[Closed] That Maxxis "babes calendar" article...

Nah. It's just shouting through a loudhailer into a shipping container.

Metaphorically

A shipping container full of misogynists on this occasion 😛

how the hell can someone go from promoting the brainwashing of young, impressionable teenage girls into believing self-image, style and beauty is all important, to having the views she now promotes.

it's called growing up - one reason why young people shouldn't be given the vote...

Sorry, I've not been keeping up with this all day, and there's a couple of oldish posts I feel compelled to reply to (I've not yet had my camomile tea).

[quote=cumberlanddan ]

edenvalleyboy - Member
@cumberlanddan...question for you. If a group of women told you they thought the calendars were wrong..what would your answer to them be?

Which reminded me of a conversation I had with a car driver I had whilst out cycling recently (yeah I know 🙄 ) I suggested (very politely and calmly) that he had cut in a bit close to me. He told me that he disagreed with my opinion. Because clearly despite being further away from the left hand side of the car than I was and in a far worse position to tell how close to me his car was, his opinion was just as valid as mine.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

16 pages? Crikey!

To trot out the tired "as a father" trope...

Probably the most dangerous thing I worry about isn't a bit of be-Tango'd tat but the worrying way that so many of the self righteous amongst you seem to thing that the way to put you opinion across is to be as condescending and, if I'm honest, bullying as possible. In fact, sod that you are bullies, the classic definition of a coward who wouldn't say boo to a goose in person but suddenly becomes the ****ing mac daddy once they're behind a screen and shielded by relative anonymity.

Those "trolls" you read about? Thats you. Maybe a bit more vindictive, but its exactly the same behaviour just taken a few steps onwards. Some of you need to take a long hard look at yourselves and engage your brains, you wouldn't get away with this shit in work so why the hell do you think its remotely acceptable in the wider civilised society you all seem so keen to be a part of?

Cumberlanddan - I hope that answers your question. I don't agree with your overall point (though I'm not that long from having the same opinion) but can see where you're coming from. Objectification isn't healthy but for far more serious reasons than sexism; body image and such. There are plenty of tasteful ways this calendar could have been produced but they missed the mark. Not the worst example in the world though, I'll definitely agree, though it does set a poor impression of motorsport in general.

In the meantime, there is no need to preach your views.

My irony filter just exploded.

So if I'm reading this right...

1) You're right, and we're all wrong?
2) you can express your views, but anyone expressing an opposing view, as they tend to be in the majority (funny that, innit?) is a bully and a troll?
3) it is offensive, but only on purely aesthetic grounds?
4) their are far superior examples of the genre out there?

Bigger tits?

We shouldv'e had a poll on the thread which would have saved atleast 10 pages

Oh I don't know. I've learnt a few things. Not least why Jim Davidson still has a career

Wow, 16 pages and still some pretty backward statements being strongly defended.
Just wanted to say that Molgrips totally gets it - thanks Molgrips.

Sounds about right squirrelking.

aracer, the two things are really quite different. What you've done is confuse your opinion of what is too close with an empirical fact.

To say 'a bit close' is a judgment. If you'd said "you came within x-1 units of distance to me where x is the minimum safe passing distance", then you would have a point. However you didn't and you don't.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

Thanks fionap 🙂

Squirrelking is right though in that we tend to get a bit overly angry by default on the internet. Takes some effort not to do that sometimes.

Probably the most dangerous thing I worry about isn't a bit of be-Tango'd tat but the worrying way that so many of the self righteous amongst you seem to thing that the way to put you opinion across is to be as condescending and, if I'm honest, bullying as possible. In fact, sod that you are bullies, the classic definition of a coward who wouldn't say boo to a goose in person but suddenly becomes the **** mac daddy once they're behind a screen and shielded by relative anonymity.

Those "trolls" you read about? Thats you. Maybe a bit more vindictive, but its exactly the same behaviour just taken a few steps onwards.

Can you post some examples of what you consider to be 'bullying' please? Stuff like this maybe?

does all this shite binners keeps posting actually make anyone think "What a great guy, i wish i could be like him"? Or does it just inspire other thoughts?

Really grum, out of all the dross on this thread and thats the bit you pick out?

I thought that was pretty restrained.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how binners later contributions were remotely constructive and not some vain, pathetic and bullying attempt at shutting down the debate.

Can we all just take a moment out from the debate to consider the kids out there that are actually being bullied..

Then have a good think before we start mewling and whingeing and devaluing the word by using it in this thread

If you feel that you're being bullied please tell a parent or teacher

thanks

Perhaps you'd like to explain how binners later contributions were remotely constructive and not some vain, pathetic and bullying attempt at shutting down the debate.

