for a disgusting woman, quite apt.bearnecessities - Member
What a disgusting thread.
Might you this is fairly mild compared to elsewhere in interwebland.
It would be ironic if she died under NHS care.
"Help, I think I'm having a stroke! I need help now!"
"Sorry Madam, but there's a waiting list to be seen - public service spending cuts have hit every ward in this hospital"
I'll have to ask my working class Scottish parents why they voted for her
A very good idea - report back won't you ? Then perhaps we'll understand why the Scottish people became so determined never to make that mistake again.
Before Thatcher the Tories had a significant and extremely solid base in Scotland. Throughout Thatcher's Premiership that base slowly dissolved until it disappeared altogether.
Nowhere in the UK have the Tories suffered more as the result of Thatcher's legacy than in Scotland.
YAY! Made my day at work so much better. Party time tonight.
Sad day I reckon, some of what she did was spot on, some of it was a disaster. Her total disregard for the manufacturing industry was very very poor and wrong. What she did to union power in the industrial sector was long over due, not the miners though. They did that themselves due to poor leadership and planning. I am only speaking from personal experience mind, it was a difficult and destructive period on many levels and whatever your politics/prejudice.
Am amazed this is still going.
Before Thatcher the Tories had a significant and extremely solid base in Scotland. Throughout Thatcher's Premiership that base slowly dissolved until it disappeared altogether.
No since the early 60's the Labour Party has been the dominant party in Scotland.
Thatcher did this did she?
😆
That was quite impressive for a leader of the opposition.
Rubbish went uncollected and miners strikes occurred under her leadership too - but in a possibly unprecedented move on a Fatcha thread I am going to apologise and correct myself by saying that although there was uncollected rubbish and miners strikes under Thatcher, it was NOT TRUE that there were fuel-related blackouts.
bearnecessities - Member
What a disgusting thread.
I know, I can't believe anyone is standing up for her!
I can't really revel in another person's death
Thatcher is undoubtedly one of the most influential politicians since WWII
She moved the UK from a faltering manufacturing economy to a booming service led one but in doing so she pursued economic policies that turned large parts of the UK into economic wastelands, the results of which are still being felt today.
Still I wish more of today's politicians had her conviction even if I totally disagree with the outcome of them.
So RIP I guess.
If CMD and Gideon feel like committing ritual suicide to honour the passing of their idealogical queen then that would be a bonus
"This woman is headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated" ICI personnel dept on rejecting Margaret Roberts for a job in 1948well, she started as she meant to go on.
Bear in mind this was at a time when for a woman to have an opinion was sacrilege.
reckon the modz have gone out for a long lunch* giving you all time to get it all off your chests then they'll clamp down and the banhammer will be swung for any further excesses.Am amazed this is still going.
*i won't speculate on the liquidity of their lunch.
she was no lady, wrecked many peoples life's.
No since the early 60's the Labour Party has been the dominant party in Scotland.
🙄 Yes hora.
I'll repeat what I said : "Before Thatcher the Tories had a significant and extremely solid base in Scotland".
Saying they had a significant and extremely solid base isn't the same as saying they were the dominant party in Scotland.
Kinda like the tory party in the UK today 🙂Saying they had a significant and extremely solid base isn't the same as saying they were the dominant party in Scotland.
Meh has anything that bad actually been said on this thread? Tame compared to how I imagined it would turn out. Pop over to stw:argue on Facebook for a less moderate view.
The election of Margaret Thatcher in the 1979 general election revived the Party's support and returned more MPs, but this was squandered in the two subsequent elections of 1983 and 1987. These elections witnessed the rise of the SDP-Liberal Alliance, which ate into traditional Unionist Party support, along with increased support for Labour and SNP in 1987.
At the 1987 General Election, the Conservatives had their number of Scottish seats lowered from 21 to 10, their worst performance since before World War I. They lost the seats of Aberdeen South, Angus East, Argyll and Bute, Banff and Buchan, Cunninghame North, Edinburgh Central, Edinburgh South, Fife North East, Moray, Renfrew West and Inverclyde and Strathkelvin and Bearsden.
This anti-Conservative position—reminiscent of the pre-1886 electoral position—has been attributed to Margaret Thatcher's perceived advocacy of American monetarist policies that were leading to the closure of traditional Scottish industries. This was at odds with the past Scottish Unionist position of "service to others and to the community" and was graphically illustrated by the cool reception she received at the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland when she made her "Sermon on the Mound".
