[Closed] Speeding fine WTF?

Is there evidence out there that someone has actually been done for 31 in a 30?

The guy running my speed awareness course claimed that was the case in Wales.

There were some on my course who claimed to have been done for 33 in a 30.

Everyone commenting on the idiot Driver is as usual holier than thou. I'm sure everyone has speeddedd at some point or another and just not been caught.

When I did a speed awareness course recently the a Instructor asked each person how they were caught.

Everybody had some excuse, most along the lines of didn't realise the speed they were going.

When it came to me, I said I was speeding and had intended to be. Cruise set at 80mph, done at 79mph. Since then I've set the cruise at 79mph, as that'll be 1 mph below the MW been-done limit 🙂

If a driver doesn't know how fast they are going, they're a 5h1t driver IMO

Everyone commenting on the idiot Driver is as usual holier than thou. I'm sure everyone has speeddedd at some point or another and just not been caught.

Slow down, fella. Your spelling is out of control.

OP. Ring the relevant people on Monday and query the decision. The only solace is you at least got your money's worth. I got done for doing 33 in a 30 zone last year. That stung.

Everyone commenting on the idiot Driver is as usual holier than thou. I'm sure everyone has speeddedd at some point or another and just not been caught.

This whole "indicated speed" thing also annoys me. "You got done at 77 so indicated must have been 85" etc. How do you know? Are all speeds calibrated "out"? Seems pointless to me. If it says 30 I do 30 on my speedo. Why is that hard to follow?

Seems pointless to me. If it says 30 I do 30 on my speedo. Why is that hard to follow?

Which reminds me, someone at the course a colleague went on was complaining that she was only 1 mph over the limit. The instructors insisted that she must have been going faster. She was adamant. 1 mph over the limit. not a single bit more.

She was doing 37 in a 30. "10% + 3mph =36, so that's the [i]real[/i] limit. I was only doing 1mph more than that" 🙄

Edit: And the answers when the instructors asked what the national speed limit for a single carriageway road was were between 40 and 80mph 😯

Everyone commenting on the idiot Driver is as usual holier than thou. I'm sure everyone has speeddedd at some point or another and just not been caught.

Got caught twice once I was speeding doing 76 in a 70 the other I wasn't but copper insisted I was; he couldn't play the tape as he'd not chosen to record it, 56 in a 50 he claimned. It was a 50 after a few accidents it had been 70, when the storm settled after the accidents it went back to 70.

I'm a little disappointed the limit for prosecution is so high, but I guess our court systems wouldn't be able to cope. The fixed penalty fines really should be a lot higher to deter people, £200 for doing 49 in a 40 is getting off lightly.

And whilst we're at it I speed every time I'm on a dual carriageway when on work duty as I'm in a van. I think I'm right in thinking the limit is 60 for such things which I have to question why? My 3 year old van will certainly stop quicker and in a safer fashion than some chavved up corsa driven by a child! All wrong I tell ya all wrong!

[quote=shindiggy ]I'm a little disappointed the limit for prosecution is so high, but I guess our court systems wouldn't be able to cope. The fixed penalty fines really should be a lot higher to deter people, £200 for doing 49 in a 40 is getting off lightly.

It would appear that there are between 200,000 and 250,000 speeding tickets issued each year in England and Wales. Increasing the fixed penalty by another £100 or so would bring in some much-needed revenue.

@ Wrightyson you and the van may stop there's a good chance your load may not. Have a look at the mess a bulkbag of aggregate can do under emergency stop conditions on 5th Gear. That's why the 60 limit for larger vans is in place.
Edited for bag clarification.

I've got a limit of 650 kg ish I think in the transit. Few big lads in lycra and bikes are pushing that in a Mondeo some weekends I reckon...

That is some big lads but your van can take 3 people too.

I've got a limit of 650 kg ish I think in the transit. Few big lads in lycra and bikes are pushing that in a Mondeo some weekends I reckon.

Three 30 stone riders? 😆

Is there evidence out there that someone has actually been done for 31 in a 30?

I can scan the entire communication with SYP if you want ,

If it says 30 I do 30 on my speedo.

I'd rather you drove to the conditions, which may be less than 30.

10%+2 is ACPO guidelines ie. Only advice on what they consider good practice. Thames Valley add an extra +1. Most welsh forces will prosecute at as low a speed vas they can get away with.

As a rule speedos tend to over read speed, though most of the ones I've compared to GPS very accurate certainly FAR less than 10% out.

I've just had a nosey on gov.uk, at the speed limits. I always thought a van was 60 on a motorway, the same as a dual carriageway, but if I've read it correctly, it's 70. Is this right or have I misread it?

70 on a motorway.

Lots of forces operate a TOR system, (traffic officer report) where you dont get a ticket, but are verbally NIP'd for the offence and reported. The facts are then sent to an admin dept who look at your previous driver behaviour/reports. As far as im aware the 10%+2mph threshold still exists and despite hearing many times about people who have been prosecuted for a lower limit....i have never seen any documentary evidence to support this.

As a rule speedos tend to over read speed, though most of the ones I've compared to GPS very accurate certainly FAR less than 10% out.

I think car speedos must be accurate within 7% and must not under-estimate actual speed. For that reason, and because getting the reading perfect is challenging, most manufacturers will aim for + 3-4%. Then if the speedo is a couple of mph out it's still legal.

That's my understanding anyway. My old (2008) Civic would indicate 65 for a GPS indicated 60mph. Of course GPS doesn't take into account (the vertical component of) hills very well .

My wife recently came home and said I think I've just been caught speeding by a police motorcyclist with a speed gun. Sure enough a week or so later the summons arrives (she was doing 41 in a 30), trouble is the car (a Yaris) is registered in my name, so we've had to send the form back and we're waiting fore the outcome.

I think car speedos must be accurate within 7%

+10%, +6.25mph, -0.

So 70mph could show as high as 83.25mph, but not less than 70mph.

As far as im aware the 10%+2mph threshold still exists and despite hearing many times about people who have been prosecuted for a lower limit....i have never seen any documentary evidence to support this.

I guess I imagined mine.

Yeh, they also tend to be very accurate at lower speeds, and progressively over read more, so a reading of 30mph will be pretty much bang on, but if you're reading a hundred, your almost guaranteed to be going slower.

That's percentages for you. (-:

OP you should have had other letters, seems a bit strange - I would query it

My ex-wife got done for 33 in a 30 by a speed camera in Leeds.

Flaperon for president!

I phoned the court to query it, and was told that this is now policy (in Wales at least)- rather than a fixed penalty notice, speeding fines are now sent to the magistrate.
So a £100 fine becomes a £200 fine.
This was relatively minor speeding with a clean driving licence, so beware when making progress. 🙂