when everyone quite happily drank Blue Nun.
I have never 'happily' drunk Blue Nun.
I would also like to go to the cafe where they tell the milk off.
I would also like to go to the cafe where they tell the milk off.
I've just been looking for a picture someone berating the milk machine, this particular cafe sounds quite heartless. 😛
As scalding takes milk to 80+ degrees, I'm a more than a little confused by this cold scalding malarkey. 😕
Unfortunately I realised the spelling error when it was too late to edit! My dad has been known to shout at his coffee machine though....
Has coffee replaced home HiFi as the bus-****ers' "Snobisme du jour"
Macken is totally right, but if most customers are ignorant then cafes just adapt to save service time rather than explaining the reasons it doesn't come with milk to every other customer all day long.
I agree, Macken is technically correct. An americano is a long espresso which I believe came about because of the Americans bastardising Italian coffee during WW2 (although I will happily, happily be proven wrong on this).
However, a lot of people like milk with their long coffee, me included. Catering for the masses as the customer is always right, even when they're obviously wrong.
A bit like Brexit...
does flat white = americano with milk?
Big changes in the last 10-15 years. 15 years ago most folks suffered instant in a bog standard cafe, you felt a bit posh if they had a filter machine with a vat of coffee that had stood on a hot plate for a couple of hours and you got super lucky if you found one that would do you a little cafetiere. There are now a growing number of us that know what we like and like what we know - must be a right pain for the bog standard cafe owner.
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Has coffee replaced home HiFi as the bus-****' "Snobisme du jour"
Maybe off the mark as a tea drinker (leaves not bag) but it's easy to make really decent coffee, so serving average or crap is not acceptable. It's a very British thing to just accept stuff and think asking for good is snobbery.
Also most of the locals here in Oz can't understand why brits live with such shit coffee, not much served in the UK would last a morning here.
Also most of the locals here in Oz can't understand why brits live with such shit coffee, not much served in the UK would last a morning here.
Yet 75 per cent of Australia's annual coffee consumption is instant.
Sorry I'm talking about those that drink real coffee
Ah so not most of the locals in Oz then.
it's easy to make really decent coffee
Assuming you know what decent coffee taste like, eh, Mike...
Most of the ones I know who have been to the UK, they describe the coffee selection as poor. Just what I have to go by and by the op's wishy washy what should I do I seem why. Here they would be shut in a few decent cities
Also I seemed to manage to make a decent cup with an espresso machines 😉 from what the snobs told me
This is not a first world problem, this is an STW first world problem....
This is not a first world problem, this is an STW first world problem....
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The worst "espresso" I ever had was made with scoop of nescafe and small amount of hot water. I never went back there.
We finished a ride, far later than planned, in rubbish weather, cold and miserable and went to the only cafe still open, a sort of 1950's style American Diner lookalike place with peeling faux leather seats.
Asked if they served cappuccino and the woman behind the till ripped open a sachet of Nescafe instant cappuccino and dumped a load of superheated water on top of it. Awful stuff although we were so cold that we had no choice.
but it's easy to make really decent coffee
and to be honest it's easy to get a decent cup of coffee in the UK...including espresso, but that's not what this thread has turned into. Is it?
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What is crema ? I only drink bog standard white coffee!!
the light brown 'cream' that you get on top of espresso.
you only see it on 'proper' espresso, as it's been squeezed out of a unicorns' ar53.
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they describe the coffee selection as poor.
Oh those crazy Aussies and their poncy coffees, all you need is coffee, water and wee cup to put it in.
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mikewsmith - MemberAlso most of the locals here in Oz can't understand why brits live with such shit coffee, not much served in the UK would last a morning here.
When I visited Australia, I don't remember having 1 cup of coffee that was markedly different to that served all over the UK....some was good, some was shit.
It's different in different countries anyway - I've never been that bothered by German coffee, but they are quick to bemoan coffee in England because it's different.
