Anyone else watched it.
I suppose you have to be of a certain age group to appreciate it.
As a kid I found him to be ‘creepy’, I only watched jim’ll fix it as it was on before dr who,but watching the video footage now makes me cringe.
I know it was a lifetime ago and behaviour was different then but wow.
It's on my list is it any good as an actual piece of journalism/documentary?
It's just bonkers isn't it? Not seen this new documentary but really interested in Savile so will give it a go.
It's just mad how he had nearly everyone fooled. I remember praising him on social media a few years before he died as a classic English eccentric and being the inventor of DJ'ing or something. This guy had his own key to Broadmoor! It's just insane. How does that happen?
Always wanted to go on Jim'll Fix It as a kid but my shrewd old nan had him marked as 'an orrible creepy man'.
As a kid I found him to be ‘creepy’, I only watched jim’ll fix it as it was on before dr who,but watching the video footage now makes me cringe.
I know it was a lifetime ago and behaviour was different then but wow.
Me too. But parents had no issues sitting kids down to watch him/it with their boiled egg and soldiers Saturday tea.
I think a true reflection of how creepy is is to 2022 eyes would be to watch a random unedited episode now rather than a drama about it. Disclaimer - not watch the Netflix thing yet though.
I’ve found all the Netflix documentary mini series to be excellent so (probably the wrong phrase) looking forward to watching it as they tend to be able to find all sorts of people to interview who were involved in or affected by whatever subject they are looking at that other documentaries don’t have access to or don’t have time to cover.
I spent a good proportion of my childhood abroad (service brat) and when I came back to the UK, I was genuinely a bit weirded out by him. I remember seeing him fist of TOTP and thinking what is the ugly old geezer doing..?
I didn't think he was a sex offender obviously, but I just thought he was odd.
I remember seeing him fist of TOTP
Wow, I missed that episode...🤜😂
I think it’s worth a watch, I liked how they presented it and watched both episodes back to back.
As journalism/documentary I think it was good as it showed just how great his fame was and how deeply he was embedded in the U.K. psyche.
It was suggested on Twitter that his repeated use of the phrase "My case comes up next Thursday", was away of insulting his interviewer, as in "see you next Tuesday".
We watched it last night, and yes, it's astonishing how deeply he managed to embed himself into 'normal' and even high society as a way of hiding what he was doing, and getting/keeping the authorities on his side. The public persona was, for the most part, a big front. The bit that amazed me, and it's been shown on other recent documentaries before, was the episode of TOTP where he was groping a girl whilst talking to camera, she literally leapt upwards and was wriggling around, yet didn't smack him in the teeth. Very much a sign of those times, I'm quite certain she wouldn't have been so restrained now.
If you've not seen it, the earlier Louis Theroux documentary is well worth a watch.
Its all part of the BBC ethos
An insight into
Watched it the other night
Forgot how much he did to raise money and get things built for the people, quite amazing really and it helped him become a hero of the nation
Obviously we had no idea of the other side of him (well i didnt as i was born in 1977 so was clueless about those sorts of thing growing up)
Watching it all back now you can tell something isnt right with him and hearing his victims stories truely brings home how vile he really was
Im not a religous person, but i hope there is a hell just for him, he was edging his bets hoping all the good would counter all the bad he did, he didnt get punished in this life so hopefully he will in the next
Not sure I can bring myself to watch anything more about him.
As a kid I always wanted to be on his show either jumping over a car on my bmx, or shooting out all the windows in a house with a machine gun.
😂 Makes me sound crazier than him!
Not sure they'd have encouraged either of those fix-its.
I saw him once driving around the town of Otley I think it was. Long before all the truth came out.
Not sure I'll watch the doc. He really does make me deeply uncomfortable.
Watched it and he was one creepy man. Old folk seemed to love him the most. Decent documentary but overuse of sinister music in the first episode almost made it comedic in places. Didn’t need it considering the subject matter. I was born in ‘77 and honestly can’t fathom how he wasn’t caught. He always made my skin crawl.
