My young boys normally read my copy of Singletrack. It’s a shame you have to print swear words
My solution is to go through and cover them up with a big black marker but it does hurt me defacing my magazine.
Apart from the swear words the magazine looks great.
pretty ironic when the forum is fairly tight on the swear filter
Like they won't have heard or seen them anywhere else...
It's OK - let them read it. It's making them cleverer.
I hate to think how you feel when they make it to primary school. 🙂
pretty ironic when the forum is fairly tight on the swear filter
Yeah. Bloody shit innit.
The only word that offended me was eB**e - there is no room for that kind of filth in a family magazine.
My young kids know what swear words are because they have ears and go to school. There are worse things they could be exposed to on a daily basis.
pretty ironic when the forum is fairly tight on the swear filter
Yeah but putting black marker over your screen would get annoying.
I wondered where the swear words were and then realised - Rob Warner interview 😂😂😂
Just wait until next month, I hear there's a a review of a Gusset product..
Grown-up magazine innit, us grownups can say "F * ** sideways ***** ** ****** with a traffic cone" whenever we feel fit.
I don't have kids, so feel free to completely ignore me, but could you not explain about what the words words mean and when is appropriate to use them, rather than shelter them? They probably know them already, anyway.
Hate to break it to you, but out of earshot your young boys are already using words that'd make Malcolm Tucker blush.
I am not a parent, but would "daddy, why is there black marks all over this?" not create more problems than it solves? Honestly, I think redacting a bike magazine is weird behaviour. Sorry. You're going to shit yourself when they discover Pornhub.
I don’t believe in the concept of ‘bad language’ and find it really bizarre how certain words become forbidden.
i know where you’re coming from, though i disagree, but not completely and please excuse this bad attempt to get my idea across.
**** for example, we all know it’s literal meaning, but it is used as an exclamation of wonder or anger. if your child learned the word at home or in school and asked you to explain what it meant, would you feel comfortable having this conversation? it is a word used in regular speech that denotes something that you perhaps don’t want to discuss in polite company.
likewise c**nt, but this has the added badness of using a word for female genitals to describe a person in a negative way. true also of prick but not female genitals or as grave an insult.
i have a suspicion that these words existed in the native language of britons prior to some takeover by an invading force and were considered inferior, less dignified than the language of the invaders and pushed out of acceptable use.
It’s OK – let them read it. It’s making them cleverer.
I hate to think how you feel when they make it to primary school. 🙂
if they are reading well enough to get through singletrack before starting primary school i don’t think it’s the swearing that made them smart 😜
You’re going to shit yourself when they discover Pornhub
Probably a category for that on P’hub 🙂
Are Pornhubs better than Hope hubs?
**** for example, we all know it’s literal meaning, but it is used as an exclamation of wonder or anger. if your child learned the word at home or in school and asked you to explain what it meant, would you feel comfortable having this conversation? it is a word used in regular speech that denotes something that you perhaps don’t want to discuss in polite company.
I don’t know it’s meaning because I can’t read the word. Is it **** or ****?
Curse you swear filter!
Are Pornhubs better than Hope hubs?
Something something ratchet something lube something something nipples 😳
There’s a ma****ne?
OI! Stop that swearing on here 😉
likewise c**nt, but this has the added badness of using a word for female genitals to describe a person in a negative way
Unless you're in the east end of that London, where it could be a term of endearment. "Alright, me old....."
i know where you’re coming from, though i disagree, but not completely and please excuse this bad attempt to get my idea across.
I don't feel like you're really disagreeing with me and I get what you mean. If you want to get into the literal meanings of certain words you're going to have some grim conversations that's all part of being a parent. Like explaining that the family dog didn't go to live on a farm or why grandad has gone bald and yellow.
We've got a 2 year old and the Mrs acts like we have to protect his delicate little ear drums from certain words as if he's not going to hear them on day 1 at primary school. Her brother has a 1 year old daughter and if someone says "shit" in front of her he acts like there's been a gun shot. I just find it amusing and a bit ridiculous.
The mother in law will scowl and tut at anyone who mutters an F word but will happily detail to anyone who will listen how we should deal with trans people and immigrants. I'd much prefer her to be a foul mouthed lefty.
Ours is going to know in no uncertain terms that he can't tell me or his mother to F off and he can't talk to teachers and family like they're his navy comrades. When he's with his mates I know he'll be Tuckering up big time.
Oh and anyone with teenagers, they 1000% know what Pornhub is.
Time and a place for it and depends on how young. Really young like my son who is nearly 4 I'd rather not just yet as he doesn't understand the concept and will therefore just randomly shout out the word(s) at the most inappropriate time. At the moment bum crack is the naughty word that all the kids get in trouble for at his childminder's place 🤣. When you can actually have a conversation with the child and they understand the meaning then fair enough. I'll still refrain from swearing in front of him for some time yet as I don't need to normalise it. I do like a good swear still.
