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there's a difference between thinking someone is stoopid and then letting that opinion prejudice your actions / business etc...
[b]If I had to judge[/b] whether a person is intelligent or stoopid, in absence of any information I would bet on intelligent, because I'm an optimist. But if I know this person has a tatoo, and that's all I know about them, I would bet on stoopid, because I believe that there is a correlation
Ah yes but you DON'T have to judge, do you? You can keep an open mind - that's what I am getting at.
Despite all the traffic on this thread, I suspect Shibboleth is reasonably intelligent, but we are all having some communication issues, and he's wording himself terribly confrontationally which doesn't endear people to him.
Of course, the constant stream of hyperbole about how stupid I am doesn't make himself look particularly clever either 🙂 Plus, I'm not really paying any attention to it so you might as well save your fingers 🙂
But if I know this person has a tatoo, and that's all I know about them, I would bet on stoopid, because I believe that there is a correlation
Does that mean all Maoris should be presumed to be stupid?
I am not even sure why I am posting, slow day at work I suppose...
Shibboleth - you're funny!
What I want to know is how you know molgrips didn't lose his 'johnson' in a tragic hoovering accident and that he's infact taking his neice for a stroll?
I need answers!
I do have to judge. It's my nature, and yours too. Stoopidity, and a million other dimensions as well, all at the same time.
But I'm surpised that molgrips hasn't flamed me for saying that people with tatoos are more likely to be stoopid than those without. Are you feeling okay grips?
They're all there in the picture, TSY, just look. LOOK AT IT! YOU CAN SEE IT WRITTEN ALL ACROSS HIS FACE!
I do have to judge. It's my nature, and yours too
Hmm.. well it depends what you mean by judge I suppose. The word judge has a finality about it implying that you have made a decision about the person concerned and aren't likely to change. I will say that I start forming opinions about someone when I see them, but I don't consider that judgemental because my opinions are fluid and change all the time as I learn.
theEye, you did say that you are prepared to change your opinions which is a good thing of course.
I think I can maybe see through Shibboleth's spittle spray a bit.. When he says someone is stupid for doing something, he means that act was stupid, not that the person necessarily is. I think - kind of hard to tell though because he seems to be abusing everyone and everything.
Does that mean all Maoris should be presumed to be stupid?
There you go!
The fact that a person is a Maori is extra information.
But it's true that the tatoo/stoopidity correlation is based only on my experiences of Europe and US. It may not hold everywhere.
Oh, well, it's a question of definition then, grips.
When I hear the word 'judge' there is no finality to it. I use it more like 'perceive', I guess.
Fair enough.
I don't see a correlation between tattoos and stupidity tho. I do see a correlation between crap tramp-stamps and other low-brow chavvy style things though.. I couldn't offer much on the intelligence of the people involved, especially since intelligence is such a varied and fluid concept.
I do see a correlation between crap tramp-stamps and other low-brow chavvy style things though..
Ha! You narrow minded f***er! 🙄
🙄 yourself!
*posting in a style Shibboleth understands*
What an utterly lamentable display of cretinous idiocy! How on earth can you dress yourself you half-witted imbecile? It would be obvious to anyone with any kind of brain that I was stating a correlation between observable items of fashion, that cannot be disputed. How could anyone miss that you utter retard? I wasn't passing judgement on the intelligence of the people concerned, just a correlation between various visual styles
Does that help, Shib? 🙂
Hahahaha!
And just as I was about to post something about my suspicion that molgrips is incapable of calling anyone stoopid, no matter what they do and how well he knows them!
Does that help, Shib?
It just helps prove that you've been talking out of your arse for the past few days. You're happy to admit that you can judge a person's social status by their clothes and 'type of tattoos', and yet you've spent several pages tying to flame and ridicule me for making the assertion that I am fully aware that people make those judgements and cut my commercial cloth accordingly!
You really are quite the village idiot.
Isn't about time people stopped feeding the troll that is Shittoleth? Let him have the last word, cos his words are meaningless anyway.
You're happy to admit that you can judge a person's social status by their clothes and 'type of tattoos'
I didn't say anything of the sort!
I said that there was a correlation between style of tattoo and style of clothing, taste in car etc. Some people who appear that way are really nice, some are scumbags - something else I've learned over the years.
Nothing to do with intelligence. Plus, I've not flamed you for not employing tattoed people, I don't think. I've flamed you for being judgemental.
You have to admit that the issues on this thread are simply those of communication, surely?
I didn't say anything of the sort!
Erm...
I do see a correlation between crap tramp-stamps and other low-brow chavvy style things though.
From the Free Dictionary...
lowbrow [?l???bra?] Disparaging
n
a person who has uncultivated or nonintellectual tastes
adj also lowbrowed
of or characteristic of such a person
lowbrowism n
Low brow STYLE THINGS ie clothes, cars etc. Not people.
In any case, by that posted definition, lowbrow does not mean unintelligent.
Elaine - do me a favour, next time just post that you're thinking of joining the BNP, or putting a cat in a dustbin. It'll cause much less 'heated debate', I'm sure.
lowbrow does not mean unintelligent.
Jeebus Moley...
Adj. 1. nonintellectual - not intellectual
in·tel·lec·tu·al (ntl-kch-l)
adj.
a. [b]Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree.[/b] See Synonyms at intelligent.
b. Given to activities or pursuits that require exercise of the intellect.
Jesus Christ.
I don't think intellectual means the same as intelligent.
