[Closed] Speeding motorists - why?

Or you not looking where you were going.

No, no, no. If those other two had had something approaching my levels of anticipation, and taken off too, they wouldn't have been going so slowly (as mentioned one of them so slow he was bleedin stationary FFS) that I hit them.

Speeding is exceeding the national speed limit scotroutes,I am referring to people travelling slower than conditions allow, or "not making progress" as i was once criticised for in a police accompanied driver test. 😯 and i was on a motorcycle at 80mph!

If theres no such thing as driver frustration cheeky boy then why do we need to overtake?

maybe "driver impatience" is a better word

No, no, no. If those other two had had something approaching my levels of anticipation,

That's the problem. we're not all driving gods.

"That's the problem. we're not all driving gods."

Agree with riichmars,the throttle works both ways imho.. 😉

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we're not all driving gods.
Apart from, apparently, everyone on this thread.

Living on the outskirts of a country village, 30mph limit, I see a lot of people cruising past my house, oblivious to all around them, at speeds well over the limit. I guess they think they are in control like many of the people above....
As the father of two young boys this crass ignorance and selfishness makes my blood boil.
Have tried complaining to coppers and councillors alike - not interested.

build you own speed bump like hal on malcom in the middle

"not making progress"

Tell my front bumper. 😡

one of them so slow he was bleedin stationary FFS

You drove into a stationary vehicle and you're trying to claim it was their fault?

a bit of active entrapment is justified

Speed trap

it is not a 'trap' or "entrapment" to enforce a clearly marked speed limit. If a driver accelerates ahead of a change in limit, or fails to anticipate a reduction and drop their speed appropriately it's just poor driving.

A lot of incidents are caused by driver fustration imho

Yep, a lot of danger on the road is caused by 'frustration' - ie people who don't have a temperament appropriate to hold a driving licence. They'd not be allowed to fly a plane, or drive a train, but we still let them loose with a car.

You drove into a stationary vehicle and you're trying to claim it was their fault?

Well, I dunno. I suppose it was debatable. There was plenty of room and time to join the roundabout. They didn't make progress and I did. They were both going too slowly. So it's true, see? Plenty of accidents are caused by people sometimes going too bloody slowly. 100% of mine were!

Trap, entrapment, maybe bad choice. What I mean is that it's time we stopped having to have the police visible from miles away just so it's 'fair' on the law breakers. It would be unfair if there weren't bloody great red and white signs with the numbers on, and a speedo on your dashboard giving you a big clue how fast you're allowed to go.

Well, I dunno. I suppose it was debatable.

It's not really. Is it

What I mean is that it's time we stopped having to have the police visible from miles away just so it's 'fair' on the law breakers.

It's not about catching speeders though is it.

It's about stopping people from speeding.

That's what they tell us anyway.

It's not really. Is it

Ok, I suppose not. I'm probably giving the other guys the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they were nervous and not in a hurry that day. I just wanted to make progress.

That's my point, we need both. Put the cameras up in those places where speed must be kept down so people can't speed there. But you can't cover the country, so in places where you shouldn't speed but there aren't enough incidents to justify a permanent camera, we have speed limits that people should adhere to. So we need a system to catch those that can't and penalise them in a way that forces them to change.

How long before we have GPS trackers that will flag speeding transgressions, either to the driver or direct to the police?

It's not about catching speeders though is it.

It's about stopping people from speeding.

That's what they tell us anyway.

Part of stopping them is a realistic chance of being caught. So catching some speeders deters them and others.

A workmate of mine was a terrible driver. On the phone, speeding, tailgating. Getting 6 pts in a fortnight cured her.

Another workmate was caught on his mobile last week. Plain clothes cops watching traffic and radioing ahead to get the handheld phone drivers stopped. £100 pts and 3 pts. He'll think twice next time I hope.

I ve done 186 mph on many motorways around the country and 174 mph on the A32. Can anyone beat that or do I win the thread?

How long before we have GPS trackers that will flag speeding transgressions, either to the driver or direct to the police?

FWIW, I'm not a massive advocate of speeding, but I think there are situations where it hardly deserves the disdain that some seem to hold. If you're driving a dual carriageway at 4:30am with no other vehicles other than the odd 16-wheeler every 20 miles or so (which I do, semi-regularly) then 80-90mph isn't going to harm anyone. Conversely, the number of f***tards I've seen travelling on the same road at NSL whilst there's a snowstorm and 1" cover is frightening. You could maybe understand the (massively flawed) thought processes going on behind the steering wheel if they were in Land Rovers or G-Class Mercs or something, but I'm talking Audi TTs, Citroen Unipart vans, etc. Mentallists, the lot of them, and demonstrably more dangerous on the road than me and my 4am 90mph by an order of magnitude, whilst not a single one exceeding the speed limit. It's about how appropriate your speed is, not a blind adherence to the limit.