Please post some examples of what you consider to be 'vain, pathetic and bullying attempt at shutting down the debate.'

Seems like you just can't cope with people disagreeing with you TBH. In fact I would say that you are massively overreacting and displaying 'faux outrage'. Oh the ironing etc etc

What's all this post examples, show evidence crap? This is an internet forum not a dissertation.

The posts are not difficult to find and noone with half an ounce of common sense will have any bother identifying them.

Hi!

Gripper Stebson here - younger readers may need to look this one up.

Sorry - just dropped the girls off at gymnastics. Then we're off to football as the eldest has a league game at 12.30. She's shaping up into a pretty solid centre back. Loves it, and takes it very seriously. [url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Stoney ]this[/url] is her role model. But having read and inwardly digested the wisdom of this thread, I think I'm going to have to have words. I think she needs to accept that she can aim higher.

She needs to be looking at more like [url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_(people)#Glamour_modelling ]this[/url], as as a career it's something to aim for. Not only is not remotely demeaning to women, and doesn't just reinforce sad, tired, lazy, sexist and misogynistic stereotypes, it's actually the total opposite! It's actually really empowering for the girls involved, as they're the ones in control and making money, right?

Can't wait to see her first Calender! I can only imagine my pride in seeing that one rolling off the presses to grace the garage walls of a grateful nation. Then we can raise a glass to how empowered she's feeling, and how good it is to live in a society that banished inequality all those years ago

I hope its for tyres!

This is an internet forum not a dissertation.

Indeed. And best not to come here if you really can't handle people disagreeing with you...which, evidently, it seems you can't. If you're going to bandy about accusations of pathetic bullying, you really ought to be able to back them up. Or maybe just grow up and try not to be so pathetic yourself.

Thanks binners for providing such a stellar example of your usual work. If you weren't so busy concocting ridiculous analogies in a pathetic attempt to belittle me you would have noticed that I'm agreeing that the calendar is sexist. Try reading what I wrote again using your real world persona rather than with big hitter binners.

Plenty of people on both sides of the debate have kept it civil (Cumberlanddan and Molgrips spring to mind) why can't you?

Yunki - so because this bullying is minor in comparison to more extreme cases then it's not worth addressing? Think carefully before you answer.

My point was that instead of engaging with someone with an opposing viewpoint some folk would rather seek to suppress or coerce them into agreeing with them by means of belittling, ridiculing and demeaning them rather than with intelligent dialogue. Perhaps bullying is perhaps a strong word but it really is the tip of the iceberg as these things go and by engaging in such activity you are part of the problem.

Indeed. And best not to come here if you really can't handle people disagreeing with you...which, evidently, it seems you can't. If you're going to bandy about accusations of pathetic bullying, you really ought to be able to back them up. Or maybe just grow up and try not to be so pathetic yourself.

I said that, not him. Kinda ironic you say that since it's evident that binners (and the one we all ignored) is the one that can't handle a mature debate.

Perhaps bullying is perhaps a strong word

Yeah, I think so...

People disagreeing is not an issue. People deliberately misconstruing and misrepresenting what is said is.

I said nothing about bullying, misrepresentation number 1. I also pointed out where some examples of bullying might be so that's misrepresentation number 2.

I also pointed out that I don't know for certain to what bullying squirellking was referring.

As for binners last post, it basically sims up to being I wouldn't like that for my child so therefore no one would/should. Perhaps it's not a bad option for everyone or perhaps it's a least worst position.

I also pointed out where some examples of bullying might be so that's misrepresentation number 2.

Apologies if you did. Where?

The year in sexism from the Guardian...

January
The beginning of the year saw Rita Ora lambasted for showing too much cleavage on The One Show (as reported by the same publications that routinely publish entire articles about cleavage). Nigel Farage made a boob of himself by demanding that breastfeeding mums should sit in the corner, and the Sun succumbed to the No More Page 3 campaign with all the grace of a toddler throwing a screaming tantrum.

February
The trailer for Magic Mike XXL gave columnists the opportunity to declare that “men are now objectified more than women”. Feminists might have responded with any one of a million recent examples suggesting otherwise, had they been able to stop laughing long enough.

April
Nicola Sturgeon was among many female politicians derided in the run-up to the general election.
As the general election approached, the media decided the best way to critique female politicians’ policies was to Photoshop their heads onto scantily clad models, create cartoons of their cleavage and devote more column inches to their shoes than their views. Strangely, their male colleagues’ wardrobes went largely undiscussed.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/dec/15/the-year-in-sexism-women-2015-feminism-misogynist?CMP=share_btn_tw. ]Plenty more here for knuckle draggers to deny.[/url]

What's all this post examples, show evidence crap? This is an internet forum not a dissertation.

