^^ Yep, the GE is going to be properly nasty. It's going to be a true fight for the heart and soul of the country and what we wish to be in the 21st century.
I'll be staying up on GE night and I won't lie, I'm going to be inconsolable if the Tory's win enough seats to form a government.
The fear and intimidation the Jewish community have experienced over the weekend, according to Sunak.
I can't remember the last time I saw so many Jewish people in one day. Saw loads of Stars of David and quite a lot of kippahs.
Well done Ernie, you've represented many of us on here.
There were a (very) few Hamas supporters at the protest, from the BBC reports, and I don't doubt that there has been an increase in threats to the Jewish community, but the government seems to be overplaying it. From my few Jewish contacts in the UK, they are more concerned by the actions of the Israeli government than any risks over here.
It’s going to be a true fight for the heart and soul of the country and what we wish to be in the 21st century.
Probably the wrong thread, but I think Starmer needs to get his gloves off and push that line from now - put some clear water between this shitshow of a government and the alternative.
There were a (very) few Hamas supporters at the protest, from the BBC reports
I didn't see that on the BBC, just a report that the police saw a couple of people wearing scarves which might have had Hamas slogans written on them, and were at this stage looking into it.
Presumably they were written in Arabic so they need to find out if they should be offended.
I was wearing a Palestinian scarf today which I have had since the start of the Iraq War, it has a drawing of the Al-Aqsa Mosque in East Jerusalem on it and underneath the drawing a load of Arabic writing. I have absolutely no idea what it says 😁
@ernielynch I've been out in the woods with my son for the day, and I genuinely feared getting back into an area of phone reception and catching up on what had happened. A lot of what I have seen stirred so many feeling of dismay, sadness, and anger.
Seeing those images after all that bought a tear to my eye. Thank you, and thank you to all who added their voice to this number. That's beautiful.
I have absolutely no idea what it says
I have dobbed you into crimestoppers just in case.
I could do with a new bike.
Unfortunately Yvette Cooper's comments as reported in the Guardian aint that much better than Sunak.
"Today we have seen disgraceful scenes of far-right violence against police officers, and attempts to disrupt Armistice events, on a day when we pay our respect to all those who fought and died to protect our freedoms.
We have also seen appalling cases of antisemitic hate, intimidation, and support for terrorist groups like Hamas, which must be unequivocally condemned."
This all feels surreal, I know how we've got to this stage but still find it unbelievable that this is happening in the UK.
I’ll be staying up on GE night and I won’t lie, I’m going to be inconsolable if the Tory’s win enough seats to form a government.
Same here, it feels like it's the last chance to turn the country's future around. If the Tories stay in No. 10 then I really can't see any reason for staying here.
Well done Ernie, you’ve represented many of us on here.
Seconded.
I have absolutely no idea what it says 😁
Google translate?
Nice one Ernesto
Google translate?
I can't write Arabic! Google lense maybe?
Translates to.
Buy one get one free
It translates to
"This one is a mug, will buy any old shit".
Basically it is a positive sign for hawkers
We have also seen appalling cases of antisemitic hate, intimidation, and support for terrorist groups like Hamas, which must be unequivocally condemned.”
Have we? Beyond a couple of isolated individuals, not seen anything like that reported yet.
How many open goals can they miss?
Seeing those images after all that bought a tear to my eye.
Do you mean images of Jewish people on today's demo? There were loads, I took a few photos but it doesn't do justice to the situation. Here's a couple more:
They don't look very intimidated do they?!?
Seems strange that siddiq khan has come out saying there were issues with the march too.
His message is rather more sensible though making a distinction about the relative numbers. With the use of "some who have used the pro-Palestinian protest to spread hate and racism, including antisemitism" rather than the both sides approach deployed by both Sunak and Cooper.
An utterly predictable outcome.
Surely Sunak needs to give her the boot now, I know having her in the cabinet was the price he paid to the headbangers for "unity" under his leadership, but that pretence has evaporated now and it's doing him more harm than good keeping her around.
“Bravermans brownshirts” has to stick, it needs to be all over SM and print by tomorrow, that line needs to be repeated every time an opportunity comes up SYL and Cruella need to wince at it...
I reckon this Guardian report is pretty fair:
I particularly liked this:
Rachel Solnick, a PhD student on the march, said: “I feel really appalled by how some of the framing around liberation for Palestine has been as if there’s an opposition, or some kind of binary between Jewish safety and Palestinian safety. I absolutely disagree with that framing.
