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bigjim, you've just described genetic modification 🙂 just because it's not done in a lab does not mean that the genes aren't being modified. Pretty much everything you eat has been genetically modified. Bloody farmers 😉
"What law would someone have broken if they had taken drugs? Assuming they aren’t caught with them in their possession"
Possession. Usually a necessary step when going from not having something and having it.
In the same way that getting a car from Tower Bridge to Brighton in half an hour is going to involve speeding, even if you don't encounter a policeman or trigger a speed camera on the way.
The link between video piracy and terrorism might be tenuous or not, doesn't really matter. The link between drugs and dealer dispute murders is rather more direct.
ajaj - its not illegal to have drugs in your bloodstream. You have to be caught in possession of measurable amounts to be done for it.
The link between drugs and dealer dispute murders is rather more direct.
True - but thats a product of prohibition. If there was a regulated market there would be no drug gangs.
ajaj – its not illegal to have drugs in your bloodstream. You have to be caught in possession of measurable amounts to be done for it.
Exactly. What ajaj says is logical, but not strictly correct in eyes of the law. So yes, having drugs in your bloodstream means that you have undoubtedly been in possession of them at some which is illegal, but to be charged you need to be caught with them. I'm not sure why there is a difference, but I think there is.
I'm assuming the example of making the journey from London to bristol is actually similar..ie you clearly broke the speed limit but unless someone catches you in the act you can't be charged.
TJ - that's absolutely right and personally I do think that cannabis should be mostly legal. However, cannabis buyers can't just let themselves off the hook and say they're not responsible for the evil in the supply chain as it is now. UK grow houses use stolen power, unsafe working conditions, rightless workers and a gigantic amount of carbon. For the vast vast majority of consumers, it's a luxury that causes real harm.
Tj isn't saying that that's not the case , but as he points out, if it was legal then that wouldn't be an issue.
lol I just got a moderator warning.
Me too ha ha.
I’m at a bit of a loss why some of my posts were okay and one got cut with a warning but I have a mental image of the Mods reading every letter of this thread with sweat pouring from their collective brows wishing we’d got back to arguing about wheel sizes and brakes.
It's shit and I never have and never will need any. I find people who are high incredibly irritating and try very hard to avoid engaging with them in any way.
Life is hard enough without the complications of sourcing an illegal substance from dodgy bastards and finding a way to get it into your system while simultaneously attempting to function on some level and avoiding detection under the influence while doing something important, like driving, working or parenting.
I watched several people close to me slowly whittle away intellect, memory, personality, inspiration and most importantly, motivation.
It's a brilliant tool to **** up completely things that are already difficult enough. Other than that, yeah. Knock yourself out. Society will pick the pieces.
tried it twice.
threw up twice
You'd also been drinking? Not a good mix without practice.
No idea why I got modded for my previous post, but I'm not complaining - it's their house, their rules.
Edit: now i think about it i *might* have promoted drug use - ooops! Sorry!!
FWIW, the single best drug I've ever experienced is adrenaline - mostly riding, but also from snowboarding.
Think quite a lot of people will have a similar opinion to vongassit.
It seems everywhere at the minute, in the last few weeks, on my local Greenway many demographics smoking it , llandegla car park, Leeds urban bike park, called at my local Asda tonight and it stunk near the entrance..
dont think I’d fancy riding my bike stoned..
back in the day it seemed more private, go onto moors middle of nowhere, a social thing, now it seems every runt is smoking it with no regard for the law or other people..
i hate the smell these days, as with all drugs ideally it should be a part of life, a stage you go through and come out of, growing up.. the people I once knew who still smoke it frequently are dead heads if I’m honest.
moderation is key to all life’s pleasures
Nice for a mid ride break to distract from aching legs.
Just don’t mix it with tobacco.
