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Very simple and the NHS needs your support
[url= http://action.peoplesnhs.org/page/s/clegg-take-the-nhs-out-of-ttip ]Support The NHS[/url]
Done doned it.
what is TTIP?
Done...
Surprised so little of people has signed, to how many people whom actually will depend on the NHS if in an accident or unwell !
Done
Surprised so little of people has signed,
Petition fatigue.
Petition fatigue.
Oh great, another strain on the NHS
[i]Surprised so little of people has signed, to how many people whom actually will depend on the NHS if in an accident or unwell ! [/i]
I've supported the NHS all my working life, paying my taxes.
I even worked for them for a year (at probably 33% of my normal wages), and eventually gave up as it was impossible to do a professional job in that 'culture' - from the Politicians downwards...
I have already been taxed.
The whole NHS needs rethinking not just incremental changes coz that will never work.
The horse is dead.
😯
edit: I like it to be free but at some point it will break ...
I thought I supported it every month out of my wages? However I will click the link and read.
I even worked for them for a year (at probably 33% of my normal wages), and eventually gave up as it was impossible to do a professional job in that 'culture'
I've worked for them for 25 years and do a professional job every day. It has some issues and yes some of them are cultural but privatisation of the NHS will make it worse for everyone but those wanting to make millions.
Drac
People and companies already make millions out of the NHS, everything you buy is from the private sector
I.E. The ambulance you drive.
And bank nurses and locums at vast cost due to sickness and mgt/HR ineptitude
Drac
People and companies already make millions out of the NHS, everything you buy is from the private sector
No shit Sherlock.
But imagine having to pay for direct for you healthcare, paying premiums because of your family history, your job, your lifestyle and companies
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But imagine having to pay for direct for you healthcare, paying premiums because of your family history, your job, your lifestyle and companies
Whose policy is that ?
Before I sign it, can someone just clarify who "the people's NHS" are?
Just searched the charity commission website and no trace of thrm as a organisation? Who are they?
But imagine having to pay for direct for you healthcare, paying premiums because of your family history, your job, your lifestyle and companies
~~~!~!~~~!~~~woooooo~~~!~~!~~~~ booogymen around the corner.
cant see them, but confident they are there!
Anti TTIP unions hijacking emotive subject to put the kibbosh on a freetrade move that would undercut UK labour costs. What a surprise.
Dont you feel used, Drac?
Whose policy is that ?
Pretty standard for private healthcare in other countries.
FYI privatisation =/= private healthcare. HTH.
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Pretty standard for private healthcare in other countries.
Phew, thought you were talking about the UK for a moment.
Phew, thought you were talking about the UK for a moment.
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who "the people's NHS" are?
[url= http://www.peoplesnhs.org/about-peoples-nhs/ ]
[/url]Powered by local health professionals, and the community.
Supported by Unite the union
ooo, look, astroturf. QED
Ah, thanks Stoner, very interesting, I see the connections now, very disappointing 🙁
Shock Horror . Unite union fighting for members livelihood and rights to do a decent job in the face of government willfully destructive efforts.
The NHS is doomed and will need to be completly restructured. It's the political elephant in the room that no one will touch due to political suicide. A new system is required and quickley.
Ahh, so "The People's NHS" is part of the attempt to "weaponize the NHS".
Grantaway - are you a member of Unison ? Did you know, but not state to us, that The People's NHS is a sockpuppet for Unison ?
"members...rights to do a decent job"
what on earth is that supposed to mean? You've been drinking from the Union Kool-Aid sir.
what on earth is that supposed to mean? You've been drinking from the Union Kool-Aid sir.
Ohhhhhh yeah!
hope you tidy up after yourself now.
LHS
You really believe no one will touch it, when it's the pretty much the last public service left with american lobbyists demanding their slice of the pie.
If you are in hospital..
Your cleaning is privately supplied
Your food is privately supplied
Your bed is privately supplied
Your porters are privately supplied
The maintenance of the diagnostic equipment is privately supplied
Your physio and outpatient care privately supplied
Many of your nurses are also privately supplied since NHS nurses are leaving in droves, since without payrise in 3 years, they are far better paid working as locums..
Usual tactics under-fund, under-mine, privatise !!
i'm saying it needs to be privatised and is already stealthily part way through the process. No political leader will be bold enough to state that its fubared and propose wholesale reform though.
Your medicines were privately supplied
Your bandages were privately supplied
The water used to mop the floor was privately supplied
The disinfectant was privately supplied
The paper towels were privately supplied
The electricity was privately supplied
It's a veritable disaster!
to how many people whom actually will depend on the NHS if in an accident or unwell !
Some of us have no alternative but to pay for our own healthcare. Just off out for more private blood tests that have cost me nearly £250. 😐
your issue is with NICE/testing/treatment authorisation rather than whether NHS is privatised/nationalised or indeed free at the point of delivery/private healthcare is it not CG? Not really the same argument.
LHS
and I am saying its deliberately being fubared so it can be privatised.
Your medicines were privately supplied ... Overpriced
Your bandages were privately supplied ... Overpriced
The water used to mop the floor was privately supplied ... Overpriced
The disinfectant was privately supplied ... Overpriced
The paper towels were privately supplied ... Overpriced
The electricity was privately supplied ... Overpriced
OMG we cant afford an NHS cause its to expensive
Either we all pay more taxes to keep the NHS running as we imagine it to be, or we look at some sort of private healthcare, or we keep it as it is and accept that we cannot afford to keep everyone alive and healthy and some sort of rationing occurs.
None of the above appeal, frankly.
Or we stop the Trident Missile replacement programme and bounce the money to the NHS, we fix tax loopholes or introduce Robin Hood tax.
TTIP is another wedge driving the NHS into privatisation.
Overpriced or shamefully poor procurement?
Overpriced or shamefully poor procurement?
Both.
The paper towels were privately supplied ... Overpriced
I suggest that you're probably not old enough to remember when the government [b]did[/b] make paper towels and toilet paper
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I am, and I can tell you for sure that if you had used that stuff to wipe your arse, you wouldn't think that what we've got now is overpriced 😆
Or we
Paycap NHS staff at £100,000
Stop employing management consultants
Start sourcing medical consumables direct from manufacturers.
Shut down ( and buy out existing ) PFI deals
Take all IT back in house and stop using Microsoft etc.
Invest in Nurse training
Completely remove the whole commissioning structure and use taxes to pay for actual healthcare.
Bring all community Trusts back under the Acutes so they can be funded to provide the beds for bedblockers
Love how ninfan pretends to be curious about it before pretending to find out it is all a big plot by those evil scummy unions protecting their own interests over the public's.
If it helps you come to terms with what unions do, (although i realise that you are well aware of the differences and similarities already), you might in this case consider Unite as a poorly-skilled lobbyist that is not a patch on those true professionals lobbying in secret over £500-a-plate dinners for [s]ttip[/s] a better deal for the honest hardworking taxpayers.
Luxury!