FWIW mk2 - I was also told that I would likely fail my Direct Access bike test if I did not travel at or close to the posted speed limits without good reason. Again, by an ex-police biker turned instructor.

I ve done 186 mph on many motorways around the country and 174 mph on the A32. Can anyone beat that or do I win the thread?

Beats me I couldnt top more than 150ish on a rural back road on my bike

But you can't cover the country

Matter of time.

If you're driving a dual carriageway at 4:30am with no other vehicles other than the odd 16-wheeler every 20 miles or so (which I do, semi-regularly) then 80-90mph isn't going to harm anyone.

Tell that to the family of the young lad that died on a dual carriageway at that sort of time after being hit by a car on new years day morning.

You just don't know what might be on the road. Extra thinking and stopping time will always help.

singletrackmind, can't agree with you there, applying speed limits seems to have no consistency whatsoever - why has West Sussex got a pretty much blanket 40mph on country 'b' roads. Why do you go from a 50 in Oxfordshire to a 'national' in Bucks. Why is it OK to do 40 down heavily populated dual carriageways in London but only 30 in some so-called 'village' consisting of some arbitrary number of dwellings within a certain distance in Oxfordshire. I could go on and on citing examples - if there was any kind of logic behind it people may find the limits more intuitive and easier to stick to and have to spend less time watching their speedo and more time actually concentrating on their driving.
Most of the 'scameras' are about raising revenue not improving road safety.

Billytinkle.

What was he doing on there? I imagine it was dark.

Had he been drinking?

Tragically on well lit wide motorways you get youths involved/killed. Should we all drive at 30 at night just incase?

I'll do c60 if its dry tam

Why would you drive at 30 in a 70mph limit? All I'm saying is don't drive in excess of 70.

I don't know why the kid was there and that's really not the point. Expect the unexpected is.

If theres no such thing as driver frustration cheeky boy then why do we need to overtake?

Where did I say there was no such thing as driver frustration ???

I was just using what I consider a less of an apologist description of a syndrome that is often used to justify arrogant bellend polishers endangering other people.

In pitch black someone walking infront is bad. Car beams are shit in their reach

I don't know why the kid was there and that's really not the point.

It's entirely the point. Can you give us some references to the incident you're referring to?

Tell that to the family of the young lad that died on a dual carriageway at that sort of time after being hit by a car on new years day morning.

You just don't know what might be on the road. Extra thinking and stopping time will always help.

*I have no idea what the actual circumstances were; I'm just illustrating a point.

Or he already had a near miss and wandered off line again? Who knows.

Speeding is only ever justified if you're the one doing it.

Cougar - Moderator
It's entirely the point. Can you give us some references to the incident you're referring to?

Sorry, I really should have put 'that's really not [i]my[/i] point' rather than 'the' point. I'm sure you have a different viewpoint, and that's your prerogative.

Drivers will use pretty much any defence to justify their wrong doings on the road - see The Flying Ox's quite ridiculous post.

Forget why the kid was there or what speed the car was doing - I was just illustrating that many people have the belief that they [i]know[/i] what will be on the roads, and that belief is simply incorrect.

Drivers will use pretty much any defence to justify their wrong doings on the road - see The Flying Ox's quite ridiculous post.

And people will use any old irrelevant example to illustrate why all speeding is bad.

Like some random half story about a kid wandering about an a dual carriageway for example.

It works both ways.

You can't criticise someone else for using "ridiculous" examples to illustrate a point, immediately after using a completely irrelevant story to illustrate your own.

Besides,

It's quite easy to trot out pithy little emotive tales to back up the oversimplified "speed kills" lie-to-children, but if you're a pedestrian playing Frogger on a dual carriageway then it's not going to make a fig of difference to your chances whether you're hit by a vehicle doing 70 or one doing 80.

Not that I'm saying this justifies speeding, just that in this theoretical example you could replace "driving 10mph over the speed limit" with "driving at the NSL" without changing the story one iota.

Speedings OK,
I know when it's dangerous or not; my car can easily do 60 mph on most 30 limit areas no problem.

It's a bit like drink driving sometime I drive so smashed I can hardly walk, it's not a problem I'm still a good driver.
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That's what you lot sound like to me.