<p>Back on topic, it's been many moons since I last partook but it was good at the time. When I gave it up though it had become more of a habit and I was bored of it. If I had the opportunity and the planets aligned I doubt I'd refuse some these days.</p><p>I remember from starting a lot of the giggles or just going into my own wee world. It was fun and didn't really get in the way of life that much. A few years in and it was less fun as I'd built a tolerance, I quit and then grown up decisions dictated prohibition from that point onwards.</p><p>Stoned folk don't bother me in the slightest, they're a damn sight more bearable than cokeheads, pissheads or pillheads.</p>
<p>Life is hard enough without the complications of sourcing an illegal substance from dodgy bastards and finding a way to get it into your system while simultaneously attempting to function on some level and avoiding detection under the influence while doing something important, like driving, working or parenting.</p>
<p>Is that how you consume legal recreational drugs? </p>
"It’s shit and I never have and never will need any. I find people who are high incredibly irritating and try very hard to avoid engaging with them in any way"
You seem tense?
"I watched several people close to me slowly whittle away intellect, memory, personality, inspiration and most importantly, motivation"
Never thought to have a word with them? Just sat there and watched? Nice.
“I watched several people close to me slowly whittle away intellect, memory, personality, inspiration and most importantly, motivation”
You’ve just accurately described the effects of alcohol on my parents. Only you’ve missed out the physical and psychological abuse aspects along with the almost daily fear and sadness of being a child in that situation. Alcohol is legal because it’s the safe drug kids, yay!
Had a couple of drags on a joint as a student (I sound like a politician) can't say it did much for me, had some resin via a brownie a couple of years back and it just made we want to eat (which is the last thing I need help with). My ex smoked weed regularly but wasn't your typical stoner, she'd just have a joint in the evening to chill out a bit (she was hyper generally though)
If there was a regulated market there would be no drug gangs.
While I lean to decriminalisation for some drugs, the mix of a lack of critical thinking and wilful niavity on the part of some of the pro legalisation posters on this site is a bit "blue sky" sometimes
I spent most of my undergraduate years stoned every day, it served a purpose, I hated Univeristy and it got me through it. Not tried it since and no real interest in it.
Amazed at how prevelant it is now though, most days when I'm cycling to / from work etc I pass people smoking the stuff walking down the street (also smells 10x stronger than it used to be). You wouldn't have been so brazen in the 80s...
BITD I inherited a hydroponics growing kit from a pot-head relative, set it up in my greenhouse and used it to grow tomatos. The local hydroponics supply shop soon cottoned on that I was the only 'straight' customer they had, everybody else was growing weed. When you look at the number of hydroponic shops there are (most towns have one) there must be loads of folk growing their own.
Anyway, back to the OP, there used to be a free newspaper given away in hydroponics shops that had loads of advice on the different strains, growing tips, how to imbibe etc. If there's a shop near you could be worth popping in to pick up a copy and whilst you're there, have a look around, there's a massive community of growers out there 🙂
Never taken drugs (other than alcohol) but tempted with CBD oil for pain (following fractured spine). A lass at work swears by the cheap Holland and Barrett hemp seeds - might be worth a go, before ordering the proper stuff (very expensive).
The local hydroponics supply shop soon cottoned on that I was the only ‘straight’ customer they had, everybody else was growing weed.
They should have asked you to no longer shop there as you were damaging their reputation....
Most of the stuff on sale now is genetically modified
If by "genetically modified" you mean selectively bred, then yes, yes, it is, just like everything you eat or drink with the exception of water.
Did you know, and I only found this out the other day, that Oranges are not a naturally occurring fruit
The orange is a hybrid between pomelo (Citrus maxima) and mandarin (Citrus reticulata).[2][6] The chloroplast genome, and therefore the maternal line, is that of pomelo.[7] The sweet orange has had its full genome sequenced.[2]
I spent most of my undergraduate years stoned every day, it served a purpose, I hated University and it got me through it. Not tried it since and no real interest in it.
I knew a few people who smoked every day, in fact pretty much all day, every day. I remember a few who'd shuffle about at 08:30, moving like an 80 year old until they had their 'first spliff of the day'.
