I wondered why I got passed by about half a dozen emergency vehicles in Horsforth this afternoon.
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2023-10-20/plane-skids-off-runway-in-heavy-rain-at-airport
Looking like Sheffield could turn nasty by going home time.
We had to shut site at 11am at old whittington wwtw as river gone from 1.5 to 2.1 during the morning. Cabins could be afloat soon! still chucking it down in wakey. Its grim out take care.
I looked at that and the prediction over the next 24-36 hours…all I can say is, I’m glad I don’t live in Denmark 😳
Just had a chat with a friend near Copenhagen - community out building walls of sand bags to protect houses that have been there since ever.
@ads678 I often ride along that very section you have marked while the wife does the Parkrun on the north bank.
Waves @wheelsonfire1. My wife had to walk across there after dumping her car at the in-laws just down the road from you, as we're on the other (poor) side ;-). A slightly closer look....
Chatsworth Road in Chesterfield...
Seems like most roads in Derbyshire are flooded to some extent.
My normal 12 min drive home took an hour - only one road open into my village.
Yep, Hope Valley looks fairly cut off, anywhere along the River Derwent like Baslow and Rowsley has major road closures.
The river running through mine (thankfully down in a big gorge with zero risk of flooding!) is at least 2m up on normal, can barely see the weirs.
Roads still closed.
Rivers are still high.
Winds still high.
Lots of the standing water has dried up but a new red warning in place from tonight till mid day tomorrow . Much more water and the bridge out from ours will be a no go. It was about 6 inches from breaching on the way home tonight.
Luckily for us we live on a higher elevation in our town (Hucknall - East Mids) than the river and places with run off. Seen a few local pictures and reminds me of flooding here around 10 ish years ago. Also lucky for us that we just had our non functioning soak away drainage hooked up to the sewer due to not being able to dig a soak away within our boundary. As it stood 2 weeks ago our garage would have been flooded for definite, house in theory would have been ok.
Luckily for us we live on a higher elevation in our town (Hucknall – East Mids)
Is your weather warning simply Red?
It’s rarerly the river in Matlock that causes the problem – it’s the downflow from the hill and the drains overloading. Building hundreds more houses at the top of the hill is a local bone of contention as the general view is that it’s only adding to the problem further
My heart goes out to all the homeowners and businesses affected, but the footbridge in the park shows that flooding off the river isn’t a new problem.
For those interested in Denmark, their meteo agency website has a sea surge/coastal flood forecast which is a worrying
For those interested in Denmark
My in laws live near Sonderborg right my the sea which has the highest level. No reports from them of flooding
Major incident declared in South Yorkshire. The rivers in Sheffield have now thankfully peaked but the flow still needs to work it’s way through Rotherham and Doncaster which aren’t due to peak until tomorrow. Power out in about 2,000 locations. The river gauge nearest to my house broke its all time record by a good half a metre.
Lighthouse on pier at South shields has lost the domed roof.
Also North Shields ferry is suspended due to swell, this coupled with the bus strikes means a long way round dor none motorists.
Hardy students at daughters high school walking home in just shirt sleeves 🙂
@turboflard where in Sheffield are you
diggery, just amber as far as I know so nothing dangerous here.
I am aware of people trying to get in and out and it taking hours and hours to drive 1 mile to head into Nottingham.
Well, Northumberland didn’t miss it. While we’ve not had the red warnings our unfortunate Scottish neighbours have it’s pretty rough. They preparing to evacuate some houses in Rothbury as the flood barriers are expected to breach soon.
Stay safe folks.
For those interested in Denmark
I hope everyone can stay safe, there and here.
@bikerevivesheffield up in Totley, it was the river gauge at Twentywell Lane I was referring to. I’m ok as near the top of the hill but those further down including Totley Brook Road have taken a bit of a hammering.
We're in the middle of some rain but nothing disastrous forecast.
My sister north of Aberdeen had no power last night, scheduled to get it back at 8pm tomorrow.
Even here in the SW the rain has caused issues, the main London- Bristol railway line was closed, near Swindon, with people trapped on a train for at least four hours. <br />Things not helped by the M4 closed in both directions for most of the day due to a truck going sideways across one carriageway, although unconnected to the weather AFAIK.
I'm reading with some ire the 'story' of various families and houses in Brechin who refused to evacuate.
One heard her elderly neighbour, in a bungalow screaming for help. A couple of families now without power waiting to be rescued.
It seems amazing that anyone would choose to stay, anyone would choose to leave a neighbour in a bungalow during a flood event, and now 'waiting to be rescued'....?
Anyone local able to confirm if some suitable scout hut / school / sports centre was available to shelter in? That seems the only thing to stop people leaving - if they didn't have anywhere to go to.
Yeh the council had organised 'comfort centres' for people to go to with food etc, and they could take their pets too. They are now appealing for B&b,air B&Bs and similar who may be able to accept people for a period of time.
There's a number of places outside of Brechin that have needed evacuations too. Some people have been caught out as they're in places with no history of such a scale of flooding, so weren't expecting it, such as at the Bridge of Dun. That gorgeous old stone bridge is now ****ed 😞
The particular person who was on the news you're referring to was also on the news yesterday refusing to go 🙄
It seems amazing that anyone would choose to stay, anyone would choose to leave a neighbour in a bungalow during a flood event, and now ‘waiting to be rescued’….?
Happens every time. I live near Whaley Bridge (Derbyshire / Peak District) where the dam that sits above the town was in serious danger of bursting during a heavy storm (August 2019). I don't think many people actually realised how serious it was - later incident reports put it at 50:50 chance of a major breach in the dam and the town literally being washed away.
