[Closed] Terrorism is alive and well in NI

Adams is going to get a tightener!!
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8591844.stm ]Its catching up with you now Gerry[/url]

Joe - I thought it was the so called loyalist side that were controlling the drug trade and criminality? Last to lay down their arms as well.

TandemJeremy - Member

Joe - I thought it was the so called loyalist side that were controlling the drug trade and criminality? Last to lay down their arms as well.

I think you'll find that one side is as bad as other with evidence that different areas are controlled by different factions with discussions happening between each grouping over control

I thought it was the so called loyalist side that were controlling the drug trade and criminality?

On the loyalist side yes, cant see the UDA/UVF controlling drugs trade 'up the Falls, Divis, etc'!

Poor Gerry never involved with any terrorism - St Gerry 😉

On the loyalist side yes, cant see the UDA/UVF controlling drugs trade 'up the Falls, Divis, etc'!

Poor Gerry never involved with any terrorism - St Gerry

They're all at it, and I don't think anyone would seriously think Adams wasn't involved in some way in terrorist activities, but he's the nationalist representative and he has to be worked with and you'll have to get used to it if you are going to try and prevent anymore trouble.

LOL @ the mainlanders lack of understanding

LOL@ the use of "mainlanders" by someone from the island of Ireland!

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

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who me?

I did'nt do nuffink

JoeBones tell Pete36 to get back in his box

JoeBones - Member
LOL @ the mainlanders lack of understanding

LOL@the Provincers who can't see things from any perspective beyond their own as brilliantly illustrated by your previous comment:

I wish the Government would stop pandering and intern these scum

Big fan of Ian Paisley are you? Mad dog Adair and the UDA? The UVF?

Pete36 PMSL!

You spill my pint?!!!!

If you'd looked at joebones profile you'd have seen he's from the uk, which clearly means he's a blue nosed hun, as mad and bad as murder is the people of NI would never have been treated equal with GA and MM, I came across old IP at Ballymena train station a couple of weeks ago with all his bodyguards what a joke.

IP?

LOL @ blue nosed hun

Ian Paisley at a guess

TJ

Basic Norn Oirland for you

RC = Rice Crispies

P = Porridge

IP = Internet Protocol, it means MI5 can keep tabs on you

😉

Ta tankslapper. I always forget which side are the Huns as well. 😳

TandemJeremy - Member

Ta tankslapper. I always forget which side are the Huns as well.

Jeez TJ you really wouldn't be safe around Belfast would you?

(I hear orange is the new green on the Falls Road at the mo....... :lol:)

Anyway back to the OP - and other generalisations -surely when we talk about 'the mainland' this should refer to Ireland? 😉

TJ you saying there is any connection between Paisley and Johnny Adair?

TJ you saying there is any connection between Paisley and Johnny Adair?

Other than the fact they are both cocks?

tankslapper - Member

Jeez TJ you really wouldn't be safe around Belfast would you?

If I wore pink I would be Ok ?

sv - Member

TJ you saying there is any connection between Paisley and Johnny Adair?

Two faces of the "loyalist" side One found his way into politics the other into criminality. Similar sort of relationship as Adams and the republican splinter group that is responsible for the bombing that the OP referred to?

Whats an OP?

Tankslapper they will burn an effigy of you in Glenfield

OP - original poster - ie Joebones

I thought is was an observation post

I'm amazed that I'm the first to mention Mrs Robinson, these mainlanders really don't know what happens over there, where is the mad dog these days anyway?? still hanging around Stranraer?? I bet he misses Walter ewans fish from the Shankhill road.

Tj, you really need to go to the shaft, you'd love it, I'll even sort out the taxi to take you around and show you the sights.

I struggle with the situation. Martin McGuinness - deputy First Minister, former Minister of Education WTF.

The guy was stopped with 200lb of explosives, involved in torture and lured Hegarty back to be killed.

I went to Belfast Royal Academy and still remember when he came to address the school assembly. When he started speaking the whole school and about 50% of the teachers turned their backs while he spoke. He laughed and they got threatened with expulsion.

Paisley, though a bit of a mouth, was a good local Councillor. Girlfriend (Catholic) came from Ballymena and had some trouble getting her University grant sorted out. He waded in and jumped all over the LEA and it got sorted. Not as big a bigot (!) as you might believe.

Two faces of the "loyalist" side One found his way into politics the other into criminality. Similar sort of relationship as Adams and the republican splinter group that is responsible for the bombing that the OP referred to?

Paisley was never involved with terrorism, making people 'disappear' or involved in a 'war'. So not a similar relationship at all then.

But it's okay now all the history has been forgotten and we can be united with 'the South' again, oh sorry they can't afford us oops. Luckily 'England' can 😉

I went to BRA too bill sill was a tool

Paisley used to be my MP, used to make me laugh having him and Martin knocking on my door looking for votes, Paisley daughter is a sit hot artist, went to one of he exhibitions in Magherafelt.

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Got the blinkers on again SV - the big man was never directly involved with terrorist organisations in your world either.

LOL @ the mainlanders lack of understanding

We understand that a number of British soldiers, RUC police officers and civilians died because of sectarianism.