Dependency of any drug at that level is always a bad thing, I don't know if it's a symptom of prohibition or not, but if you were like that before your 'first beer of the day' you'd hope your friends would be begging you to see someone, but it, at the time anyway, seemed pretty normal for a lot of people.
There does seem to be this theory with some people who are really into it that Cannabis is this wonder thing that can solve all the the problems of the world, how it's basically a cure for every illness and the solution to all the worlds problems in one form or other.
They should have asked you to no longer shop there as you were damaging their reputation….
They seemed to be genuinly interested in how the systems worked with different plants, they would typically grow sweet pepper seedlings in their demonstration set-ups and then pass them on to me to bring on in the greenhouse. There seemed to be a mix of clientelle, ranging from the small set-ups for personal use to the industrial set-ups which I imagine just went to big dealers.................
If by “genetically modified” you mean selectively bred, then yes, yes, it is, just like everything you eat or drink with the exception of water.
I read the other day that 6 of the 7 major strains of wheat we now grow didn't exist 50 years ago..
As for water, we now "breed it" with billions of nano-plastic particles added, so definitely different to how it used to be 😉
The stoner sweat smell it etched into my memory from Uni days. It's really not nice, felt like burning my flat mates clothes and bedding as it was all saturated with the smell. Used to quite like the smell of the weed itself but not really any more. It is a shame it has been bred stronger but that is human nature - take something relatively harmless and fun and ruin it.
I tried some a few years ago and I didn’t like it, doesn’t seem to relax you at all any more, it’s more like a stimulant, mind racing a million miles an hour but not really functioning. ‘the buzz’ was just unpleasant to me.
Sounds like you were using a Sativa while expecting an Indica
I haven't really heavily schmoked ever. Friends were a bit more into it and would share it about,
I've got some great memories of cycling over the downs in the middle of summer and then smoking a big fat one on top of some burial mounds and just melting into the landscape for half an hour. Absolutely lovely feeling.
Wandering round the streets on a wet evening getting mashed doesn't really appeal.
Sadly, when people say they've smelt weed around town, I suspect it's more likely to be spice which always (powerfully) smells the same. I remember walking the best bit of a mile across central Manchester 15 years ago and there wasn't a moment when I couldn't smell weed, people pushing buggies on a Saturday afternoon with a spliff on etc. These days it's just spice and that's a completely different ball game. I passed a couple of trendy teenage girls in Liverpool recently who were smoking spice. Blimey that saddened and depressed me even though I maintain very liberal views on the matter. 'Good cop, bad war' is a very good read on this subject. Overall, I'd say alcohol does more damage but no drug has no downside.
I used to smoke weed - a lot. Big group of extended friends were all smokers & looking back, the sheer volumes of if we smoked was absolutely bonkers.
We wern't big drinkers, so it was social thing. Personally I used to prefer the Indica stains, we would sit & chill out, play a bit of Xbox, get the inevitable munchies, listen to music, laugh a hell of a lot and that was life for a few years. We had a full hydro setup for some homegrown which actually went surprisingly well, given we didn't really have a clue what we were doing 🙂
There came a point where I/we wondered what life was like without it, for me it took the 'edge' of a mundane but stressful job, which paid well, but I hated it. There came a point probably 18 or so months before I smoked for the last time I was fed up with wasting weekends absolutely baked on the sofa or in the garden in the sun & decided to buy an MTB. All of a sudden I had something else to do, & slowly the amounts reduced down & I stopped smoking.
Funnily enough I went to Amsterdam a few weeks ago with my other half & whilst we were there, it felt a bit rude not to at least go to a coffee shop and give it a go, she'd never really tried it before so wanted to see what it was like, and well I fancied having a smoke for old times sake.
Firstly, it wasn't the experience I was really looking for, I always associated smoking with being very chilled out; big comfy sofas, etc. All the central places which were 'must do' were like being an extra in a grime video. Full of rude boys, loud house music, flashing lights & people pulling whiteys everywhere. urgh.