Yep theres oddly another use of swear words as very friendly terms of endearment.
I always found the warmest and most sincere greetings I’ve had were always probably the most sweary.
I don’t feel like you’re really disagreeing with me and I get what you mean.
i agree.
i know one little boy who heard swear words in his home. but he only hears them when his parent are well into the red. he knows that they are bad.
this same little boy told his dad that he had to find other children to play with at lunchtime because the boys playing with cars were having a swearing competition.
Made me think of South Park the Movie, the Terrence and Philip film the kids go to see, their stunned reaction cracks me up.
Donkey raping ass master. Inspired.
I'm also fascinated by why certain words are so offensive and others are not. It's just words, I can go on a duck hunt any time I like but change two letters, or even say it quickly out loud and !!!!!
Also fascinating - so it was explained to me; the services (maybe just army, maybe all) F and C all the time so they have almost lost meaning among other soldiers. So, they need a term that labels someone in such a derogatory way that it's worse than calling them a C - and the word settled on is fella. I used to go to a military run bootcamp and for a few weeks after every session I'd wave goodbye with a cheery 'thanks fellas' or 'see you fellas next week' and the two instructor's heads would swivel round - well, like someone had just called them a C to their face. In they end they took me aside and explained and I stopped doing it. (I still use it when appropriate outside of a military context, it's my secret now)
My young boys normally read my copy of Singletrack. It’s a shame you have to print swear words
Hand them one of your **** mags instead, lots of pretty pictures to look at
FWIW I don't think OP is entirely wrong. I'm pretty foul-mouthed but that doesn't mean swearing should appear in all media. Where STW falls on the spectrum...I suppose it depends on context.
But you wouldn't want swearing to become totally normalised, as it would lose its power. Imagine if people just went about yelling sempr*ni whenever they wanted...
I’m with OP here. Whilst I fully accept that kids know swear words I don’t think it’s ok to think that it’s normal or ok to swear-no need for it in a bike mag IMO.
Appreciate I’m in a small minority these days, but I fully respect anyone trying to protect the language their kids are exposed to.
(I still use it when appropriate outside of a military context, it’s my secret now)
Well you’ve ****ed up your little secret now fella
For anyone interested, the Freakonomics podcast on swearing is great
Becoming less of a fan of swearing lately. Fair enough some people enjoy swearing but some of us just prefer to hear less of it. Is it really so difficult to understand why people dislike it? The wikipedia page on Profanity spells it out in plain English if you're having trouble.
It’s my secret now)
Not much of a secret as I remember reading it on here before... which makes it sound like urban legend. Or they were ****ing with you.
I'm comfortable with swearing with people I know well and in certain contexts, but unexpected swearing sometimes puts me on edge!
But then saying all this one of the swear words I read on the above wikipedia came unexpectedly (oi oi) and caused amusement.
I'm excited now to see what bad words are in the new mag.
Is it really so difficult to understand why people dislike it? The wikipedia page on Profanity spells it out in plain English if you’re having trouble.
Not really. Takes a dive in to religion. Swearing has its place. Nothing better than a well placed expletive when you injure yourself or are shocked in some way. What is truly sinister is the creepy bastards who replace swear words with other words. If you’re going to do it, do it right for ****s sake.
I don’t think OP is entirely wrong. I’m pretty foul-mouthed but that doesn’t mean swearing should appear in all media.
I swear too much. But swearing is all about context, this is the lesson I'd be teaching if I were a parent. I'm in my 50s and still I wouldn't use the F-word in front of my mother except in extreme circumstances (or if I accidentally blurt it out). It's nothing to do with swear words being sweary, it's about respect and some sense of politeness.
Teaching kids that it's unacceptable whilst knowing that they'll swear like a blind cobbler as soon as you're out of earshot gives them a harmless little bit of rebellion. I'd rather they secretly took up swearing than A-class drugs.
IMHO IANAP etc.
Yeah but putting black marker over your screen would get annoying.
Tippex for screens!
Not much of a secret as I remember reading it on here before… which makes it sound like urban legend. Or they were **** with you.
I've mentioned it before, so same source. But:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fellas&page=2 (scroll down, contains bad words, so don't show your Mum / Kids. Unless they're soldiers themselves)
For those that don’t have the mag yet, the article referred to is the Rob Warner interview. We actually put an explanation/warning in before the start of the article, because usually we don’t include swearing. But in the case of a Rob Warner interview, editing it all out would make the article look like astronomy.
Don’t worry, it’s not going to become the norm.
