Hmmm. Acellerating at 1G gives a 0-60 of around 2.8 seconds. Aero doesn't really kick in until 60mph so where does the extra traction come in? How do the tyres have coefficient of friction over 1 without wearing our in ten minutes?
I'm confused.
I have a lot of time for what Tesla (Brand, and Musk as boss) are trying to achieve.
The product isn't perfect; but then, the current crop of their electric cars are way better than the best internal combustion engine cars of just ten years ago, which had by then had over a hundred years of development. See where I'm going wit this...?
Unlike many commentators, I've been very lucky indeed to be inside a Tesla Roadster on the Lotus test track with one of their drivers at the wheel. An experience which would probably be sufficient to convert most sceptics. The level of performance that is available is so high that even a modest percentage of it is exhilarating; driven sensibly, this range of cars last very well indeed and also need charging much less than the doom-sayers suggest...
I wonder if it'll log you out as often as STW does... (having logged back in again)
I like the Truck idea, the car is pointless. No reason to produce cars that have inane 0-60mph speeds in a modern 21'st century... simply pointless cock waving and has no real place on any roads other than Race Tracks.
The Truck though is impressive, the lower slung cabin is a bonus to other road users, that has to be celebrated .. because we all know current Truck design is lead by morons masquerading as wallpaper paste designers who use nose bleeds are success criteria.
Assume the Truck can be remotely controlled too, hope there are some smart ethically minded software designers out there than limit the speed to regulate it in ALL scenarios. Happy to see a punishment 240v to the driver should they drive like dicks and maybe they'd learn that they don't own the road, simply use it like the rest of us.
We have 3 Teslas at the sailing club, bought by the A typical Tesla driver.. self important twonks who wear M&S check shirts and expect to be able to park in Disabled Bays even though there full able bodied. Easy to spot them... Yaking away in corners fiddling with dinghy control mechanisms shouting at themselves.
ghostlymachine - Member
If you had a ludicrous mode that overloaded the entire system every single time you used it, not long. TBH, from what i can tell, even the standard mode is pushing it on discharge limits. That's why they don't have ludicrous modes on fuel cars. So the engine/transmission will last several years, even with ragging everywhere. (Unless you deliberately try and break it.)
Never had an ICE car with launch control then? They generally don't recommend you use it regularly because it will hammer the transmission.
Braking G-froce on the telemetry of competition saloon cars reaches over 1.3G. Traction control can be set to get similar G to braking G assuming theres a surplus of torque on hand (which there is).
If you had a ludicrous mode that overloaded the entire system every single time you used it, not long. TBH, from what i can tell, even the standard mode is pushing it on discharge limits. That's why they don't have ludicrous modes on fuel cars.
That's why Teslas aren't made by normal car companies, but by a tech startup.
Edukator - Reformed Troll
Braking G-froce on the telemetry of competition saloon cars reaches over 1.3G. Traction control can be set to get similar G to braking G assuming theres a surplus of torque on hand (which there is).
I'm assuming some of that is down to the aero that exists at their cornering speeds. Any way 1.3G= 41.6ft/s/s
So to get to 88fps takes 2.1 seonds in a situation with mostly minimal aero. I'm still suprised by the 1-9 seconds claim. Obviously I'm missing something.
The 0-100 of 4 seconds is a lot more convincing. 147 fps at 1g takes just over 4 seconds so the aero will have a much higher effect.
[quote="bensales"]Never had an ICE car with launch control then? They generally don't recommend you use it regularly because it will hammer the transmission.Yes, dozens. They basically play with the margins on shifting durability and quality. So it takes your 250000km transmission to something like 240000km, also reduces life of engine mounts and certain parts of the driveline. I think its BMW that have a counter on theres so you can only use it a certain number of times between services, some others may do as well. Certainly doesn't result in a measurable loss of power while still under warranty.
[quote="molgrips"]That's why Teslas aren't made by normal car companies, but by a tech startup.You mean they won't be around long enough to worry about warranty? Or is it because people just keep giving them money? Or possibly as they've not yet had to deal with a lawsuit for selling shonky cars?
Or is it because people just keep giving them money?
Basically.
They don't have a legacy brand to look after and aren't competing with all the other manufacturers to produce reliable fleet cars or cheap but decent superminis for your first car etc etc. They have a very narrow market segment, and are still trading on the novelty factor.
They are gambling that they can use this to create brand image, and then from that move on to cheaper cars by increasing economies of scale. VW wouldn't gamble everything on that, but it doesn't matter if Tesla do.
Then when Tesla get everyone used to the idea of electric cars and start to drive down the cost of batteries (this is decent sized IF) other manufacturers can join in without having had to front any of the risk.
