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So lets keep Labour in? Madness.
how can it be madness when you have no concept at all of the alternative.
all your saying is i've tried x and it was shite so im going for y.
you have no idea how bad they could be...
What I'm saying is you 'all' feel that Labour has done a good job and will continue a good job.
It strikes me as fear of the unknown or are you going to bang on about under Thatcher again.
What Hora doesn't realise is that most of us have already experienced Y and they were rubbish, so we went to X, which lets be honest have done a pretty good job and in comparison to Y are amazing. Why would we go back to Y when we know how amazing rubbish they were.
Z has a nice haircut mind you.
but i should imagine your reason (most people's reason) for not voting lib dem is quoted as 'fear of the unknown...'
voting tory as a result of not liking the way things are in the economy stinks of people voting ukip/bnp because they cant get a job because of 'all the immigrants'
hora you muppett you have not once said why you think the lot you havevoted for will be better have you so again why will the tories make it better? because labour are crap is not a good enough answer.
Vote for change I suspect as empyty and vacuous as your non argument
None of us think anyone could have done a great job under the circumstances but if you really think Dave and George will suddenly eradicate the debt and the borrowing you really are living in cloiud cukoo land ..too compare us to greece is like comparing you to Steve Peat after all you both ride bikes.
More like comparing Jeff Capes to Angelina Jolie as they both have nipples.
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Somehow, I think Hora secretly revels in his status as STW Resident Village Idiot!
You are funny though Hora, and never deliberately nasty or malicious, so carry on, it's entertaining!
Hora can't even decide what bike's right for him, and they let him loose with a vote??? 😯
the problem for us here (and by us it seems i mean team 'not hora')
is that a good portion of the nation is currently thinking just like him.
voting blindly for 'change'
vote for change, im angry lets have a change, change change change...
but change to what? they (and i) have no ****ing clue what a blue government would mean these days...
Ooooh the socialists are out in force here, everyone must be equal, the state owes you a living, redistribute the wealth etc
Makes me sick. You want a nice life, work hard, no make that bloody hard, get a good job & screw everone else is my view on life.
Oh dear...
Nurse? He's got out of his room again. 🙄
Sad, really, isn't it?
we know you BNP voting thick moron - you know they want to nationalise things dont you to share the wealth aboutor did you just see the racism and that was enough for you?
I assume you think the Queen and the Duke of Westminster worked very hard for their inherited wealth then 🙄
Working really really hard and screwing everyone else sounds a pretty horrid life to me, but heh if it works for you and keeps you happy go for it!
swoon... my hero... swoon.
what a fantastic view on life.
We approaching a trillion of national debt. Three times higher than Greece's national debt and you are saying 'keep the same party'
One question - just because labour were in power when that happened, why does that make it their fault?
There's a fair bit of bullying here. Hora is not the most diplomatic of people but is entitled to his views and they are as legitimate as everyone elses. Not done himself any favours by linking to the mail etc.
I dont think Labour have done a good job, time for someone else to have a turn. I've voted tory due to local policies but I won't be upset if the libdems get in overall.
as i see it... pretty much EVERYONE that is voting tory is doing so in a reactionary, 'Labour are shite thus we'll get them out' style. Quoting wars, economy etc.
WTF is wrong with that? What could be worse than starting an illegal war? Are you comfortable with the way labour sent our armed forces into Iraq and the outcomes?
Maybe we're not confident in mr darlings abilities as chancellor. Osborne may not be any better but there's only one way to find out, and I don't think can be much worse.
shit situation i guess then...
vote out the current leaders as you are so angry with them, only to vote back in the party you last voted out because everyone was so angry with them.
i guess its cyclical, and ultimately just shows how useless the whole process is.
what i was trying to say, was that voting out a party for 'change' and for 'better' is more than likely to result in more of the same, and hence is a bizarre reason to get rid of party - particularly when in doing so you vote in a party that everyone had an equal if not higher level of hatred for less than two decades ago...
more tax is coming, things are going to get worse before they get anywhere near better. no matter what happens tonight/tomorrow.
