The Ford channel held up!
Ford was quite have tbh. But did stand off a couple.
I agree...our anthem is w@nk....very little booing of the kicker that I heard.
Yeah North was poor...the fact that he should have been on the pitch for most of the match as he seemed pretty concussed possibly had something to do with that.
The Ford channel held up!
He got run over more than a few times but wales werent good enough to build on it. England won the game in the front five second half. Note that Haskel came into the game second half, it was due to what was in front of him.
Yep, forwards win matches (says a hooker)!!!
Red button comments interesting - sir C and jiffy are funny
Told you 12trees would play well...
Quite surprised by that, can't recall desperate Dan doing anything all game and one run by Davies, and that says a lot.
Great game.
Blimey the bird doing the interviewing is as subtle as a brick
^yep haha
Booing of GStQ..
Don't care, if some few Welsh want to look petty that's their affair. Would much rather have Land of Hope And Glory instead, but we should always sing the 6th verse of the anthem when playing Scotland 😀
The lack of penetration from a fully fit welsh squad must be a worry. Is there no plan B to WarrenBall?
I must say, I'm wondering where Stephen Jones will get his negative article from this weekend. My guess will be " ah, but if it were NZ then England would have lost"
FFS.
I don't want to point the finger at any one individual but it is frustrating to see North stutter for Wales.
As people round our way say:
"I'm not sure he knew if it was arsehole or breakfast time".
I've no idea what the derivation of that saying is, but I'm pretty sure he was groggy for nearly all of the game.
from a life long rugby league man, that was a cracking game of rugby.
wales looked good 1st half, thought they had it, but england buckled down and got on with it. haskell and the bloke who got try disallowed where the pick for me.
I enjoyed that game.
The bloke that got the try disallowed was Haskell ton aka The Hask, aka Brand Haskell.
Not sure about the comments re lack of penetration from a fully fit Wales...whom exactly were you missing from your first choice starting XV?!
I watched the game from an outdoor hot tub in -3°c with a few beers. The steam from the tub did obscure the telly a bit.
Whilst the game was enjoyable I thought Wales were pretty average. England's defence for the Welsh try was abysmal - notwithstanding Faleteau's brilliance.
Couldn't see why Ben Youngs got pulled off when he was playing well. Sobering to think that JJ was only playing because Brad Barritt is injured.
My main fear is that Farrel gets back into the team.
Not in this tournament he won't.
Wouldn't mind a replacement lock on the bench next week, otherwise keep it the same.
was it me that the venue noise was controled?
As people round our way say:"I'm not sure he knew if it was arsehole or breakfast time".
I've no idea what the derivation of that saying is, but I'm pretty sure he was groggy for nearly all of the game.
If we can see it then surely the coaches can too. Williams looked to have some zip when he made his brief appearance. Wouldn't be too much of a gamble to bring on the man of the match from a rare SH victory at half time, let alone the second time North was out cold.
Tom B - I liked our starting XV, but undoubtedly Lawes, Launchbury, Wood, Tuilagi and and Barritt would have started if fit.
My comment really stems from the untried England midfield, as opposed to ungifted, when compared to a settled Welsh team with no injuries, playing at home.
Like so many internationals, game was won in the back row.
Haskell, Vunipola and Robshaw all made good yards.
Faletau made a little, Warburton and Lydiate didn't.
It was Atwood who had try disallowed wasn't it?
Points;
Burrell held it all together. Previous stuffs of Roberts being superior proved complete rubbish. JJ a lively presence. Haskell was beyond his capability. Lee is good but not cole good. Watson deserved MOTM, ford was poor and is far from owning the 10 shirt,
Warburton is a complete menace but can be contained. Wales are better when tips is playing.
Great win, in Cardiff. But a lot changes in a few months can make it worth less.
In all, I'm very happy that we have watson, he's as good as I hoped.
I'm really looking fwd to watching full highlights of the game. Coming from 10-0 down shows character, which coming into RWC year is very important, IMHO.
ford was poor and is far from owning the 10 shirt
Did you give up watching after 15 minutes?
He looked a bit rabbit in the headlights with those kicks being charged down early on, but after that I thought he was excellent. Maybe not MoM excellent, I think that belonged in the forwards, probably Haskell, but certainly not poor.
Ow my head, feel like Dan Biggar probably does this morning.
Immense first half. woeful second from Wales. Too much kicking (Gatland 101) I was always taught to keep the ball in hand unless you're going backwards. Play the bloody phases FFS, and as the Joseph try showed TAKE HIS BLOODY FEET! Tackling round the shoulders 🙄
Fair play to England though, really stepped it up in the second half.