By then advocating the introduction of the poll tax a year early in Scotland (where they had minority support) they further exacerbated the image of being anti-Scottish. Ironically the Scottish Conservatives had been amongst the fiercest advocates of introducing the poll tax to replace the system of local government rates.
The replacement of Margaret Thatcher with John Major did see a very small increase in their vote in the 1992 election when they campaigned on a "Save the Union" ticket against a resurgent SNP and took back the Aberdeen South seat. However, the marginality of the increase—the SNP's vote increased substantially but success was limited by First Past The Post—combined with Conservative Party divisions, Black Wednesday, the rise of New Labour, the increased willingness of the electorate to resort to tactical voting and the Conservatives' uncompromising opposition to any form of devolved legislative assembly for Scotland contrived to see the Conservative Party wiped out at the 1997 election.
Some facts for Hora to ignore
This woman is headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated
Has anybody checked if TJ is still alive?
Apparently americans are getting confused on twitter as they think cher is dead 😀
#thatcherisdead
Pop over to stw:argue on Facebook for a [s]less moderate[/s] quite predictable and rather boring view which you'd better not disagree with.
So what did she actually do?
😆 how funny would it be if TJ was actually Maggie's site login!
Pop over to stw:argue on Facebook for a less moderate view.
Yes, seen that. Thought he was being very restrained 😉
My thoughts are with Tony Stark on this difficult day.
Too old too senile and too far in my past for me to feel what I expected to . Celebrating or taking any satisfaction from the inevitable passing of her life would make me feel churish .
Pop over to stw:argue on Facebook for a less moderate quite predictable and rather boring view which you'd better not disagree with.
Cannot believe you can resist the urge to [s]wind them up[/s]ask well reasoned questions...still we should all know our limits
By then advocating the introduction of the poll tax a year early in Scotland (where they had minority support) they further exacerbated the image of being anti-Scottish. Ironically the Scottish Conservatives had been amongst the fiercest advocates of introducing the poll tax to replace the system of local government rates.
This is probably the enduring memory of Thatcher and the Tories for most Scots around my age (36) I'm old enough to remember it clearly. Funnily enough, imposing a form of taxation on one part of the country before the rest of it hasn't been tried since.
Cannot believe you can resist the urge
It would be tempting if I didn't know from experience that the "moderator" there would abuse his powers.
I for one look forward to reading all the accusations and stories that could not be printed while she was alive for defamation or privacy reasons.
For example, what did Thatcher and Jimmy Savile talk about on the eleven New Years Eves they spent together?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9767912/Savile-declared-love-for-Margaret-Thatcher-in-handwritten-letter.html
Apparently americans are getting confused on twitter as they think cher is dead#thatcherisdead
That would be a better joke if you said Scousers instead of Americans.
I have no useful contribution to make.
*polishes dancing shoes*
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/scotland_conservatives_support.htm
For Hora
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_Kingdom_general_election_results_in_Scotland
to this
2 hours in hell, I hear she's closed down 3 furnaces already!
I hope her estate pays for the funeral rather than relying on the state.
Have we got Call me Dave's reaction yet? Another fine chance to demonstrate how completely removed he is from large swathes of the country
Hora does not need actual facts for his opinions is that not apparent
he is probably on pistonhead right now where he is one of the bright knowledgeable folk 😉
[i]Have we got Call me Dave's reaction yet?[/i]
David Cameron @David_Cameron
[i]Lady Thatcher didn’t just lead our country, she saved our country.[/i]
Yay! for Dave.
Call me Dave has said that she will be remembered as the greatest peacetime PM-****. Maybe if it was a choice between him and her then he's got a point.
he is probably on pistonhead right now where he is one of the bright knowledgeable folk
No I'm on here but there are some bloody good folk on there. Just like there are some dicks too. Same as everywhere really.
I shall play "Tramp the Dirt Down" by Elvis Costello in commemoration tonight. I have been waiting so long for this opportunity.
Dave will say all the "right" things. Demand a sate funeral[ he loves her obviously] then at the subsequent riots use it to beat up the labour party/lefties shirkers etc. Labour will be put in a very difficult position now of having to be polite whilst knowing their core support is probably quite happy about this [ certainly not upset ]
Will no doubt engage in some serious politics about this to benefit his agenda /dnegrate the left.
I suspect the riots will mainly be people not alive when she reigned
Hello
Pretty much agree with all this:
But while Thatcher-hate is understandable, it is futile. Celebrating the prospect of her death has become an admittedly macabre substitute for the failure to defeat Thatcherism. The Iron Lady will die knowing her legacy is stronger than ever. It will only be worth celebrating when Thatcherism is finally purged from this country