I only hit on a few quotes on google. I could spend a couple of years on this and draw up a Thesis for you with the pro's and con's of both sides but I'd rather earn a wage.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=206
More generally, the public sector recorded deficits between 1991/92 and 1997/98 before moving into surplus in 1998/99. Deficits have been recorded since 2002/03.
When Labour took office in 1997, debt was £350 billion.
Alistair Darling announced plans to borrow another £700 billion over the next five years.
Somehow, I think Hora secretly revels in his status as STW Resident Village Idiot!
I don't know about that. I'm working class, put myself through Uni and worked in any job as long as it was work. I've even worked in two McDonalds to pay the bills whilst I studied as I couldn't face being professional student and not work. My bestfriend once worked on the bins briefly at his lowest ebb.
So when someone puts down his books for a second and makes comments about others lower than him I feel thats disingenuous.
I don't look at people with more money and think 'you greedy bastards' and I don't think someone owes me something either.
Therefore I chose to vote who I want to vote for and I don't feel I have to explain it in detail all day long. Don't we have this subject daily with alot of the same characters?
I vote for whoever I feel will benefit this country.
My only weakness is I am too nice in life. Peace.
Once in every few years the country needs detoxification otherwise the power becomes too intoxicating to those in power so a vote against them is needed to ensure their heads do not get too big.
Labour has been in power for a while now so it's time for them to move on and let others have a go.
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perhaps tracknicko, but if a party has not performed well (in my eyes), they don't deserve another term. A period of quiet reflection, if you will.
i guess its cyclical, and ultimately just shows how useless the whole process is.
Agreed but I think it should be cyclical, it's the only way any will improve. A comfortable position is often a complacent one.
It's just down to picking the best of a bad bunch IMHO.
I agree that the previous boundaries between the big 3 are more blurred now. New labour are no more liberal than the tories, just like to be seen to be. All have policies I both like and dislike.
That's all well and good, Hora, but where's your proposal on how the Tories are going to fix the problem? You know, what I asked you for hours ago? All you've done is continue to bang on about the National Debt, without actually coming up with any viable way of reducing it. A bit like the Tories.
I've cleaned toilets, swept up rubbish, worked in a meat packing plant, all sorts of not particularly nice jobs. As have loads of people. What's your point? Personally, I want for nothing now, but am concerned about how many other people struggle to make ends meet, because of a system that is skewed towards rewarding those who choose to pursue making money, rather than helping their fellow citizens. Your attacks on Public Sector workers are ignorant and insulting. Many of your comments and statements are pretty ignorant of the real facts, let's be honest. Mostly load of populist rhetoric. Do you ever stop to really think something through?
You come up with fatuous statements, but seldom seem to have the wherewithal to back them up.
And you wonder why you get stick? 🙄
FWIW; I reckon you're probably a pretty sound person in 'real life'. I'd have no problems having a pint with you.
As long as you got a ****ing round in too; Binners has told me about your fiscal policies..... 😉
I'm voting tory in the morning
ding dong the bells are gonna chime
Your vote won't count after 10:00pm.
think we probably agree deep down backhander. im more inclined to give LD a shot this time though.
I was tempted, but even after trying I just couldn't find much about my local LD candidate.
To be fair to him, the toryboy has been campaining on a few local issues and seems quite in touch with the area. I did send him an email that said in so many words "you got my vote this time, if you get in you better not have lied to us or f*ck everything up" I wanted to put the "c" word on the end but was concerned that a CPO for my back garden would come winging my way!
ha ha ha. that seems a good solution.
'ere mate... im voting for you, so don't make me regret it. or ill nut ya!'
perfect.