All working out very nicely so far, let's hope it works out.
Don't most "launch" systems overload components?
I remember the Nissan GTR had trouble with its gearbox for similar reasons... and I know the McLaren P1 would do the same after speaking to someone who worked on it. They aren't designed for 100% throttle to be used very much.
both semi (s****) and roadster sound promising.
With regard to the roadster specifically (as I like a fast car) , IMO there's more to sports cars than just straight line acceleration , handling is as important (often more so) as straight line speed/acceleration.
The tesla P100D which is very fast in a straight line, has been slated for its handling, and couldnt manage more than ~3 minutes quick driving before it went into limp mode due to overheating components. I think it managed a 10 minute lap of the nurburgring.
I know Its not really marketed as a sports car, but still, the performance figures are a big selling point for it, but they dont say it can only sustain that performance for 3 minutes ....
This roadster will need to be able to be a proper rounded sports car, not just a one trick (and only for 3 minutes) dragster to take significant sales off the current supercar manufacturers.
Lets hope it does , as the more competition there is, the lower prices of these sort of things will become.
As an aside , my cheapo li ion brushless RC car gets mega hot in 3 minutes as well, same problem I guess.
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This roadster will need to be able to be a proper rounded sports car, not just a one trick (and only for 3 minutes) dragster to take significant sales off the current supercar manufacturers.
But the previous car had more than one trick. It's electric, and helping to bring in a transport and perhaps environmental revolution. Bugatti aren't doing that are they?
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and helping to bring in a transport and perhaps environmental revolution
I think for most buyers of sports cars that sort of thing is secondary to the performance (not just straight line) of the car.
Maybe the roadster will be able to use all its performance for more than 3 mins -i hope it can, and buyers can be bask in the glow of having a really fast well handling sports car that isnt simultaneously killing the planet.
The point i was making is that a headline number on its own does not a sportscar make. You could be forgiven for thinking that though because of the industries fixation on 0-60 times. I guess its an easy to measure,easy to understand metric .
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I can't work out if he was impressed or not 😉
There are now at least four electric car owners on this forum, including the site owner. I haven't seen a negative comment posted by any of us. THey do what it says on the box with no fuss.
Other manufacturers were there before Tesla but as they were ICE players there was little or no incentive to make electric cars more attractive than the ICE ones. They were pandering to the green lobby, their governments, legislators more than presenting a new transport philosophy. Tesla set out to make an electric car better than an ICE car and they've done it by any objective measure.
molgrips - Member
This roadster will need to be able to be a proper rounded sports car, not just a one trick (and only for 3 minutes) dragster to take significant sales off the current supercar manufacturers.
But the previous car had more than one trick. It's electric, and helping to bring in a transport and perhaps environmental revolution. Bugatti aren't doing that are they?
Mol looks like he's locked into his own "save the planet"' "it's a revolution I'm telling you" thought locker.
Electric cars like this one only appeal to those that think they can go faster than anyone else, it's simple.. make a fast car fast and only people with enough cash to buy one can drive it.. thereby creating a Brand based on Image and nothing to do with saving anything.. We've constantly done the "saving the planet" crap to death and one day you'll realise vehicles like this have absolutely nothing to do with saving anything other than us less wealthy from buying into a Brand based on Image alone. The wealthy care less about anything other than being seen in a fast car like this, and have pictures taken of them in it/driving it or getting out of it.
I've said many times on threads like this and I'll say it again... Let Musk come to the market with a mass appeal, mass produced, ethically sourced transportation system that can benefit all.. then put the infrastructure in to cope...
Until then...IMO..., it's just a vanity project to lure the wealthy into the Brand, a Brand based on Speed and Thrills from an electric powered car.
[b]bikebouy[/b], my dad bought himself a 2nd hand Tesla Model S a couple of weeks ago. Can you accurately a) describe his personality to me; and b) describe his reason(s) for buying it? Thanks.
As for 0-60 times:
Why, you unsure who he is and what his personality is?
I'd go have a word with him if I were you.
As with most things there are as many reasons for buying as there are buyers.
For the Zoé mine were:
Les CO2, no pollution at the point of use, less pollution over life cycle and recycle, no noise pollution. It's consistent with having a surplus from my solar panels
The drive, it's a delightful little thing. I didn't want to give the one they lent me back so I ordered one.
But mainly so I can be all smug and self-righteous on STW. 8)
Why, you unsure who he is and what his personality is?
Oh, come over all shy now, have you?
No, just wondered why you didn’t know your own fathers personality and his reasons for choosing a Tesla, I guess you don’t speak very often.