Watching it all back now you can tell something isnt right with him and hearing his victims stories truely brings home how vile he really was
He always seemed odd to me as a kid. Around that time he was rumoured to be going to marry the daughter of a local millionaire businessman, and I remember my aunt and cousin being very uppity about him, but didn't say why - I was just a kid anyway.
They worked at Stoke Mandeville, and after the truth came out years later they said there was "gossip"about him. Shame no one acted on it years before.
but my shrewd old nan had him marked as ‘an orrible creepy man’.
MY mum always said there wasn't something right about him and also called him creepy. I just thought he was an arrogant ****.
It's a hard watch but I'm sure you can see some of the interviewers have *that* look towards him the have I got news for you episode and some of the hospital stuff that picture the kid drew for him stick to mind
My mum had him as wrong un would not let us watch the fix it program
As a kid, i found him creepy.
My mums opinion was “he’s a nonce”
She never met him, so i assumed she was, perhaps, a bit more sensitive to such things, having been sexually assaulted by her best friends neighbour when she was 12.
**** knows how he got away with it for decades.
One would hope, in these days of social media etc, that the chances of it happening again are tiny.
When i rule this country, nobody would ever be a nonce twice.
Remember seeing the Louis one and even then thought he just seemed so bizarre, then the truth officially came out….I’ll be interested to see how this is written in comparison
ANOTHER coverup by the establishment and Yorkshire Police.
Coogan is playing him in the forthcoming drama series. In an interview a couple of weeks ago he said that he played Saville as a charismatic and very likeable person. Which he was. It’s too easy to apply the “monster” rear view goggles with what is now widely known.
I always like to think why would I think any different at the time than those who didn’t notice? And the truth is, I probably wouldn’t either. It’s how he got away with it. He was likeable - if a bit creepy. Never did get to meet the Red Arrows either.
through the keyhole, Jimmy Saville edition has just popped up on my utube feed. :/
Very well done. I use to watch him, I can remember my Dad a very experienced mental health nurse then lecturer being suspicious of him. My Dad worked on secure units and other wards with paedophiles.
The documentary just showed how very manipulative he was, knowing what protection being famous and raising money for charities would do for access and protection. Second episode was very disturbing with some of the victim speaking in detail.
With foresight there was a lot red flags, ignorance, possibly covering up and missed opportunities to challenge him.
It’s amazing how so many normal people have had him down as creepy as **** even at the height of his crimes sad to now know how many of the elite never spotted the obvious or never chose to see them
Mum tried to get brother on show after sending his slides of scout jamboree off for development with no return address! Luckily got no reply nor return trip to New York.
An insight into
My god, that's 13 minutes I'll never get back. Never seen a bloke talk so much whilst saying so little.
I had a bit part on an epsiode of Savile's Travels when I was about twelve. Thought he was a bit odd in a showbiz kind of a way but that's all really.
Got his signature. Don't know what happened to it.
The bit with Gary Glitter was very telling…. With what we know now
It’s just mad how he had nearly everyone fooled.
As other have said above, he didn't have nearly everyone fooled. As a teenager in the 80's it was pretty well known amongst my generation. No evidence obviously but we just knew.
The bit with Gary Glitter was very telling…. With what we know now
Yep, I think that was my take on that he wasn’t actually hiding it, it was all in plain sight, it’s probably how he got away with it.
I think he was right with being ‘tricksy’ rather than clever.
It’s interesting that as kids a lot of us thought he was creepy whereas a lot of the adults thought he was a saint.
As other have said above, he didn’t have nearly everyone fooled. As a teenager in the 80’s it was pretty well known amongst my generation. No evidence obviously but we just knew.
Well there was that sex pistols interview, I didn’t see that at the time, I don’t remember anyone talking about him tbh.
As a teenager in the 80’s it was pretty well known amongst my generation. No evidence obviously but we just knew.
As a teenager of the 80’s I had no clue at all.
Well there was that sex pistols interview, I didn’t see that at the time
No one did. It wasn’t shown until afterwards.