Gotta speak to them in a language they'll understand eh?
voting tory seems crazy when we have essentially had a tory giovernment for the last 25 years, since nulab repositioned themselves to the right ......
deregulation of the banks, finance over manufacturing, privatisation of everything, house ownership and rocketing houseprices for all etc etc
only diffrenece is nulab spent more on public services and taxed the rich a bit more, oh and the fox hunting thing
so the tories will get into power now
slash public services, increase vat, cut family tax credits- stuff that affects the little guy most
they will raise money by selling off everything thats left, ie the NHS just like hanahan has promised his american paymasters and more importanatly Peter Gershon camerons advisor and chairman of the largest private healthcare company in the UK who stands to make billions from it all)- to be fair nulab were gonna do this anyway tho perhaps not to the same extent
the tories (like nulab) will do nothing to halt eu immigration; they cant, they dont want to as all their friends at the CBI want their farms factories and warehouses staffed by the lowest possible paid workers
they wont raise employers NI contributions, not yet anyway, as a favour to all the businessmen who donated to their campaign
and then they will hack up the bbc, sell bits off and reduce it to nothing
which of course is why rupert murdoch and the right-wing press are salivating over a cameron victory (murdoch will no longer have to start charging for the times website as he said he would in june (just after the election!)
only the lib dems offer anything slightly different
(also only they opposed both wars- the tories have a hard on for war worse than nulab)
and then they will hack up the bbc, sell bits off and reduce it to nothing
Since real Comedy left the BBC I don't have an issue with that.
Since real Comedy left the BBC I don't have an issue with that.
Ladies and Gentlemen; Case Dismissed.
Hora, you are a prize t1t.
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I'm not going to bite. Sorry.
mighty boosh
ideal
flight of the conchords
family guy
league of gents
psychoville
the office
extras
gavin and stacey
russel howards good news
charlie brooker
id say bbc was the only chanel that mmade any decent comedy shows
I'm not going to bite. Sorry.
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Hora, you are funny...
fabulous bit of writing for you all...
"As a young man Cameron looked out the social carnage.. looked at Margaret Thatcher's government and thought, these are my people... When all the debating is done, that is really all I need to know"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/04/why-i-hate-tories-david-cameron
hora - Member
I'm not going to bite. Sorry.
Too late you already have bitten off mor ethan you can chew.
Did comedy end with Allo Allo for you was everything else either too alternative or high brow?
You can't really call any of that high brow.
I don't mind paying the license fee but I don't feel like I get great value TBH.
0% reality TV content would be a good start.
well ill be a monkeys uncle
the tories will be saved from their own inability to manage the economy by oil once again?!!?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10100769.stm
and once again it will be a lablour government that encourage dthe drilling
Well, it'll take a few years at least, before any production actually turns a profit. By which time the STW Revolutionary Party led by TandemJeremy will be in complete undemocratic dictatorial control of the Nation. And I, as Chief Inquisitor, will ensure some of those profits are used to enable me to torture Hora and a select few other STWers on a daily basis. The animatronicated corpse of Margaret Thatcher will be used to scare children in the London Dungeon, to remind them of those dark times when Democracy was allowed to run rampant...
That is good news indeed.
At least whoever gets into power is in with a fighting chance if the find turns out to be substantial.
well oil companies do tend to exagerate their finds, just look what its done for the share prices of the companies out there
and it says nothing about quantity or accesability, both major factors in how much it will be worth
Backhander; it will take several years until a proper extraction programme is fully operational, and several more years before it becomes profitable. Always supposing there are substantial deposits. And I wouldn't imagine the Argentinians would accept this without some comment either...
fwiw the north sea oil fields gave britain about 20bn a year throughout teh latter part of the 80s early 90s
You're probably right fred.
The argentinians can gob off all they like. It's just tough sh1t.
in the interests of keeping people happy im sure we will have to pay a fee for piping the oil thru argentine waters etc
The argentinians can gob off all they like. It's just tough sh1t.
Not really. Britain won't want to risk any further unpleasantness with Argentina, since diplomatic relations have improved. I dare say negotiations will take place to ensure all parties are kept happy. Britain can no longer afford to just piss off whoever they chose.
With this amount of money?
Not on your nelly mate. You underestimate the greed and the "oh look at how great I am" speeches.