What was the Cuthbert yellow for?
As for MoM I think Biggar was the best man on the pitch, him and Halfpenny were excellent.
Like so many internationals, game was won in the back row.
Haskell, Vunipola and Robshaw all made good yards.
Faletau made a little, Warburton and Lydiate didn't.
That rubbish I'm afraid. The england back row threat was easily contained in the first half but once the england front five got on top second half it allowed the england backrow time and space. The fat lads won the game. Atwood and Krius were very good as was Cole with very little game time. Its sad to see one of Wales all time great players who has won three grand slams over 100 caps and Lions test caps get so humbled twice in a row by England.
Adam and Gethin have had their time. Gethin should retire gracefully, no one wants to see him dribble his career to an end, such a great player.
I'm really hoping Lancaster sticks with this back line. I can't see Farrell replacing JJ in the centres, and apart from throwing himself into every tackle against 15 tired plays 36 didn't change the game did he. May needs to be swapped for someone with more position awareness and he's too frail. Being a Rocket in today's international backline where space is rare isn't the only skills you need. Yarde, although not perfect would have stayed out to stand a good chance of preventing that try. Youngs was slow, Care is the better player.
Cole did the Job he was asked to do and stole a couple of balls which compliments out need to lay 6.5's in the back line, good to,see him back - with a starting performance like that it's a good sign that he and corbs are on the way back. mako looked lazy moving around the field TBH.
I'd like to see Cips v Italy or Scotland. I think he'd play like Ford did, but with added composure. We need to slot those kicks. I think Ford may have tried to emulate Cips rather than Farrell, and the ball was passed much flatter.
Haskell a man possessed, he's been playing like that for Wasps and is real threat on the loose, him and Robshaw similar but different
North should have been off the pitch, that needs looking at tbh.
That light show was a farce, WRU should be fined IMO for the stupid games and the delay to the match. Good on Robshaw for standing tall, but then being he better man and walking onto the pitch - albeit with the Caviat. We had the last word in the end.
Great match and as we've waited for for so long with England, as said above the Team with the most Tries won. I thinking the end score was fitting.
I thought a-w jones (special effort to get the hyphen in right place.....) was probably mom.... seemed to tackle everything
impressed by kruis too - second row was pretty impressive for supposed 4th and 5th choice
The fat lads won the game.
Agreed, I thought they were excellent.
Gethin should retire gracefully, no one wants to see him dribble his career to an end, such a great player.
Not sure on this. He has always struggled with refs in the scrum since the infamous video but on his day can be rampaging around the field. He hasn't lost the quality, it is just getting harder to tease the form out of him. Not sure the replacements are better
Ford- I thought he was excellent. Maybe not MoM excellent
Agreed, the majority of you English are way too hard on him. Even when he was struggling a bit he always looked in control... and how much ball did the backline see. When you have the forwards England have you can afford a child sized playmaker 😆 Place kicking would be the only worry.
Yarde, although not perfect would have stayed out to stand a good chance of preventing that try. Youngs was slow
Did you watch the 6N game or the Saxons match? Youngs was a real spark and dangerous throughout and Yarde was shocking! Wade perhaps but not Yarde in the next team! Agreed though that May added little
A great game the difference in the second half was England playing the ball out of the tackle, wales had obviously targeted turnover ball in this and we're doing very well at it in first half ( frightened englang so much they had to commit too many to the breakdown and even then got slow ball).
Another issue is why referees are allowed to make decisions based on what they see on the big screen, as was proved with the touchjudges call about the kick going straight out the homeside screen will only show what favours them ( strange how they managed to find that full footage well after the decision had been made eh?), the atwood try obstruction was only viewed for 1 angle on big screen but 4th official could have called for different views.
Another issue is why referees are allowed to make decisions based on what they see on the big screen, as was proved with the touchjudges call about the kick going straight out the homeside screen will only show what favours them
It is controlled by the broadcaster and 4th official, nothing to do with the home side. If the ref has gone to the 4th official for help then the ref can use the big screen as it was a bit of a farce that they were supposed to be looking away and not use it in their decision for a long time. The angles come from the 4th official. When play has continued the broadcaster puts up replays- of course they wait for the play to continue because the ref didn't (couldn't?) ask the 4th official for help. At that point it is only for the benefit of the fans in the stadium and for the beenfit of the England captain to be whingey all game 😆
It is controlled by the broadcaster
That will be BBC Wales then!? If you ask for a second opinion then should take it! As I said only 1 angle was shown so what good was that. this has occurred lots of times at different games and at one time ( sorry can't remember exactly ) even the 4th official had difficulty getting all the camera angles out of broadcaster
To be honest, there was nothing in that game that required a replay or 4th official. Even as a Welsh fan the crossing call was a joke but fortunately a bit of a funny one (given the media hype before) as England went on to win. Blame Hartley for the blatent block against NZ for the topic coming to the fore. Had they lost it would have been a very hollow Wales win. Thinking about it Hartley was rather good for Wales. No idea why Haskell thought he'd scored- not familiar with the post rules? Ball out on the full was one of those things, maybe a lack of guile from Watson to make it more obvious to the officials.