At yet there were people staying, even as the police drove through town on loudspeakers. People demanding to be let back in a day later because they wanted to water the houseplants or pick up the post - OK a couple were actually quite important like genuine medical supplies or a pet left behind in the urgency of the evacuation but many were just total crap.
Same at all the road closures - the main bridge in New Mills (the next town downstream) was closed to traffic because if the dam burst that bridge was next in the line of the deluge coming downstream, and again there were people demanding to be allowed to drive over it, the sun was out, it's not raining anymore, what's the problem... And then there were people trying to drive up the (completely totally closed) road on the neighbouring hill to watch the Chinook helicopter shuttling hundreds of tons of aggregate down to the dam to shore it up. They had to bring in full on concrete road closure barriers and wire mesh fencing to stop people trying to access it. Unbelievable.
News from the time:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-49189955
Well, Northumberland didn’t miss it.
We are booked in at The Sill/Twice Brewed tomorrow night, travelling up from Derby. I'm not convinced it's a good idea.
Yeah could be a rough journey.
I should now say, I work for the Environment Agency but have only been here a few months, I've heard plenty of accounts from other events where the general public just don't listen or want to do what someone is telling them, we have staff on the ground assaulted, etc. People think: we've had floods before it's not reached me before, we get warnings a lot and it's those houses down the valley that flood, it won't be as bad as predicted, or i've heard there are gangs waiting to come and steal everything i own, or just I don't want to leave my home. Similarly people think they'll be ok to drive through floodwater or across a ford, they have no concept that they could be swept away. None of the agencies can force someone to evacuate. Brechin residents have been offered a safe centre, they were in this instance asked to take sleeping bags if they could. It costs a fortune and is a hugely stressful job to set up evacuation centres and the authorities here should be immensely proud of how they have managed this event.
The folk on the news who are waiting to be rescued in brechin now we're convinced they would be ok as they were in a first floor flat.
At some point you don't have electric and your sewage backs up Nd you need help.
Does any one know how often these houses would flood prior to the defences being built in 2016.
It costs a fortune and is a hugely stressful job to set up evacuation centres and the authorities here should be immensely proud of how they have managed this event.
Indeed - as ever the emergency services, council workers, government agencies, volunteers and more have done and continue to do a good job.
Scenes to show how much water we are talking about:
https://twitter.com/farsondigital/status/1715236271704900040?t=jt5GllcR4wFDeJ9oCRwj7A&s=19
Scenes to show how much water we are talking about:
😳😳😳
I wasn't impressed by Natural Resources Wales decision to jetwash all the nice spagnum moss off our town flood wall. Their reasoning: the roots (moss doesn't have roots) would break up the bricks (like 50cm cube blocks of stone).
Too much emphasis on trying to dominate nature rather than working with it, IMO.
I know I'm probably premature, and I also recognise that the Angus rain event is unprecedented.
However, the grouse moors and open deer 'forests', the farmland without large hedges and trees, rivers contained in embankments, the huge publicly owned parks and school grounds which are green grass deserts, the endless verges which are flat and mown - all these things are upstream of the houses on the edge of rivers, squeezed into spaces that would be floodplains...
I could go on, but the combination of climate change and how we manage huge areas of land really has combined in the last few years...
You need the floodplains, wetlands, forests, bogs etc to interrupt heavy rain before it accumulates. Slow down that surface runoff by holding it back/absorbing in a way that releases it gradually is the key.
I reckon it could be mainly done on the tributaries, far upstream of urban areas.
Yes, @jeffl I think the dam slowed the water down from Chezvegas but when it’s full it’s of no use whatsoever, as it was going dark the water was lapping over the top. I bet your wife was a muddy mess after going across the field - that farmer never reinstates the path properly. I do hope the dam has been constructed well, the sluice gate/barrage had to be replaced at great cost as it was back to front or upside down or something according to a contractor!
That's the wind just returned with vengeance up here and the lights are flickering.
Hope you have a good charge!
All the best to everyone in the middle of this shitfest.
The overuse of the word unprecedented is annoying. Nowadays it generally means I've lived here 6 years and have never been sober enough to notice shit going on around me
The storm is really bad in certain areas due to the antecedent conditions. It's no doubt terrible at a local level for those affected
If this was in the SE it would be much more of a priority to prevent it being as bad next time.
Scenes to show how much water we are talking about:
This is just terrifying
My heart goes out to all the homeowners and businesses affected, but the footbridge in the park shows that flooding off the river isn’t a new problem.
No, it isn't a new problem and the river does occasionally breach. However there are flood defences in place now. The annual event of the town centre flooding is down to the drainage (usually).
There was a pump in place yesterday as Tim said, pumping the drains into the river. Matlock town centre was completely clear, when normally in yesterday's conditions it would have been under a foot of water.
The river burst up at Darley Bridge though I believe
Glad to know the flood defences have held.
Got a couple more tough days as the waters work their way downstream
Got a couple more tough days as the waters work their way downstream
There were warnings around the Sheffield and Chesterfield areas that this would be the case. Not seen much news from over that way yet. Here on the other side of the Pennines it's been eerily still overnight, I'll head out in a bit for a look at the river levels.
Anyone in Newark? Our village was hit bad, one house flooded because others were pumping water onto the street.
Remember a few years ago now when most of Newark surrounding area was under water and the rain this time has been worse.
On mum's street a sewerage has flooded the street and has a fire engine there to help.
