for why the least well off do not educate themselves and move up and out.
While I understand the 5plus8 is doing the internet equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and going la-la-la-la because I don't play by his rules for the World wide web maybe someone else can print out to him what an absolute Boris he sounds like. Educate themselves? Pull themselves out of the gutter? What century are you in? Or maybe what private school ivory tower?.
Maybe those stats they quote are to point why the inequality is happening and how to fix it, rather than blaming everyone else. Like getting rid of exclusive private schools.
From your posts I'd venture a guess that you've never actually met anyone with the attitude you describe, and if you have, perhaps they adopted the attitude because they've run into one too many self righteous knobs who fail to realise just how lucky they've been, how much they received through no work if their own, while telling those with the least to go out and get do it themselves.
As I recall I haven’t insulted anyone directly or indirectly in this topic
Wail about that bollocks, love
cormolpolly selective quoting, more ignoring. Read the rest of my post, try not to call people knobs and the adults will talk to you.
Also AA and OOB & Squirrelking, I like all your posts, you are making good points that need exploring. However externally, watching you to converse, AA, I worry that you might be like this in the classroom, when someone gets it wrong I would hope you would encourage them into the light, right now you are passing out Welsh Knot's like sweets. I imagine you are the consomethinge professional, so perhaps it is pent up classroom frustration, you can't say it there but you can here? I've got used to it, find it endearing almost, but it does sometimes get in the way..
And OOB & SK, AA is this all the time on the rugby thread too. Ignore the barbs, he's worth listening to, thinking about.
My last point on this thread because I frustrated by the total refusal to listen to any viewpoint other than that of entrenching privilege by some. Evience and arguement is ignored.
I have made it clear several times I would not ban private schools. I want them to pay their way and not be subsidised massively by the state. Private schools clearly are another transfer of money from poor to rich.
We are one of the most unequal and class ridden societies in europe. This damages everyone. Private schools are part of the mechanism of perpetuating privilege.
I want them to pay their way and not be subsidised massively by the state. Private schools clearly are another transfer of money from poor to rich.
Other people have made the point, and demonstrated that there would be a net loss to the exchequer if they closed. You are ignoring it because it pisses on your argument.
Evience and arguement is ignored.
You don't say...
You don’t say…
I know right, its like a ****ing one way valve.
Ignore the barbs, he’s worth listening to, thinking about.
Group hug?
I worry that you might be like this in the classroom, when someone gets it wrong I would hope you would encourage them into the light
Kids are kids they are supposed to be idiots its there job. I struggle with adults who are idiots, I like to say what I think and not split hairs.
Kids are kids they are supposed to be idiots its there job. I struggle with adults who are idiots, I like to say what I think and not split hairs.
Fair point, like I said, doesn't bother me, but it does cause you bother when you could be getting your point across. I am only speaking from my own experience of being an intolerant bastard.
I like to imagine we are all in cosy lounge with a few beers and its just a robust conversation, you can call em a berk and buy me a pint. In text everything seems so threatening.
I'm not going to jump on the spelling, its a mistake I make all the time..
its there job. I struggle with adults who are idiots
Teh ironing. 😉
Luckily we preserved it for posterity CFH. 🙂
Other people have made the point, and demonstrated that there would be a net loss to the exchequer if they closed. You are ignoring it because it pisses on your argument.
As people have said time after time, in the unlikely event of the schools being banned it wouldnt be done in isolation, they desire of so many on here to simplify a complex issue ao they can bash the left is very......TrumpyBoris
As people have said time after time, in the unlikely event of the schools being banned it wouldnt be done in isolation
and the point I have made time and time again is that if you believe this, you trust any govt to not just make a nice vote winning gesture and not back it up, then you are specially deluded. I'd back it all the way if they escrowed 15k a year per pupil with a politically independent oversight committee..
Teh ironing
Poor spelling 2/10 please try harder!!!
If you believe this, you trust any govt to not just make a nice vote winning gesture and not back it up, then you are specially deluded. I’d back it all the way if they escrowed 15k a year per pupil with a politically independent oversight committee..
Great so you agree I'm right, thanks, you got there in the end!!!
I agree you are deluded.
And a bit slow on the uptake. I made a similar statement pages ago and you have only just appreciated it now.
Unfortunately it’s very hard to use their overall approach as a model since so much of it relies on “have a massive sustainable income from property you’ve owned for half a millenia”, but still. Find a painting worth £10 million quid in the attic? Get it sold quick, don’t waste a penny on insurance and galleries, we’re a bloody school.
The Arnold Foundation is all new money raised and does not rely on the original endowment, which actually is used to fund places for local children. The school puts effort in but no significant money. That said, it did invest a small amount in reconnecting, and generally being more proactive, with its alumni. That has no doubt enabled them to raise such significant new funding.
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The Arnold Foundation is all new money raised and does not rely on the original endowment, which actually is used to fund places for local children
Yes I know, like I say we nicked it. But the Arnold foundation is also pretty new, so obviously I wasn't referring to that.
(seriously, you know about the Sheriff endowment and its ongoing impact, and it couldn't possibly be clearer that I was referring to that not to the Arnold foundation. So were you just looking for something to disagree with?)
Anyone seeking inspiration from their example can emulate the arnold foundation, and their centuries of pragmatic, sustainable management of property and funds. We might even manage to get some of their ethical/moral stance to stick in the modern culture of beancounters and marketeers. But we can't just magic up a load of million pound properties in W1. The real miracle is that in all that time, no bloody idiot sold the lot for a quick buck- I know it's come close a couple of times.
cormolpolly selective quoting, more ignoring. Read the rest of my post,
I selected the parts that I took issue with. The rest was irrelevant. It didn't change the context of what you said, not did I quote something you didn't say. If you expressed yourself poorly by all means restate and we can go from there.
I suspect that you accidentally said exactly what you think, without realising what you were saying
Maybe address the content of what you said, instead of who is disagreeing with you.
try not to call people knobs and the adults will talk to you.
I agree you are deluded.
And a bit slow on the uptake
So knobs = bad but deluded and slow on the uptake = good?
Bit of pot, kettle, black going on there, no?
I actually never said you were a self righteous knob, if you identified with that, maybe that's your subconscious with niggling doubts. Whereas you directly targeting someone with a personal insult. If you are going to hold yourself up as the adult in the room, maybe you'd do better to model adult behaviour?
I am aware of the original endowment but in many ways there is nothing exceptional about what the school is or was doing with it compared to many other schools with similarly large endowments, whereas the Arnold Foundation, and its success, has really changed the way alot of Boarding Schools look at things. BTW the Chairman of the Governors when the Arnold Foundation was set up was a beancounter.