As a teenager of the 80’s I had no clue at all.
Likewise. I always saw him as an eccentric showbiz personality who also did lots of stuff for charity. I had absolutely no idea that he was anything other than that.
Okay, fair enough. From my perspective, and my wife's who was also teenager in 80's we and our friends had him figured.
Guess we were teenagers in more cynical/sceptical circles...
My wife’s Canadian, and so has none of the cultural baggage that comes from being immersed in the BBC of that era.
Her opinion (perhaps with hindsight) was that he couldn’t have been more obviously a wrong un without changing his name to Jimmy FiddlingSaville and ridden everywhere in a coach made entirely of children's bones.
Aside from the obvious horrors of what he did, that documentary doesn't show the UK in a good light does it? To the casual outside observer the UK looks like a nation of oddball village idiots governed by an arrogant and aloof elite. This country has always had a major problem with honesty and openness about sex, combine that with a culture of deference in a stratified society and Savile is the inevitable result. Makes you wonder whether some of the conspiracy theories of endemic peadophilia in the UK elite are true.
Irvine Welsh wrote about a character, Freddy Royle, in 1996, that is obviously based around Jimmy Saville.
I've not seen the documentary yet, and I'm not sure if I want to, tbh.
As a kid I attended the church at SMH, where the Spinal Unit is in which he had a 'personal room', and he was a frequent visitor to Mass (the church service). He would come in a few minutes into the service and stand in the doorway of the priest's office at the back; you always knew when he was in though as there'd be two crisp twenty-pound notes in the collection plate. I was (for my sins!) an altar boy and was always slightly in awe of this bloke off the telly, though he never spoke to me or the other lads. My mum was a ward sister at the hospital and had had to show him around a few times and she always knew he was a wrong'un.
Wind forward ten years or so and I could usually be found drinking at the student nurse bar at the hospital (ever hopeful...). He was still a presence at the time and would wander around the whole hospital unchallenged, however all of the student nurses knew he was very gropey and would avoid him at all costs. The older nurses all knew of his reputation too. However his reputation was just as a bit too cuddly and squeezy and just generally creepy, like the pervy Uncle that every family seems to have. I don't believe anyone actually thought he was a paedophile predator who was raping young girls the whole time.
Yes, he was a monster. Yes, he got away with it for years. But you only have to look back at so many other culturally-accepted norms from the seventies to realise that people only saw what they wanted to see and what was acceptable then is eye-poppingly appalling now. He was seen by the public as a 'good-old-boy' who had raised millions for charity, and nobody wanted to recognise or accept what was hidden in plain sight.
Hindsight is 20:20.
To the casual outside observer the UK looks like a nation of oddball village idiots governed by an arrogant and aloof elite.
Sounds pretty accurate.
It's hardly just a UK problem. Watch the documentary about Gillain Maxwell and see how Epstein got away with much the same in Palm Beach, Florida for years with absolute impunity for much the same reasons. He was part of 'The Establishment' so blind eyes were turned across the board, and when he was eventually collared things mysteriously just 'went away'
Hopefully its better than the Madeleine McCann one Netflix did, what a shower of crap that was. A whitewash and totally biased towards protecting the parents. Jaw dropping that it left out some key stuff in a desperate attempt to make the parents look innocent. So based on that garbage I don't hold out much hope for this one.
. I don’t believe anyone actually thought he was a paedophile predator who was raping young girls the whole time.
The documentary mentions both SMH and the church, including reports from staff, patients and victims who all tried to report it. But no, not Jimmy he does a lot for a charity.
It’s hardly just a UK problem. Watch the documentary about Gillain Maxwell and see how Epstein got away with much the same in Palm Beach, Florida for years with absolute impunity for much the same reasons. He was part of ‘The Establishment’ so blind eyes were turned across the board, and when he was eventually collared things mysteriously just ‘went away’
It's hard to conceive that Savile was in such a position of influence as to act as an
intermediary between Royals...
Surprised further questions have yet to be asked about his dealings with Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson
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