[Closed] talk to me about Herbalife

Eat a balanced diet.

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I thought this snake oil went out of favour years ago- it's multi level marketing, with no proven effectiveness.

that is what I am trying to do dtf 😉

OK I'll avoid Herbalife then thanks vinnyeh 😯

I thought as much when I started looking into it 😕

Isn't there something called the iDave diet that rears its ugly head from time to time that according to users has proven to be very effective?

that is what I am trying to do dtf

Sort that and you wont need herbal life (probably, I dont really know what it is)

ask idave for advice about herbalife.
he is well informed about it............. 😀

OK cheers Ton 😀

Better informed than you may think Ton my lad - my old man lost a load of pounds (£'s) in the 80's with herbalife. Aside from the dubious business model, you can lose weight more effectively and without giving up food for powdered snake oil.

Dave, i missed this 😉

iDave can you share some wisdom my way please?

Don't want to get all preachy, but if you're interested in just how far nutritionists, etc will go to part you from you cash, read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science book.

Pyramid marketing/Ponzi scheme.

Also see Amway and others.

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Errm, I maybe a lone voice here but I've certainly know Herbalife be very useful to people, including myself, who wanted to lose weight but keep or gain muscle mass.

It seems to me that Herbalife has two parts to it: 1) tailored advice that gives you a target for how much protein and how many calories a day to achieve (i.e. something to inform what "a balanced diet" may actually be - it may not be what you were expecting!) and 2) food products (shakes, bars, etc.) that help you achieve these goals.

Once you know your protein and kcal target you don't actually need to buy/use any Herbalife products as you can achieve the same end results just by closely monitoring what you eat. However, achieving your protein goal while not exceeding your kcal goal is challenging and this is where the Herbalife products help out.

I am not at all the kind of person who you'd ever expect to find going on a "shake diet" (besides, it's much more than just shakes - lots of healthy "real food" too) but my own experience tells me that it has a lot going for it. It definitely can help you to lose the fat and gain muscle. Perfect if you have a training goal in mind, as I do.

As far as expense goes, although the products are not cheap because they replace a chunk of your normal diet the overall cost works out about the same or cheaper in my experience.

Even if you don't fancy a diet like this the basic principle of having a high level of protein in your diet is a sound one. High protein levels support muscle development and also keep you feeling fuller for longer (useful when trying to cut down on calorie intake - even M&S have a range of food and advertising based on the principle).

The main benefit I have found is that my recovery from hard training sessions is much improved. I've often caught myself running upstairs the day after a heavy session the night before and realising that my legs feel great, not heavy and screaming at me to stop. This is a good thing! 🙂

vinnyeh: What has informed your point of view on this? I'm interested to know why you have such a low opinion of it.

Having just re-read what I've written it comes off like I'm a paid up Herbalife marketing machine. I'm not, I've simply found the whole experience to have been very positive.

I'd never have heard of Herbalife if it wasn't for this man:

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are there any products which are sold exclusively through multi-level marketing that are not utter gash?

Herbalife the product may not be terrible - by the low standards of magic diet products - but the biz model is really suspect.

Once you know your protein and kcal target you don't actually need to buy/use any Herbalife products as you can achieve the same end results just by closely monitoring what you eat. However, achieving your protein goal while not exceeding your kcal goal is challenging and this is where the Herbalife products help out.

One of us can tell you this for free.

How much do you weigh now?
How tall are you?
How much do you want to weigh?
How quickly do you want to get there?
What are your overall fitness goals?

Don't want to get all preachy, but if you're interested in just how far nutritionists, etc will go to part you from you cash, read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science book.

+1

Ben Goldacre should be made an honorary member of Myth Busters.

The wife's aunt peddled this stuff, she's still fat...

And she's an annoying blood-sucking waste of oxygen, but I can't pin that on herbalife 🙄

read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science book.

TBH, this is good advice for everyone.

A guy i used to work with got sucked in to the herbalife business model and was going to make his fortune and drive a ferrari. He lost a lot of money. Dunno what the products are like, but are there any pyramid selling schemes basedon decent products that stand up on their own merits?

There's loads of free advice on how much to eat & exercise etc.

try myfitnesspal.com - also available as an app for the usual suspects