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So did andy murray win this because he won nothing all year or because he won the davis cup which i am pretty sure is a TEAM event. Sorry but i like the show but that decision was just wrong.
He won because he got the most votes.
I think he won because he helped us win the Davis Cup and finished as World No2, which I can't recall happening before.
This really does bring out the worst in some people every bloody year. Any excuse to moan and be nitpicky. The whole show is a celebration of sport. Get over your own internet ego trips and go and do something pleasurable instead.
Though I expect a few of you are doing something pleasurable while typing your drivel one handed.
Personality of the year means they have a likeable personality and are a top roll model, but achievement may mean nothing.
The competition is won by 'the person judged by the public to have achieved the most' in a given year. So its an award for achievement - but because the vote is public its awarded more on the basis of perceived achievement (and of course thats really a popularity contest) rather than any empirical sporting comparison between the nominees. [i](hashtag Bring back Superstars!)[/i]
He won because more people know who he is.
Get over your own internet ego trips
As ego trips go, posting a pseudonymous short comment about a sports show on an Internet forum is pretty modest. It's not like he invaded Iraq or anything. 😀
I thought it was a good show, better than expected!
Murray is a well deserved winner, good to see it coming from Northern Ireland, and the Tyson Fury issue handled reasonably well. A good celebration of a year of British sport. The break dancing, brilliant, what a party piece!
It's about recognising and celebrating the achievements of sports people (or, indeed, Personalities) from the past year. Pretty bloody obvious really.
why is it not "sports Person" of the year then? personality doesn't score goals/medals/championships etc
He won because he got the most votes.
he won because most of the dead heads who watch it have never heard of anyone else and a footballer wasn't one of the nominees? (i think, not sure as i only saw the result)
rOcKeTdOg
why is it not "sports Person" of the year then? personality doesn't score goals/medals/championships etc
Perhaps things weren't as over analised or scrutinized in the halcyon pre-internet days when the award was conceived.
Perhaps they thought "Sports Person" might have too strongly implied "best athlete".
Maybe they just didn't give a shit.
Andy Murray was team of the year also. Well done.
beagle - Member
Fury made Gary work for that question eh?
Oh - I thought it was just because he's a stupid great Richard Head and couldn't keep up...
... and a footballer wasn't one of the nominees...
Given the popularity of the sport, footballers win very rarely (five times since 1954). Cycling's only one behind that.
Linekar couldn't have worded the question to Fury any more vaguely though, I'd have looked at him confused if he started asking about 'fallout' after the match.
I don't think Linekar could be as direct as everyone watching wanted him to be - "do you regret being a total ****?"
[i]Linekar couldn't have worded the question to Fury any more vaguely[/i]
Yeah, its like he expects Fury to go around thinking about that all the time!
Im sure he has a few (million) more enjoyable things to ponder!
Andy Murray is one of the best 4 tennis players (and currently number 2?) in the greatest period the game has ever known. There's been bigger travesties with the winners in previous years.
[quote=rOcKeTdOg ]why is it not "sports Person" of the year then? personality doesn't score goals/medals/championships etc
No, but it does bring you public recognition which results in people voting for you...
[quote=athgray ]Andy Murray was team of the year also. Well done.
That thought had occurred to me 🙂 The principle job of Leon Smith appears to be to persuade AM to play (though I suppose sometimes he needs his brother's help) - funny old team sport, where the majority of the active members of the team haven't contributed at all to the victory.
My Missus asked me who I thought would win and I said:
1. Tyson Fury
2. Andy Murray
3. Jessica EH
I really thought that despite the fact that TF has upset a lot of people, voters would recognize the massive achievement. There you go..... 😕
convert - Member
An award for the outstanding famous sporting person of the year. Is this so hard for you to comprehend? If they are not famous, i.e. known to the general public, it wouldn't make particularly good tv to the great unwashed.
If it's an award to the most famous, may as well just give it to Beckham every year.
Where does it say outstanding? It's Sports "Personality" of The Year and that's it.
You might not want to watch such a show/competition, in which case watch something else; but to not comprehend what the prize is for, as you alluded to above..... well it doesn't say much for your intellect.
