Where is photoshop when you need it?
Few people have any respect, understanding or compassion for the planet that sustains them.
Plenty of people do. If you polled people to see if they should cut trees down or not, the overwhelming majority would say no. The problem is that we are part of a machine that we cannot control. The people in charge will say 'oh we love trees BUT blablabla' and they cite other reasons that they consider out of their control to do anything about.
The problem isn't people (except for a few high profile cases as above) it's the world we live in that is more or less out of control and no-one feels they can do anything about it.
Below is copied and pasted from a friend's FB profile (she was devastated yesterday - owns a working farm not far from the site). Anyway, a friend of hers shared the below to help ease her emotions...
Acers (European sycamores are Acer Pseudoplanatus) react very well to cutting and respond with strong regrowth. They used to be coppiced to stumps to regrow into fresh poles harvested on a 15 year cycle. In a few weeks it'll be covered in shoots and new growth, next year it'll be a thicket of branches, and in 5 years maybe 30 feet high. It'll arise phoenix like from its ruin. (He's an arborist).
Turn it into a holographic 3D experience like ABBA. You can even get a holographic Morgan Freeman to appear at random intervals. Works wonders at Universal Studios, crowds queuing for hours to see a holographic Harry Potter on a broomstick
(for those w/o a SoH, it's an absolute disgrace. Never been there, never seen it but still oddly angry - even though there are hundreds and thousands of other trees being cut down every year by idiots I can't explain why this has such an impact)
^^^ This is true, but they look gash.
One of the things about the gap sycamore was its proportions and shape relative to its surroundings was perfect. A coppice tree will just be a mess.
They'd be better off installing some sort of Angel of the North style impressive artwork I reckon. Something roman styled would be good. Edge of the Empire and all that.
They’d be better off installing some sort of Angel of the North style impressive artwork I reckon. Something roman styled would be good. Edge of the Empire and all that.
or they could just let the tree grow back rather than some twee manmade sculpture.
One of the things about the gap sycamore was its proportions and shape relative to its surroundings was perfect.
A coppice tree will just be a mess
I guess so, I was just relaying what I'd heard.
This was a particular highlight for me and my walking buddy when we completed the Hadrian's Wall walk with work to raise money for charity. I'm glad I've got a few pics of it as was.
One of the things about the gap sycamore was its proportions and shape relative to its surroundings was perfect. A coppice tree will just be a mess.
An ideal reminder that nature is important, and resilient, even when it looks shit, then.
Not that I'm implying it's not ok to be upset about this particular tree when there are others unnecessarily felled, btw.
I just can't get my head around why you would cut it down.
In a few weeks it’ll be covered in shoots and new growth
And a high security fence, cctv and notices saying please don't cut down the tree.
or they could just let the tree grow back rather than some twee manmade sculpture.
But the 'tree' won't grow back, a random bushy looking mess will grow in its place. I guess people might come and see that...
Plankey Mill...
or they could just let the tree grow back rather than some twee manmade sculpture.
Why would it need to be twee? It could be really impressive. Then taken down in 300 years when the new sycamore has regrown.
"possibly going to tie myself to the next tree in danger. "
I've done that.. bit scarry. But worth it for the fight for the environment. But sadly the developers got their way, they truly exercised their right to destroy :-(.
If you want a miserable ( but a good read) if you hav'nt already read Who Owns England and the Book of Trespass. If you don't own the land, you are nothing 🙁
All in all, it seems to me, that we don't know what we've got till it's gone.
I've been thinking about it all day today, god it's so bewildering why anyone would do this. And it's the same for all these trees that get felled, unnecessarily or for no reason.
I'm lucky, I live amongst trees, next to a forest. But it doesn't make the loss of a beautiful tree miles away any easier.
My only answer right now is to acknowledge the tree will survive, it will grow back. Different of course, although I'll never know. And that what has happened will, in time, become the story of the tree.
They’d be better off installing some sort of Angel of the North style impressive artwork I reckon. Something roman styled would be good. Edge of the Empire and all that.
I've got a plan, they can just borrow the singing ringing tree.
I was devastated to see this. Never been there, probably never will.
Across the field from our house in coastal Ceredigion a new, local, millionaire caravan park owner bought the caravan park opposite.
within days he had his people cut down about half an acre of designated ancient woodland.
No permission or open request made.
we lost bats and owls. Otter poo was also seen at the base of the woodland where it met the stream.
I made his life hell and managed to delay his works for about a year, but ultimately there was no penalty and he got to build what he wanted anyway, just a year later - a gargantuan concrete retaining wall in place of ancient woodland.
It still boils my blood particularly because that is now the view from the back of house.
The council and NRW did nothing. 😔
Mini rant over. Sympathy for what’s happened at the gap in abundance.
I was devastated to see this. Never been there, probably never will.
Across the field from our house in coastal Ceredigion a new, local, millionaire caravan park owner bought the caravan park opposite.
within days he had his people cut down about half an acre of designated ancient woodland.
This absolutely makes me incandescent with rage. These people need plonking on an island, one way ticket only.
Shouldn't the sentence be to 'make good' by tending the tree until it regrows to its former size and shape?
Ditto, for Sheffield's tree hating councillors!
A 60 year old has now been arrested.
Why would it need to be twee? It could be really impressive. Then taken down in 300 years when the new sycamore has regrown.
It has an established root system already, the tree will grow substantially with a few years. Far better than a manmade structure will be seeing a tree mature.
I wonder what the cost of this in lost visitor revenue is for the NT and local economy.