Yes, but to be fair, that's because you appear to possess no sense of perspective.

Don't worry though. It does seem to be a very common problem on here? Has anybody mentioned hitler yet? I feel this thread is due a comparison with the holocaust. A glaring oversight so far

IanW - Member

Speedings OK,
I know when it's dangerous or not; my car can easily do 60 mph on most 30 limit areas no problem.

It's a bit like drink driving sometime I drive so smashed I can hardly walk, it's not a problem I'm still a good driver.
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That's what you lot sound like to me.

"I'm not listening to a word anyone says, because it's easier to just imagine an alternative conversation in which everyone but me is a moron" is what this sounds like to me.

Yes, but to be fair, that's because you appear to possess no sense of perspective.

And it has to be said, with no sense of perspective, it is probably better to rigidly stick to the speed limits.

Very hard to just for yourself in that situation.

Drivers will use pretty much any defence to justify their wrong doings on the road - see The Flying Ox's quite ridiculous post.

So... you're [i]for[/i] speeding, especially when silly but also technically correct arguments are posed to support it? I find that a highly irresponsible viewpoint to hold.

"I'm not listening to a word anyone says, because it's easier to just imagine an alternative conversation in which everyone but me is a moron" is what this sounds like to me.

Unless someone's come up with a reason not posted in the dozen previous threads on this subject the assumption your all morons is reasonable.

I'm not one to pick up on grammar / spelling mistakes as a rule as it's a bit of a cheap shot; but when you're making a blanket statement that everyone bar yourself is a moron you really should pay attention to making sure your own house is in order.

The Flying Ox

I'm confused as to where you stand on the whole speeding thing now.

I have two viewpoints on speeding. When I'm commuting to work on my bike I'm very much against it. When I'm behind the wheel myself I'll pick and choose which limits I adhere to.

I quite clearly say that the example I used is not sensible, and you say I'm being ridiculous.

It's the internet- surely you don't expect me to read the whole thing?!

The problem as I see it is the car has eaten our public thoroughfares and made islands out of housing blocks. Kids used to play in the street, now parents don't like them walking anywhere.

Speed on the motorway is one thing, but on country roads?

Maybe vehicles need a GPS speedo. Large flashing light on dash if you exceed speed limit, message to Police if you do so by more than 10mph followed by automatic fine and points.

Maybe if the NHS offered free penis extensions, there wouldn't be such a problem. 🙂

epicyclo - Member

The problem as I see it is the car has eaten our public thoroughfares and made islands out of housing blocks. Kids used to play in the street, now parents don't like them walking anywhere.

I'm not convinced. I grew up here, since then the speed limits have all dropped, there's not any more cars on the back roads than there used to be... But we used to play in the street, now I never see that. I could choose one of many tabloid reasons- if I'd had a modern games console I'd have played it a lot! And o'course lots of people are scared of zombie saville etc. I don't think you can blame the car for that.

Speed on the motorway is one thing, but on country roads?

Maybe vehicles need a GPS speedo. Large flashing light on dash if you exceed speed limit, message to Police if you do so by more than 10mph followed by automatic fine and points.

Maybe if the NHS offered free penis extensions, there wouldn't be such a problem

Please tell me you are a woman?

Have people failed to see that you can still 'speed' without going over the limit. e.g 60mph twisty country lane

I enjoy driving on country lanes, i do not thrash my car but will drive in a 'spirited' manner when the situation allows it, 99% of the time it is BELOW the speed limit though, i will NOT risk the safety of my OH who is usually with me....

I drive a fast car, it has brilliant brakes 4 wheel drive, great suspension and is in top mechainical order - Not the same as nearly rolling over as you thrash your people carrier round a corner with horrendous brakes and eco tyres...

Answer me this - if i am going at 55mph on a nsl road and i have an accident that is my fault, is it because i am an 'idiot speeding driver with a small penis' or would this only apply if i was going over 60mph?

I love cycling, but i also have a love for cars - as do many bike riders, just look at the cars pro DH riders have - Brendan fairclough has a RS4 one of the dj riders a mitsubishi evo, josh bryceland has a Nissan Skyline...

You can enjoy driving and not be a total d@ck - and that includes occasionally going over the speed limit.

The cul de sac where I grew up was empty all day and had maybe 3 cars parked at night. Now it's full all day. When any residents leave a space, a commuter fills it up. Statistics show that car ownership has increased significantly in the past 40 years and they're not all being left parked in garages or driveways.