Anyone else with a monster hangover today? After half a bottle of wine with pre game meal. A couple of Chimay Blue's during the game, opening a bottle of Rioja for a celebratory glass was always going to end badly!
I'm supposed to be recording some tracks with my band in a few hours :-/
Haskel running into the post was piss funny!!
Another issue is why referees are allowed to make decisions based on what they see on the big screen, as was proved with the touchjudges call about the kick going straight out the homeside screen will only show what favours them ( strange how they managed to find that full footage well after the decision had been made eh?), the atwood try obstruction was only viewed for 1 angle on big screen but 4th official could have called for different views.
Only allowed to use replays to decide on try scoring or not so they couldnt review the touch kick from Brown. At one point there wad a hint of a tip tackle too. The fourth official can review it and get back to the ref if necessary. I presume he did this and all was fine so play carried on.
Still cannot understand such a flat performance in the second half from Wales, i think it might be related to all this fitness work they've been doing.
The attacking play was utterly shite too. No runners from deep nothing. Watched a youtube vid of Roberts v Northampton the way they put him into space was in stark contrast to the way ales use him.
A very good win for England, just a few points:
(1) Ford was very good, plays much flatter than Farrell so England were getting over the gain line sooner despite not hitting the ball at pace. However, it is riskier if you get caught which he did early on.
(ii) Youngs make take an extra step but his pass was very long creating a huge area on the inside shoulder of the fly half to attack. England made a lot of yards down this channel.
(iii) Haskell carried the ball well and was excellent value but he was at fault for the early try.
Haskel adds beef and came into his own in the second half arm wrestle. Bit ponderous though. I was waiting for Tipuric and Priestland to come on and try and move the big england backrow around and make more use of the wings. Never happened though just bosh, smash, bosh, smash.
attwood was the bloke i was talking about, he played well. and haskell.
. The fat lads won the game...just bosh, smash, bosh, smash
😀 😀 😀
Great win for England and generally a better performance in terms of creativity.
I thought Wales nullified Billy V too easily, warburton and Faleteau looked tremendous as did AW Jones. Part of the problems is the game time for some of the players is missing and one must question the mental aspect in the last quarter for the welsh something seems not to be there.....Gatland time for a new coach?
SOme outstanding performances for England
Front 4 especially Atwood I am sorry but I have no time for Hartley he is a minimum of 2 penalties a game
Youngs and Ford, I thought Ford is a step up from Farrell and played on the line, defended really well and aided by Burrell
Centres did well for a combination not used to each other
Watson is class but needs international nous but that is experience
Brown is getting form and is good
Problems no kicker really outside Ford apart from Brown
May is no international standard, the try was his fault and catching under the high ball was not good
international nous especially in retaining/presenting the ball after the tackle,
Lancaster and the coaches subs......too preplanned and not reading the game, marler was excellent why take him off? Youngs was running the game?. Too early to close a game out really, Lanacaster is just a bit too predetermined in his decisions at time.
Not many changes for me
locks is a real competitive area.....
Props looking good if all fit
Hooker.....????
Back row lots of optiosn and Robshaw is underestimated and unsung, good player and getting better as capt
half backs leave as but Dixon would have been there for me
Centres leave as.....Mani T no sure and Barritt is great defense but Joseph looks on form
Wings Watson and then pick one but not May
Full back...again options and depth
The Big question is Scotland, they will be the team that causes the upsets I think...............interesting today but Wales at Murrayfield will be close.
Lancaster and the coaches subs......too preplanned and not reading the game, marler was excellent why take him off?
I thought Lancaster made an error brining on Vunipola as Lee bent him in half at the first scrum but then the ref just lost the plot when all the front row subs came on. England were dominating the scrum and then were not. Didnt matter in the end though.
Robshaw made more than 20 tackles (26)! None missed, extraordinary.
Webb's box kicking was poor - too short.