I can pop round if you like..
Have they done a campervan yet?
Somebody I know has just been killed by a guy in a Tesla. I’m sure his family will be delighted to hear a faster one is on its way.
rene59 - Member
Have they done a campervan yet?
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-tesla-camper-mode/
I love Elon Musk, he strikes me as being on the cusp of turning into a Bond villain.
The world needs people with his ambition, just don't let him get his hands on an extinct volcano cave for his HQ
[url= http://driving.ca/tesla/auto-news/news/motor-mouth-the-inconvenient-truth-about-teslas-truck ]Canadian driving site alleges numbers don't add up for the truck[/url]
It will add an interesting new aspect to the ‘which 56mph limited truck is the fastest’ game that is so popular on the A1.
Without folk like tesla pushing the limits of what is possible electric car development would be much slower
Musk made it clear to me at least that the 30min charge was not from flat to full, it corresponds to what a driver would need to charge between stops, for example when loading or unloading. He's not a great speaker but in my mind at least it's the ide that 30min charge covers the range to the next (legally obligatory in Europe) rest stop or load/unload.
As for a journalist who writes "one must be au courante". Yes sir you really are "running water".
ranksinatra - MemberI love Elon Musk, he strikes me as being on the cusp of turning into a Bond villain.
Perhaps he already is a Bond villain. Ever think of that? What if Neuralink is actually a device that will allow him alone to control millions of autonomous cars and trucks and buses with his brain, and Space X is intended purely to create a moon lair to hide in?
What if all he's doing is waiting until all cars are fully autonomous and running Tesla software, then he flies off to the moon and unleashes a "Maximum Overdrive" type scenario unless the world pays him a Jillion dollars?
Makes you think.
Agreed, there is no doubt the mans got vision and the investors to fund it.
Wild claims are his prerequisite, his modem operandi so to speak.
But that truck needs a small service station, the size of your local Petrol Station, to charge one vehicle at a time in his estimated time from flat to full.
If he’s going to build these too, then I’m going to support his mighty endeavours, but he’s going to need a small planet of powerstations to provide the sparkly bits.
Maybe he should build a spaceship to collect solar radiation in a net, convert that to sparkles and wave a big wand around held in his left hand whilst gabbling on a podium and gesticulating to us with his right hand and proclaiming “you’ve got no vision”
Sadly pragmatism prevails.
Subsidies from US government and very poor quality control what could go wrong?
wwaswas - Member
It's a shame they couldn't design something where the driver could see a cyclist beside the cab... it's got less visibility to the sides and down than a standard hgv.
Well, I’ve sat in a Nissan Qashqai and watched on a screen on the dash as a bloke walked all around the car giving it a quick checkover, without moving my head. It involved the use of these neat little electronic devices, called cameras; you may have heard of them?
Oh that would be why fighter jet designers are falling over themselves to improve situational awareness by replacing bubble canopies with shitty little low definition cameras whos screens you have to physically look down at and block a lot of your peripheral vision...
I can pop round if you like..
Sure. You can tell him to his face that he's a "self important twonk" who cares less about saving anything than looking good in an expensive car.
Crikey, there's some chips on shoulders here!
Bikebuoy, you may want to actually look in to what musk has achieved so far, because they are all about the infrastructure, as well as the vehicles.
See also the massive energy storage system they're installing in Australia.
Btw I don't think prerequisite means what you think it does, and what's a 'modem operandi' - some kind of instruction for a router?
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I’m fine thanks, just pointing out the obvious.. but read what I posted...
No chips, large fish though.
Somebody I know has just been killed by a guy in a Tesla. I’m sure his family will be delighted to hear a faster one is on its way
Meanwhile quite a few people have been killed or seriously injured by people driving a whole bunch of cars that aren’t Teslas...
How many Teslas have been sold in the UK?
Tom_W1987 - Member
Oh that would be why fighter jet designers are falling over themselves to improve situational awareness by replacing bubble canopies with shitty little low definition cameras whos screens you have to physically look down at and block a lot of your peripheral vision...
I don’t know how much attention you’ve been paying to fighter design over the years, but pilots have large helmets with visors and oxygen masks that cut down on a lot of peripheral vision these days, and have high-backed ejection seats blocking rearward view.
And how many accidents occur every year because artic drivers cannot see around the sides of the tractor unit?
but read what I posted...
Do we have to? 🙂
Nope, I don’t read anyone else’s ..
Ohh... no I do akchewally... they spout the same crap as I do.
HTHs.
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I did read it, [s]some[/s] most of it didn't make a lot of sense, which is why I posted....