I wouldn't go as far to say that you would welcome a return to those days, but your mindset is still firmly entrenched there.

No harm mate, but Ian's "3rd Force" doesn't really meet with the classical definition of a terrorist organisation (unless you loose sleep at night worried that your milk might be delayed by a blockade of farmers).

I'd rather have Big Ian shouting nonsense at me, than have McGuinness at my privates with a pair of pliers during one of his "interviews".

While there is no evidence ( that I have seen) that Paisley was as close to terrorism as McGuinnes and Adams I have no doubt he knew who the loyalist terrorists were and he had influence with them. If he had told them to lay down their arms then some of them at least would have listened. He was hardly a moderate

He could have done more and earlier to help broker a peace - but in the end he did come on board. For that and for his constituency work I respect him - for his earlier "No surrender!" he will ever be stained in my eyes

Tankslapper they will burn an effigy of you in Glenfield

Good to have you back man.........

there is any connection between Paisley and Johnny Adair?

Ian Paisley was instrumental in the "troubles" escalating from civil unrest to all out sectarian slaughter. He co-founded loyalist paramilitary groups, armed them, organised them and called for them to robustly defend themselves against an exaggerated IRA threat that didnt really exist at that time.

He has also been implicated in planning/calling for a series of bombings which, although carried by loyalist paramilitaries, were actually blamed on the IRA, bombings which led to a massive increase in the level of violence in NI. Given the timing of his actions it could be argued that he has far more "blood on his hands" than any other single person involved with the troubles. But what else would you expect from a religious nut case. Putting it mildly, he behaved in exactly the same way as todays ultra extremist muslim clerics. Putting it bluntly he was an active player.

And no, I wont be linking to a website to back my story up, the info is there if you care to look for it.

While there is no evidence ( that I have seen) that Paisley was as close to terrorism as McGuinnes and Adams I have no doubt he knew who the loyalist terrorists were and he had influence with them. If he had told them to lay down their arms then some of them at least would have listened. He was hardly a moderate
He could have done more and earlier to help broker a peace - but in the end he did come on board. For that and for his constituency work I respect him - for his earlier "No surrender!" he will ever be stained in my eyes

You are all getting confused the loyalists weren't an army, they weren't organised in any real way. Ok so there were some lose cannons with guns but mostly they were a front for Special Branch/British Government, there was without doubt collusion! Although it was a fight against dirty cowardly scum who murdered men, women and children regardless. Why not 'No Surrender' would you surrender to any of the current terrorists in England?

He has also been implicated in planning/calling for a series of bombings which, although carried by loyalist paramilitaries, were actually blamed on the IRA, bombings which led to a massive increase in the level of violence in NI. Given the timing of his actions it could be argued that he has far more "blood on his hands" than any other single person involved with the troubles. But what else would you expect from a religious nut case. Putting it mildly, he behaved in exactly the same way as todays ultra extremist muslim clerics. Putting it bluntly he was an active player.

I don't see any of Paisleys former party members stating he did anything like what our friend Mr Adams has in the past. He is no more a religious nut case than the Pope but maybe you think 'the AA gunner' is a nutcase too!
He may have played an active role in the troubles but somebody had to speak up for the Protestant people of Ulster, you cannot put him on anywhere near the 'bloody hands' level of Adams, McGuiness, Kelly, Maskey, Ruane....

SV - while he might not have the bloody hands of those others there is no doubt he encouraged "loyalists" in their actions of riot and burning out of Catholics and so on as well as murders and kidnappings- and IIRC there are hundreds of deaths that the loyalist paramilitaries are responsible for.

As for "no surrender" - well he had to in the end - at some point you have to sit down and talk to your opponents - eventually he did but he could have done more earlier.

Intransigence is not helpful

JoeBones - Member
LOL @ the mainlanders lack of understanding

Not all "mainlanders" are mainlanders though, are they?

deadlydarcy - Member

TJ you saying there is any connection between Paisley and Johnny Adair?

Other than the fact they are both cocks?

+1 But add Adams and McGuinness - it's funny how the same people who benefited from the troubles now benefit from the peace....

Joe Bones BRA??? I always thought you were a right *** 😆

TJ you argue most of the uk leaders are in the same Paisley boat then! It's hard to talk to an AK47, although SAS weren't to bad at it 😉 well until they were pulled back by the British government and then Special Branch top brass crashing into a Scottish hillside. Fairly convenient for the MI5 to take over just after strange eh? There is peace now and they (MLAs) are getting paid to do nowt.

TS how about that historic rugby win on St Paddys day - stick it up the Belfast schools 😉

The chances of MisterGnar talking sense on this thread are equal to that of Shergar running in the next Grand National!

JoeBones - Member

The chances of MisterGnar talking sense on this thread are equal to that of Shergar running in the next Grand National!

He'll win by a head..........

JoeBones - I take great exception to your racist language - my wife is of Romany descent and has suffered for years from ignorant idiots like you.

Thats actually a fairly stiff sentence for his protest IMO.

And joe - you really are a twonk. Sectarianism and racism in one thread.