stw:argue is all part of lifes rich tapestry, anyone bitching on the internet about it is being soemwhat hypocritical
[quote=kimbers ]stw:argue is all part of lifes rich tapestry, anyone bitching on the internet about it is being soemwhat hypocritical
Oh - welcome to mleh
I agree with some of what uou say, but a lot of people are very different in the flesh, too how they are on the internet.
That still doesn't mean it not real.
Some people are just being someone else, or a slightly different version of their normal self.
That doesn't mean there are no real life effects.
But they are very easy to avoid and easy to excuse yourself from it.
By that argument, nuisance phone calls are fine. You can always ignore it or hang up.
I don't hold with this "it's only the Internet" argument. Unless you're a sociopath, the medium is irrelevant, you're interacting with people.
No, the nuisance call is a 'push' the web abuse is a 'pull'. If you don't like what you are reading, don't read it
Fair enough.
So it's ok to slag people off on TV, on the radio and in the papers, then.
No, the nuisance call is a 'push' the web abuse is a 'pull'. If you don't like what you are reading, don't read it
You can pick at whatever analogy people use, but the simple fact is ...
you're interacting with people.
Real people, so real life.
Calm down dear it's only internet .... 😆
No, the nuisance call is a 'push' the web abuse is a 'pull'. If you don't like what you are reading, don't read it
You're right cm.
But some people don't have that self control or awareness to see any difference.
You only have to witness some of the anti Daily Mail threads on here, which usually start with a link to said paper.
There's people that search out that "push" and stand in front of it, making it a pull. Then they'll shout about it and try to drag their mates along too.
So it's ok to slag people off on TV, on the radio and in the papers, then.
if you are the editor of the Sun, Mail , Times, etc -- or richard littlejohnny
what is the beef here, so there is another 'site' --set up by someone who was deemed too 'troublesome' by the 'authorities' on here-- for some on here to accuse someone else of obsessiveness is slightly ironic....
There's a requirement that you treat people on here as you would if you we're in their company. If you get that wrong then you run the risk of being the focus of the mods. It's a house rule shall we say. The 'Internet isn't real' card doesn't work here. Principally because its wrong.
Still, it's not real life eh?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/amanda-todd-cyber-bullying-victim-1380108
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cyber-bully-victim-schoolboy-found-1816000
I'm glad the mods are here. This is a social responsibility website that all sorts of folks read. Yes we have our Heros/hitters, but there's a lot of folk who only read stuff and comment infrequently.
It's too easy to say "turn it off/don't read it" but it's not as simple as that. This site is infamous in its infamously famous ness, read by masses of folk.
Unfortunately it's left to self moderation and moderation by volunteers who mod. If ya can't moderate yerself, a mod will do it for you.
I support the mods.
(But i do miss Fred)
you're interacting with people.
My name is ELIZA
There's a requirement that you treat people on here as you would if you we're in their company
I heard that Fred's an 'andful in the flesh an' all.. 😀
It's virtual . Don't take it too serious , ok?
Can you ride a REAL bike on the Internet? Exactly .
aye--some of us aren't as deferential as others, or is that polite company only, not rowdy types...
Which part is virtual?
If I wrote on here that you were a nob and also paid for it to be published in the Mail, which one would be ok?
If I wrote on here that you were a nob and also paid for it to be published in the Mail, which one would be ok?
that would defo make you a nob, for paying money for it....
It's virtual . Don't take it too serious , ok?
I don't take it too seriously at all.
But I'm socially aware enough to know that it's real, and the people on the other end of a conversation are also real.
Social interactions and the way we communicate are changing, people need to realise that online is just as valid as real life.
If you need any convincing, try calling your boss a Useless prick on Facebook and send them a link to it.
See if they agree that the Internet "isn't real life"
I would take it as a [i]huge[/i] compliment if the Mail told its readers that I was a nob. I'd probably bung you a tenner for your troubles.