I comprehend it perfectly fine thank you, and that's the problem. It doesn't represent achievement properly else we'd have people who are less famous but are known but have achieved far more than those who win, or in fact in this case Fury should have won it even though he's a dick. It doesn't represent personality in the dictionary definition of character, so that just leaves it representing the other definition of fame which is what people seem to vote on and is generally pointless. It's as bad as a celebrity talent show, but fair enough plenty of people find that entertainment.
Every single year there's the SAME debate about why it is called 'Personality'. Every single year.
It's funny, but there are words in the English language that have more than one meaning! Yes!
It is possible that there is no answer cumberlanddan.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/dec/18/sports-personality-of-the-year-2015-bbc
Let Nicola Sturgeon explain
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Rockape63I really thought that despite the fact that TF has upset a lot of people, voters would recognize the massive achievement. There you go.....
I think boxing has for the most part has drifted out of mainstream public view. Couple that to a deeply unpleasant "champion" fighting an incredibly dull fight against the dullest champion in living memory and you have a recipe for.....apathy?
I'm surprised he got as many votes as he did, possibly because his achievement was relatively recent.
^ that basically
It is possible that there is no answer cumberlanddan.http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/dec/18/sports-personality-of-the-year-2015-bbc
Yep that about sums up my view, its what you get when the arts department organise sports. If it isn't presented by middle aged men with full moustaches in brown burtons suits smoking pipes (I know CB tries her best to fill that role, but she has zero knowledge of anything that isn't a horse) then it isn't sport godammit!
By putting personalty into the title it gives "permission" to the public not to restrict their vote to just sporting achievement. That Guardian article is right though about the seeming focus on sports BBC shows, it is extraordinary that the No 1 batsman in the world in an Ashes winning year didn't even make the short list.
meftyBy putting personalty into the title it gives "permission" to the public not to restrict their vote to just sporting achievement.
Athlete of the year would be equally as divisive.
it is extraordinary that the No 1 batsman in the world in an Ashes winning year didn't even make the short list.
Yeah but Steve Smith would have been up for foreign spoty and you wouldn't have been able to have voted for that.
Geraint Thomas gets his BBC Wales Sports Personality of the Year Trophy
it is extraordinary that the No 1 batsman in the world in an Ashes winning year didn't even make the short list.
No it isn't, ever since cricket went to Sky the audience has been falling and participation falling. (Similar trend to the problems F1 face on another thread). Sky is killing traditional sports, thankfully things like triathlon are on free to air and are gaining in participation numbers.
Here is the data for England's ashes 1st test win in 2015, from the Guardian:
[i]Saturday’s enthralling final day had a TV audience of 467,000. To put that into context, a 1974 Columbo film – shown on ITV3 at the same time as Joe Root took the winning catch – attracted just under 400,000 viewers. Friday’s Sky ratings were lower still, with only 340,000 watching.[/i]
Talking of "you don't have to watch it", well fine, but I'm paying for it as a licence fee payer and we own the service. We therefore have a say. It was independent, go ahead and churn out whatever crap you like, it's none of our business really, but this is the BBC.
But on the subject of focusing on BBC shows, I take it Lewis won't be in the line up then next year even if he wins the championship and every single grand prix? 😉
Every single year there's the SAME debate about why it is called 'Personality'. Every single year.
It's funny, but there are words in the English language that have more than one meaning! Yes!
yes but non of the ones for "personality" are "sport"
Yeah but Steve Smith would have been up for foreign spoty and you wouldn't have been able to have voted for that.
He is No 4, but admittedly the lead is changing hands between a very select 4 which includes Joe Root.
No it isn't, ever since cricket went to Sky the audience has been falling and participation falling. (Similar trend to the problems F1 face on another thread).
The shortlist isn't a public vote it is picked by "experts", to be fair there was no one on it who you could say why is he/she on it, but it is notable how many come from sports the BBC covers.
it is notable how many come from sports the BBC covers.
The BBC produces globally syndicated cricket coverage. During the ashes they reckon they have an audience of 4 million.
The BBC produces globally syndicated cricket coverage. During the ashes they reckon they have an audience of 4 million.
Presumably that is a commercial service they offer, but they don't show any cricket here as far as I can recall and indeed weren't interested in bidding for any of the domestic TV rights