“I think that loads of us who have Jewish ancestry feel really strongly that what is taking place in Palestine is ethnic cleansing and we don’t want it to happen in our names. It feels so important to gather here in numbers, as Jews and as members of the British public in general, to counter that narrative.”
But none of that happened did it? in response to the X post up there
Ahhh i see a lot has happened since i posted the above
I can't quite believe what I've heard in the last 10 minutes on R4. My word, incredible.
Can you briefly summarise? Thanks.
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I consider this inane diatribe from professional outrage monger Douglas Murray on Dave Rubin’s right wing fascist show more troubling than anything I’ve viewed from the march
I couldn't watch all that. I could honestly feel my blood pressure rising.
Knowing that yaxley-lennon scuttled away like the cockroach he is was...gratifying.
It's disappointing that a number of protestors from the main march - reportedly c150 - have been arrested after aiming fireworks at police; this hugely detracts from the ceasefire march and protest.
It allows braverman & co, including the usual media suspects, to draw some sort of equivalence between both sides; front page of sunday express proves this.
Of course, any attempt at equivalence is bollocks but too few will look beyond the headline.
reportedly c150 – have been arrested after aiming fireworks at police
Is that definitely the reason for their arrests? I thought it was because they they had broken away from the demo. The police made it very clear before the demo that anyone breaking away from the main march and the agreed route would be arrested.
I thought these 150 had broken away and were in Belgravia when arrested? Although I don't doubt that they set off fireworks, there were a lot of fireworks today. At one point the organisers pleaded over the PA to people not to set off fireworks because of the potential dangers, at the time the crowds were packed like sardines near the American embassy.
mail focusing on jostling
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1723473070231282136?t=1eo7H1E-jJJSdtKIz7_Elw&s=19
Jostling? Oh my, he must be quite traumatised!
So many straws being desperately clutched in that headline, its like a cat falling off a haystack
arsehats
It does seem like it’s a coordinated campaign and the right wing press all absolutely love Braverman.
The mad thing is that all this is just a warm up for the Rwanda verdict on Wednesday when, depending on the result, the Mail and Co will go into full ‘Enemies of the People’ meltdown mode again which will even further embolden Cruella. I’m sure she wants to lose the case as much as she wanted violence today. It all suits her personal agenda
Well it shows just how peaceful the ceasefire demo was that Michael Gove felt confident enough to stroll around central London, including a main rail terminus, unaccompanied.
You have to assume that with all the recent headlines, and "talk of hate marches", Gove was well aware of what to expect today. Even if he had forgotten when he left his house the multitude of Palestinian flags should at some point have reminded him. And yet he obviously wasn't too fazed at the thought of meeting pro-Palestinian demonstrators.
Funnily enough I was jostled too today. In fact more than once, including at Victoria station
From my few Jewish contacts in the UK, they are more concerned by the actions of the Israeli government than any risks over here.
That will always be the case won't it. It is like assuming that all the people in a country are behind what their government is doing. In this case religion also comes into but nonetheless, UK people don't all support whatever the UK government are doing and I remember a sizeable march in protest of what Blair was up to as an example.
There will also be a lot of Jewish people who fully support what Israel are doing.
Such a shame that "Jewish, Palestinian and British people all come together to prove Braverman wrong and march for peace" doesn't make headlines and sell newspapers.
From what I saw on the news last night the headline should've been "EDL disrupt remembrance ceremony"
Edit : Watch until the end for a contrast.
So many straws being desperately clutched in that headline, its like a cat falling off a haystack
Pure poetry in that phrase.....
Good analysis by Andrew Rawnsley in todays Observer on Sunaks weakness and his crazy decision to give her the job in the first place
Rishi Sunak must surely sack his recklessly irresponsible and incendiary home secretary
I especially love the quote:
he has retained her in the cabinet on the Lyndon Johnson principle that it was better to have her “inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in”. Mr Sunak must surely now see that she is inside the tent pissing all over him.
I like this quote binners:
Expressions of horror are also to be heard from some Conservative MPs that you’d associate with the traditional right of the party. One of their number, who once worked in the same government department as Ms Braverman, fumed to me that she is “too ****ing dangerous” to hold the most junior ministerial rank, never mind occupy a great office of state with such grave duties in so many sensitive areas.
Personally I think Braverman has totally blown her chances of becoming Tory leader as a result of what she has said in the last couple of weeks, not that I thought her chances were ever good.
She is now seen as totally divisive, even by those on the right who support her, they realise that she could never be the leader of the party.