Found a little cafe which was much more like I expected. Smoked a joint between us & we were both absolutely battered off it, and it was the weakest on the 'menu'. The tram ride was bonkers back & we were both totally out of it. I've never really felt like that before smoking weed, so it was really odd. maybe it's an indication of things moving on in the last 10 years, but it certainly wasn't enjoyable like it used to be.
Plus I got the fuzzy stoner hangover the next day. I don't miss it one bit.
This thread is hilarious and alarming in equal measure....
Cannabis will become legallised - it's an industry worth billions of dollars in the US and big money brings changes in politics not ethics or morality.
Is cannabis bad?
Yes it can be bad, particularly if you're predisposed to mania, psychosis or paranoia. But these people are rare despite what the Daily Mail would have you believe.
It can make you lazy and eat too much too.
Is it as bad as booze?
Absolutely not - it doesn't cause a fraction of the harm booze does. Some who drinks wine every night will be causing far more damage to their body than someone who vapourises cannabis every day
Are there positive effects?
There are many including pain killing properties, anti-depressant qualities and more just google it.
Is it fun?
Yes it's really fun and much nicer than being drunk, but you need to be careful not to make it habitual and take breaks regularly or you end up in a rut.
Do you have to smoke strong skunk?
No there are people out there who sell weaker strains. You can also control the strength of cannabis in an electronic vapouriser. Different cannaboids vapourise at different temperatures, so if you know what you're doing it doesn't matter what you've got you'll be able to get the same effects.
Can you ride a bike on cannabis?
Have you seen a 50to01 video????!!!!
Partake off and on. Love a big fat joint before watching a movie or listening to some music, sitting in the great outdoors looking at the view. Never driven stoned or drunk for that matter. Quite hard to source what I would term normal weed, not skunk as I find that too strong. I only smoke in nice calm environments and with a couple of good friends. Probably compare a joint to maybe a couple of gin and tonics. They’re not the same but that’s the best comparison I can give you. Name any product you drink or ingest in any form and there will be a hundred horror stories regarding it somewhere.
Will it be legal in the UK one day? Absolutely. When it will be I have no idea. The only people who don’t want it legal that I know are the preachy hysterical types and those currently making vast sums of money out of it.
It’s shit and I never have and never will need any. I find people who are high incredibly irritating and try very hard to avoid engaging with them in any way.
So you've never had any yet you know its sh*t........? You're stoned and talking sh*t more like. How can you say that with certainty? Now that is incredibly irritating. If anyone on hear should have a spliff........
Some people can get very annoying on drugs - think of those annoying drunks
Friend now works in drug healthcare after a decade in alcohol related care......alcohol is easily the worse(IHO). But hey, its legal and available on every street corner so its fine, much better to get home and have a glass of wine than a smoke, isn't it.
Was a student for 5 years in the early 90s, tried everything going drug wise as I wanted to know how it felt to be on them. Countless fun experiences, nice experiences, out of this world experiences, never a bad experience. Had everything from brown to weed and everything in between - not a single regret. Worst experiences and feelings were with alcohol.............but its legal so its OK, right?
The brain is complex and works on many different levels.......certain drugs open certain levels and for me personally every level I found was enjoyable. Your brain needs stimulants to open up areas that are otherwise closed..........oh look, just like alcohol does.
Still do weed daily, nearing 50 years old now with good job, lovely wife (non-weeder) nice home, 2 daughters in their 20s (who have known all about my 'habit' since they were old enough to and have no problem with it as they say alcohol is much worse and they both participate in drinking at weekends).
Very rarely I have the powerful stuff (skunk), I couldn't do that daily and have anything to do for rest of day! Look at the powerful stuff as gin/vodka/whisky compared to the weaker shandy/snowball....a huge difference. Its like when John Snow did that documentary a few years ago that was unbelievably bias - all the none-smokers were given skunk ffs, that's like giving a none-drinker some spirits, not weak lager.