Well it's a bit pointless having a debate when people just make things up or make wild assertions that they can't back up.

I said nothing about bullying, misrepresentation number 1.

I directly quoted you up there referring to binners posts as bullying. 😕

It's hilarious/ridiculous that apparently the author of the article needs to lighten up but you can't handle having the piss taken out of you without jumping on an enormous high horse.

People disagreeing is not an issue. People deliberately misconstruing and misrepresenting what is said is.

More comical hypocrisy. You've repeatedly tried to claim that people are calling for censorship and banning calendars like this, which no-one has suggested at any point.

Crumbs this thread is interesting

Squirelking your end paragraph is probably what ost if us think in general but the rest is just attacking one side. Examples habe neem [osted of one side being rude about Binners and yet you still only seem to think one side have beenrunde - IMHO there has abeen a fairly reasoable balance of people being disrepectful to the other side. For every post of someone calling them dinosaurs there is someone calling is hanf ringing do gooders. Its ironic , that in you appeal to be more even handed you fail so spectacularily yourself

Really grum, out of all the dross on this thread and thats the bit you pick out?

I thought that was pretty restrained.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how binners later contributions were remotely constructive and not some vain, pathetic and bullying attempt at shutting down the debate.

THen you gothtis which is not the epitome of niceness followed by an absolute refusal to bother to back uo what he said, You are correct its not a dissertation, though no one has mistaken it nor claimed it was such. However it is not an arena where you can just throw claims out and not be expected to provide the evidence for your claim...just like real life

As for how folk are on o here i can assure you that if someone at my work tried to place such a calendar at work - it would probably breach the law so probably not the best place to use an example I would be eas frank to their face as i am being on here about how outdated and inappropriate their views are.

Really grum, out of all the dross on this thread and thats the bit you pick out?

I thought that was pretty restrained.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how binners later contributions were remotely constructive and not some vain, pathetic and bullying attempt at shutting down the debate.

I said nothing about bullying, misrepresentation number 1. I also pointed out where some examples of bullying might be so that's misrepresentation number 2.

OK so you said nothing about bullying except for the bit where you said about bullying, and if someone said you said something about bullying, even though i have quoted it, they are misrepresenting you
Think you cleared that one and thankfully this is also not a dissertations so such a lack of clarity of thought carries no punishment. IH and forgive me for using evidence there.

Plenty of people on both sides of the debate have kept it civil (Cumberlanddan and Molgrips spring to mind) why can't you?

Basically Binners has given up reasoned debate n the main and is using sarcasm and humour to make his point Dan is replying with more insulting sarcasm and personal attacks as a reply. Binners are funnier but I am be blinded by the fact I would not say this as respectfully as dan the man has.

Seriously though, does all this shite binners keeps posting actually make anyone think "What a great guy, i wish i could be like him"?

Seriously though, does all this shite binners keeps posting actually make anyone think "What a great guy, i wish i could be like him"?

Odd thread and bizarre you want to portray yourself as victims of bullying tbh. OBjects of derision but not bullying

* i dont think anyone has bullied on here but the expression of opinions, from all sides self included, have not always been respectful.

So.. Could I reiterate..?

Before we all go throwing around accusations of bullying, could we take a moment to consider what the word means, and whether it's appropriate in this context
thanks again

Oh and, boobies! (in your own home and within the confines of a loving relationship)

+1 yunki

Junkyard, apologies if I wasn't as even handed as I could have been but binners has been the worst most recently, I was deliberately ignoring the other glaring example since everyone else has but suffice to say we have an ex army (or at least forces) trans member I'd love to watch them repeat their performance in front of. And I beg to differ that he has been respectful in the slightest, excusing his behavour as sarcasm is just pulling out that Edinburgh Defence you like so much isn't it?

I'd say Dan has been pretty even handed to be honest, I disagree with him (when is anyone going to actually read what side of the fence I'm on here?) but that doesn't mean I'm blind to the shite that's being thrown his way. At least you have the good grace to admit that you've not always been respectful rather than throwing toys out the pram.

As someone said umpteen pages ago, play the game, not the ball. Or some other crap football analogy that sounds as much a muchness to me.

yunki - Member
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Indeed...

What is the shite that's being thrown his way? Pulling him up on:

Making things up that other people have said then criticising them for that, rather than what they've actually said
Pretending he hasn't said things that he has
Throwing around accusations of bullying
Refusing to back up his claims
Implying that binners is a ****

?

Junkyard, apologies if I wasn't as even handed as I could have been but binners has been the worst most recently, I was deliberately ignor..... excusing his behavour as sarcasm is just pulling out that Edinburgh Defence you like so much isn't it?