And you are really splitting hairs. I made it absolutely clear that I do not judge people to be unintelligent based on what they look like about a million times. So if you think my choice of the word 'low brow' means that I've been lying all along because I live in some kind of argumentative fantasy world where I just want to spew nonsense at everyone for some kind of gratification, then you're a weirdo.
Far more likely that we just differ on interpretation of the term, don't you think?
Would it help if I re-posted the sentence without the term low-brow in it?
Double post.
You're right about one thing, there's certainly a communication issue here. But if you're going to continue using well known and established expressions but atribute a meaning other than their dictionary definition, we're always going to have problems.
If I was considering you for a job,
That's not going to happen though is it? Business can't be too good if you're on here arguing all afternoon 😉
Come ON!
Of course you judge people to be unintelligent based on their looks.
Maybe not on the basis of tats in particular, but, at the risk of coming off like a total d*ck, let's have an extreme example --
mongolism: a congenital disorder caused by having an extra 21st chromosome; results in a flat face and short stature and mental retardation
Kettle on, biscuits open, chair in 'recline' mode...
I think that someone's looks are more indicative of their socio-economic background and education rather than intelligence.
I know some really smart Mongols - CEO of mining companies and head of a central bank and some beautiful Mongol models. Or do you mean people with downs syndrome? Have you got tattoos by any chance?
Kettle on, biscuits open, chair in 'recline' mode...
does that mean you're taking a break?
Thank f***, this thread may finally die!
You're right about one thing, there's certainly a communication issue here. But if you're going to continue using well known and established expressions but atribute a meaning other than their dictionary definition, we're always going to have problems
Right, so why don't we just try and figure out what each other is trying to say, instead of flying off the handle and raving about how idiotic everyone is?
I still don't think intellectual means the same as intelligent.
Of course you judge people to be unintelligent based on their looks.
Like I say, I used to, but I don't any more. Takes a bit of effort to overcome your own prejudices.
I think that someone's looks are more indicative of their socio-economic background and education rather than intelligence
TSY has it, once again.
TSY has it, once again.
Before you start high-fiving, I would judge a person's socio-economic background and education based on their tattoos. I wouldn't judge their actual IQ based on whether or not they have tattoos.
Of course you judge people to be unintelligent based on their looks.Like I say, I used to, but I don't any more. Takes a bit of effort to overcome your own prejudices.
In the given example as well? Please.
I wouldn't judge their actual IQ based on whether or not they have tattoos.
So you and molgrips are in agreement then? You're not judging their IQ or their level of stupidity by their appearance, but their likely level of education.
High-fives all round then, woo-yeah!
But of course they both do.
Their looks or their appearance?
So you and molgrips are in agreement then? You're not judging their IQ or their level of stupidity by their appearance, but their likely level of education.
IQ and level of stoopidity aren't the same thing. I know singlespeeders and basejumpers with very high IQs... 😕
I would judge a person's socio-economic background and education based on their tattoos
I'd have thought this entire thread would be indicative of why this judgment is likely to be mistaken given the spread in popularity of tattooing / piercing etc.
Ahh so stoopidity is not a measure of intelligence but a subjective measure by which you personally judge others?
Much like, say, how I might label someone as an utter pr1ck? It doesn't actually mean they are one, it's just that their values are different to mine and I don't necessairly agree or approve of their choices or conduct?
I apologise if you set this definition out in one of your earlier posts.
I apologise if you set this definition out in one of your earlier posts.
Apology accepted... I think I re-explained my thoughts on this 1 or 2 pages back to the village idiot. Go and have a look.
I cannot be arsed to read through this, and I may have possibly replied already as this topic seems to be pretty long running. In answer to the OP: NO.
I wouldn't judge a person's education based on their appearance, not at all. I might judge their social background based on their appearance (probably wrongly), which may or may not include tattoos.
When I went to university there were a fair few people who looked like every day scrotes on my Physics course. So I do not believe there is a correlation between education or intelligence and appearance. The folks in question were indeed from lower income families in poor areas though. Now I'm not claiming to be correct in my judgements of course, and I certainly try hard not to act on them.
theEye - what do you mean?
quite often in business i find the scruffy buggers are the ones who are so successful and good at what they do that they can dress how they like. it's called self confidence with nothing to prove
Now, this is where your lack of intelligence has got the better of you. The decision of whether or not to employ someone with tattoos is based on the fact that I KNOW a large sector of my potential client base will judge them unfavourably.
So you're in a particularly small market where you have the opportunity to know all your [s]clients[/s] customers intimately, which is fine.
A larger proportion of the population are now getting [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7648737.stm ]tattoos[/url], so I would imagine are your customers. Are you now saying that your opinion is not your opinion, but the opinion of your [s]clients[/s] customers?
Could you also explain why you think having tattoos is stupid?
Why riding a ss is stupid?
Why basejumping is stupid?
Could you also clarify that the fund raising you did was an individual effort organised by you, or did you just participate in an event organised by someone else? Links please? I really don't want to think that you're a Walter Mitty as I'm starting to warm to your [url= http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tenacity ]tenacity[/url]. 😆
You seem to move quite alot between tattoos being stupid in your opinion, which is fine and people with tattoos are stupid which is a bit narrow minded.
crikey i just been out riding (not long as i did the ride in record time, between all the mud n folth cow sh-t etc ..... and i come home to find another added 3 pages of pure mud n evil..... ahhahahahhah oh my god shibboleth and molegrips i think you need to get out and RIDE abit more ! 😉 😆 😈 