Seriously though, I've always struggled to understand how people can be "offended" on here. It really isn't the same as a newspaper spreading malicious stuff about you with your real name, address, work place, etc. all of which might affect you in a tangible way in real life.
You mean paid for an advert in the mail, saying i was a nob? That's very different. I might get on to the ASA about that. Writng it on here? Wouldn't bother me. If it did, i'd stop reading it.
If I wrote on here that you were a nob and also paid for it to be published in the Mail, which one would be ok?
The Mail, duh! Because if you posted it on here Mark would hit you with the banhammer.
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If you need any convincing, try calling your boss a Useless prick on Facebook and send them a link to it.See if they agree that the Internet "isn't real life"
But the problem in this case happens when real life and virtual,life overlap.
Not the same thing if it is all virtual.
that copper who tweeted his 'feelings' about Thatcher has been forced to resign-- i love free speech, his comment was relatively mild, and obviously heartfelt-- but because he did so openly he has been persecuted.....
Relatively mild?
Did you read the same reports as I did?
Because he let his real life identity get mixe up with his virtual. Besides we can't just treat all social media as the same.twitter is quite different from adiscussion forum.
his comment was relatively mild
It really wasn't.
its possible he was looking for an 'out' --can't be much fun being a leftie copper----and no , i haven,t read all his tweets--just that he thought the world is a better place without her--a sentiment shared by many millions...
But the problem in this case happens when real life and virtual,life overlap.
Not the same thing if it is all virtual.
But the Internet "isn't real life" ?
Just tell your boss that, repeat it a few times, they will understand in the end.
Or maybe they won't...
Because it is.
It's a different type of social media but the messages and the intent of those messages can be the same. I utterly fail to comprehend how you think communication on here is to be treated less seriously than elsewhere? It's complete nonsense. The policeman resigned because he didnt realise in time that there is no difference. He does now but it's too late. He's lost his job.
as far as i know , i haven't said anything on the internet that i would not repeat elsewhere, do not use different identities, maybe that's naive, but i have nothing to hide, so what can happen. I have been 'excluded' from employment for years due to being an active trade unionist, some i know use aliases to get work--but then you can't be yourself and become compromised--for being honest and true...i love the free world....
No,you've mixed the two there. That's where the problem lies. In here many ofnus have an internet only existence. Anything that happens has no iact on the rest of my life. Now clearly if i wereto start meeting folks from here than it might lead to some awkwardness, but that's not happening. So,it's not realness is because it is its own universe
The policeman lost his job because for him twitter and the real world impacted on each other, so were not separate universes.
Active trade unionist you say. Explains why you think that Plod's comments were relatively mild I guess.
Now clearly if i wereto start meeting folks from here than it might lead to some awkwardness
Really ? Meeting folk from here has never caused me awkwardness, nor would I expect it to.
It's a different type of social media but the messages and the intent of those messages can be the same. I utterly fail to comprehend how you think communication on here is to be treated less seriously than elsewhere? It's complete nonsense. The policeman resigned because he didnt realise in time that there is no difference. He does now but it's too late. He's lost his job.
Do,you really think all communication is to be treated equally seriously?
Really ? Meeting folk from here has never caused me awkwardness, nor would I expect it to.
No, but it [i]might[/i].
STW: argue ...what an excellent thread title!
nothing about being a union person, johndoh-- its all about perspective....
So CM, you think because your never going to meet anyone from here, none of those people are real ?
People are real, the internetz virtual , not that hard to grasp.
But it doesn't give one the right to act badly just cos it isn't real.
So CM, you think because your never going to meet anyone from here, none of those people are real ?
In the mathematical sense, they are not. Of course i know they are flesh and blood. But they are not real beyond this forum as they have no effect outside of it.
you think because your never going to meet anyone from here, none of those people are real ?
It all depends what reference frame you're using.
Aracer has it!
and perhaps, what reference frame the other users are using..?