I dont think you can claim you are playing the ball here can you* 🙄

My mistake it was not an accident it was a deliberate polemic masquerading as an appeal for balance 😕 You have done what you are asking us not to do each post face palm pic here.

At least you have the good grace to admit that you've not always been respectful rather than throwing toys out the pram.

* shall we both hide behind the question mark or accept what we meant?

Match cancelled due to a waterlogged pitch. Dunno what her and her sister are going to do now instead? Probably play with some barby dolls, watch a Disney princess film, or practice their pouts ready for their future career.

Previously she'd said she wanted to be a marine biologist. Silly girl. I've told her to get those fluffy ideas out of her pretty little head

No mention of the kitchen or cleaning you are a brute and a monster as a father.

January
The beginning of the year saw Rita Ora lambasted for showing too much cleavage on The One Show (as reported by the same publications that routinely publish entire articles about cleavage). Nigel Farage made a boob of himself by demanding that breastfeeding mums should sit in the corner,

Rita ora, people with a greater understanding of feminism than I please help me out here.
She is a self professed feminist yet has a calendar, has done plenty of glamour shots displaying her breasts on more than one occasion. So does that alone outrule her from being able to claim she's a feminist.

No mention of the kitchen or cleaning you are a brute and a monster as a father.

Where has this come from, Are you inferring that anyone who does not have a problem with this calendar will automatically believe that housework was woman's work. Some leap.

chip - if you'd been reading the thread properly then you'd have understood that anything she does is a result of conditioning by society. However, I'm sure she'll take a different approach when she grows up.

Previously she'd said she wanted to be a marine biologist. Silly girl. I've told her to get those fluffy ideas out of her pretty little head

So any one who believes modelling fashion or glamour is a legitimate career for a female (or male) would not equally agree that marine biology was also a great career for a female (or male)

she'd said she wanted to be a marine biologist.

believes modelling fashion or glamour is a legitimate career

It's probably a lot easier to have a successful career as a marine biologist than a model.

[i]People disagreeing is not an issue. People deliberately misconstruing and misrepresenting what is said is.[/i]

I think it should be reminded that there is no 'one version' of reality (IMO, because I'm sure there's some externalists out there)and that everyone interprets what's written in these threads through their own lens, values and belief systems....

That's why people often claim someone else has misunderstood them..

It's also frickin hard to put into words what you're thinking in your head...

And no doubt, what i am trying to say here will be interpreted differently by everyone else.... 😀

"bullying"

😆

I think Cumberlanddan has remained strong and resilient throughout this thread; no sign in my eyes he's been "bullied"

It's a shame he's not a campaigner for womens rights really.

chip - if you'd been reading the thread properly then you'd have understood that anything she does is a result of conditioning by society. However, I'm sure she'll take a different approach when she grows up.

So if someone's daughter became a model it would have been because of social conditioning but if she becomes a marine biologist it will be despite of it. Thanks mate.

[url= http://www.maxxis.co.uk/babes ]The Maxxis Babe's Website[/url] is no longer on line. What have you all done 😀

What have you all done

Reminded me that I need to order a new super tacky highroller for my full susser 8)

Maybe 17 pages of pointless arguing by people with nothing better to do with their time wasn't so bad after all 😆

So any one who believes modelling fashion or glamour is a legitimate career for a female (or male) would not equally agree that marine biology was also a great career for a female (or male)

In truth she can do either, in theory. But we all know the sort of unspoken thing, don't we? My daughter is quite middle class really. Not 'Waitrose/Home Counties' middle class like most on here, but, you know... not a bad area, nice school, good grades, despite being in the north*. Northern Lower Midddle Class-ish

Whereas everyone knows that glamour models doing photoshoots like this don't come from there. They come from grim council estates in some god-forsaken hole like Doncaster. And its their decision to go into it because despite the multitude of opportunities society offers them, in a nation built on social mobility, meritocracy, and most importantly: gender equality, plentiful opportunity for all classes and sexes, they just chose to get their norks out instead.

I suppose its easy money, when you've left school with no GCSE's as you were probably bunking off, smoking weed, taking legal highs, and shoplifting. Its a good living for the inherently ****less. And who knows where it could lead? A saucy schoolgirl photoshoot in Razzle? A regular slot at a lap dancing club. One of those inexplicable underwear-clad Dear Diedre photo problem pages in the Sun, or if they work on their regional accents, and learn which cutlery to use, some work as an escort in City Centre Hotels, servicing businessmen

Was that what you meant? That kind of 'empowerment'?

Sorry if thats putting words in your mouth. Its just how I interpreted this statement from your mate Dan

As for binners last post, it basically sims up to being I wouldn't like that for my child so therefore no one would/should. Perhaps it's not a bad option for everyone or perhaps it's a least worst position.

* Not Cheshire