It's still a nice walk but I bet it was the tree that drew in a fair few.
The council and NRW did nothing. 😔
Seems a regular occurrence that people like this run rings around the EA and councils.
Drac
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A 60 year old has now been arrested.
His name will be released if charged I'm guessing. He won't be too popular, especially if he lives local to that area...
Regardless of who they are, the biggest question is what exactly was their justification for doing it? As pointed out, it can’t possibly be ‘get orf moi laaand’, ‘cos it can’t possibly be their land!
It just beggars belief that anyone could have an issue with a bloody tree that in no way could possibly be an issue for anyone around there.
Lock the **** up until a) it grows back or b) he hands over the funds to have it replaced with an identical one.
CountZero
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Regardless of who they are, the biggest question is what exactly was their justification for doing it? As pointed out, it can’t possibly be ‘get orf moi laaand’, ‘cos it can’t possibly be their land!
It just beggars belief that anyone could have an issue with a bloody tree that in no way could possibly be an issue for anyone around there.
I've already made a few assumptions about the type of bloke in my head.
Second arrest
im syc-a-more people being implicated in this
I've been climbing with a guy today who used to bivvy under that tree back in the 60s when climbing at Peel Crag and Crag Lough.
That tree meant a lot of things to a lot of people.
he hands over the funds to have it replaced with an identical one.
You mean they don't give credit at the 300-year-old tree shop?
he hands over the funds to have it replaced with an identical one
hmmmmm I sense a slight problem with that
hmmmmm I sense a slight problem with that
He should be made to assemble a duplicate, full size one from matchsticks and if it isn't upto snuff, start again until it's done right.
Then chop his balls off.
CountZero
Regardless of who they are, the biggest question is what exactly was their justification for doing it?
I also want to know their reasons for cutting down the tree.
My only guess is that the person is annoyed by many people visiting the tree, walking on his land and parking cars near his land etc. As a result, The person has taken his anger out of the tree.
What is the biggest size of tree that can be relocated?
I was involved in a new school in Myanmar. I suggested more trees for shade.
The end of the week a row of trucks, a digger and a crane arrived. And I was asked where they should plant the 30foot+ tall, 18" trunk
diameter trees they had bought.... By the end of the day [s]we [/s] they had planted 30 trees around the school and moved the snake fencing around them.
Regardless of who they are, the biggest question is what exactly was their justification for doing it? As pointed out, it can’t possibly be ‘get orf moi laaand’, ‘cos it can’t possibly be their land!
It just beggars belief that anyone could have an issue with a bloody tree that in no way could possibly be an issue for anyone around there.
there’s a lot of easily angered people who can get incredibly angry over things that the rest of us find trivial.
it’s feasible to me that it is someone who is pissed off this the Insta fans traipsing over their land, parking in stupid places etc. it’s telling that some of the people who are most pissed off are upset either because they had recently been there and taken pics or because they had it on a bucket list! Covid and insta have brought a lot of people to places that were previously largely ignored. Whether this was the motivation or not; those people need to reflect on whether ticking it off a list or grabbing a picture is as harm free as it first sounds.
it’s also feasible to me that it’s a pissed off (ex)employee, if you think people get upset over stupid petty stuff (like parking and business) then by god do they get upset if they fall out with an employer.
weirder, but possible is that it’s a statement about environmental impact. Why is it ok to cut down 200 trees over here but not one over there? In that sense it’s no more bonkers than just stop oil or maybe even some banksy art. Simply because it was a nice view isn’t really that compelling an answer. It’s sentimentality might be but if 100s of people drive to visit it - does it’s environmental downside outweigh its upside? Those arguments certainly gave me more pause for thought than any “art” I’ve seen for years…
i don’t believe any of them are good enough excuses or justifications but I’m pretty sure this isn’t mindless - it was done to make a statement. Potentially the best way for that statement to be heard is to be caught and tried in a court where the press will almost certainly publicise it widely!
Or indeed a sly move by Northumberland National Park to increase publicity 😜
I’ve already made a few assumptions about the type of bloke in my head.
Well, yes, so have I, but I can’t publish them here, without reprisals!
it’s feasible to me that it is someone who is pissed off this the Insta fans traipsing over their land,
But the land around it is National Trust land, so of no relevance to anyone else.
That's a thought provoking post by Poly. I still think the people that did it are pricks, and don't 'agree' with the logical outcome* but an audit of the number of people that drive to visit and take selfies there compared to the good the tree did (taking aside that essentially trees are good just by being) - this was an act of environmental kindness.
Yes, we know that we need to make sacrifices to our way of life in order for the greater good and in some cases those changes will be painful The tree had to go.....
Hmmm........ there's a pub discussion.
* as in - logic is sound but I don't like the outcome
I think people may be disappointed with the outcome for the offender. Presumably the tree has a TPO type thing on its what offence has the person caused other than cut down a tree with a TPO (which is typically a fine of a £1,000 or so where I live) or is it different t than that?
In the eyes of the law it is a tree and how famous that tree is doesn't make any difference just the same as if I murder a famous person it is not different that me murdering Bob down the road.
but an audit of the number of people that drive to visit and take selfies there compared to the good the tree did
People do actually go there to see the most dramatic sections of Hadrians Wall not just the much less old but (was) perfectly placed tree. Removing the tree won’t massively impact visitor numbers but will cause a drop in midnight photographers bumbling about the place. Which tbh knowing what twunts a few of the tenant farmers are in the vicinity could be their ill thought reasoning for such a terrible overreaction crime.