And Turkish coffee is on a whole new level of 'mud'.
i really like coffee and drink loads, have my own machine but i`ve no sodding idea what all the different names mean or what they are supposed to look like. i can understand why most people dont either.
you tend to know if you are going to get a crap coffee as soon as you walk in a place. then you order appropriately.
i mean WTF is a ristretto or a flat white? there is a whole level of coffee nerdism out there i`m scared to enter.
I'm a coffee fan grind beans for my wee gaggia classic and there are some great cafes in Edinburgh and Glasgow but there is one that has a few in Edinburgh does the roasting etc great flat whites but by the time you get it its lukewarm tastes great but one gulp and your £2.50 down. Ask for it slightly hotter and the look you get like you've insulted this barista who's served an apprenticeship of making pretty design on top, going by trip advisor I'm not the only one put off by there attitude.
That'll be artisan roast then.
Barista = B Ark passenger.
Yes without mentioning any names you named that tune in one, so pretentious they are get my beans now from Mr Eion
I personally like a lungo, nice and bitter
Bitter? Lucky you, any old over roasted over extracted coffee will suffice then. 🙄
Am I the only person on here who doesn't like coffee , I can't stand the smell of it , the taste of it or anything flavoured by it and yet people I cycle with choose which cafe to stop at based on the standard of the coffee over the standard of the food .
I've only had one truly dreadful espresso recently. It was in a cycling related café on That London's Old Street.
Also most of the locals here in Oz can't understand why brits live with such shit coffee, not much served in the UK would last a morning here.
Coffee wasn't any better in Australia than anywhere else I've travelled, mostly ok some good much like the UK. It did however provide me with the worst cup of coffee I've ever bought though.
Coffee wasn't any better in Australia than anywhere else I've travelled
Agreed. Have had better coffee in many places than Australia. Apart from China, where it's bordering on impossible to find good coffee!
Apart from China, where it's bordering on impossible to find good coffee
Difficult in Spain too, outside of the big cities.
Apart from China, where it's bordering on impossible to find good coffee!
What you mean?
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've only had one truly dreadful espresso recently. It was in a cycling related café on That London's Old Street.
And to think you were only minutes away from Dose, TImberyard and Workshop. (Some of the best coffee in the area) they don't show the tour on a big screen or sell inner tubes though.
Am I the only person on here who doesn't like coffee , I can't stand the smell of it , the taste of it or anything flavoured by it and yet people I cycle with choose which cafe to stop at based on the standard of the coffee over the standard of the food .
Do you like beer? Cos I feel the same way about alcohol as you do about coffee.
Cos I feel the same way about alcohol as you do about coffee.
What, all alcohol? Even things like fragrant liqueurs and the like...?
But seriously, I'd change your riding buddies, Neil. Decent coffee in favour of decent food is barmy.
The only decent flat white I've found that resembles those down under is at Boston Tea Party.
im fed up getting a flat white instead of a cappuchino ......
i did take one back recently because the milk in my cappuchino was burnt - tasted bloody awful.
Its much easier in the uk to get palatable ground coffee in shops without having to attend your artisnal grinder as you do in oz (currently in oz)
Best cappuchino ive had was in san francisco at the blue bottle coffee shop - worth the queue - and when there were 3-4 other coffee shops near by with no queue i guess that tells.
What is the difference between a flat white and a latte anyway? I always assumed the flat was just the australian version of a latte but now I seem them both on the menu. Have asked a few barristas and have had a multitude of conflicting answers.
http://www.baristaguide.com/insights/coffee-terminology-guide-by-jason-haeger/
thats pretty close to how i interpret coffees.
Mean while over in big bear trying to explain what an americano was was a bit of a mare ..... i guess long black is the correct term. i asked for a black coffee innitially and he went for the filter jug.... so i settled on an assemble yer own like mike posted - asking for an espresso and some boiling water..... it wasnt like they didnt do coffee - they seemed right proud of their coffee just the concept of topping up espresso with ho****er seemed alien and i should just be drinking their filter char.
What is the difference between a flat white and a latte anyway?
nothing really