It does annoy me though seeing al the scallies round town openly smoking skunk spliffs (definitely not spice) and it gives all weed smoker a bad name, no need.
Its not for everyone though re menatal health and addictive personalities should stay away.
Legalise it, tax it, whole of society benefits.
Do I drink alcohol?............yes, but certainly not daily
"Tried it twice and threw up twice"...........you were doing it wrong then, far too much (or had had an alcoholic drink prior to trying it)
What am I trying to say? God knows, I'm obviously too stoned! (not really, just gobsmacked by some of the narrow mindedness on here)
Haven't smoked for years and am pretty glad that's the case.
The thing I do miss though is having a smoke and listening to an epic bit of music, and getting thoroughly lost and immersed in it.
I'm not reading all that shit, but if you want user feedback for grass or any other drug for that matter, head over to erowid.org
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Re. genetically modified, it isn't, but it has been selectively bred, like chickens.
Re. having taken it being an admission of possession, well you'd have to be found in possession of it. Obviously logically if you have taken the drug then you must have been in possession of it one time, but that isn't grounds for prosecution.
The other point which has come up a couple of times is the "I tried it several times but it didn't do anything for me". This is quite typical. It seems to be an acquired effect.
The nature of the stuff that is available has certainly changed over the years. It used to be grown by peasant farmers in Morocco, Afghanistan or ****stan. Now it is more likely to come from the basement of a detached house in Surrey. What was once a mild effect can be very different these days. I think this is why you hear of people suffering serious mental issues associated with Cannabis smoking.
As a drug it isn't very compatible with actually getting anything done - it's a bit of a loser's drug.
In answer to the OP's original question I'm not sure there is any point in trying to describe how it feels to take any specific drug. If the likes of Coleridge and de Quincey can't nail it then most of us are wasting our time. The good news is that you can give it a go and you won't get "hooked", but you might have to persist a bit.
We should organise an STW pot heads ride, where no one manages to leave the carpark and just sit around chilling for a few hours talking about riding..
I was banned for that
As a drug it isn’t very compatible with actually getting anything done – it’s a bit of a loser’s drug.
Whereas drunk folk are well known for their high level functioning.
As a drug it isn’t very compatible with actually getting anything done – it’s a bit of a loser’s drug.
Whereas drunk folk are well known for their high level functioning.
I'm yet to find a drug better than caffeine for improved performance in the workplace.
You might fancy that Coke or Speed might help, but in reality you just do less quicker.
As a drug it isn’t very compatible with actually getting anything done – it’s a bit of a loser’s drug.
Unless you’re a musician in a successful stoner rock band.
As a drug it isn’t very compatible with actually getting anything done – it’s a bit of a loser’s drug.
I would disagree. I know a lot of people that smoke and are still very productive.
It all depends on that person's mindset and their consumption.
I know one lawyer who uses it to help concentrate when reading long documents.
I used to be more focused when drawing plans for jobs. Was less distracted. Not had a smoke for a long time now, mind.
I know a few pro guys who ride and are mixing it up with the top 30% in the EWS who smoke more joints in a day than I ever could. One on each uplift last time I rode with them.
So you’ve never had any yet you know its sh*t……..? You’re stoned and talking sh*t more like. How can you say that with certainty? Now that is incredibly irritating. If anyone on hear should have a spliff……..
Perhaps if you hadn't smoked as much you would be able to understand English a little better. I guess pot is your first language. I didn't say I'd never tried it.
The OP didn't ask for it to be compared to other drugs, including alcohol.
The title of the post is. "Talk to me about weed." It was a while back. Do you remember?
bigjim, you’ve just described genetic modification 🙂 just because it’s not done in a lab does not mean that the genes aren’t being modified. Pretty much everything you eat has been genetically modified. Bloody farmers
No, you're talking rubbish, please stop.
Look at a scientific definition of genetic modification eg
https://www2.gov.scot/Topics/farmingrural/Agriculture/Environment/15159/definition