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Pleading guilty = lower sentence-didn't have much choice when he was shown the video did he? I wonder what story the killer would have come up with if there had been no CCTV no doubt backed up by his pals ?
These sort of horrible crimes are far too commonplace.Before the days of CCTV the thugs involved usually denied even being there and so the Police had a hell of a job trying to prove their case.At least now CCTV helps nail them.


 
Posted : 08/05/2014 2:37 pm
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You'd have to prove premeditated intent for a murder conviction, which would be unlikely in this scenario.

NB I'm not saying I agree with the outcome, just that blaming the judge is miss-placed. Due process was followed by all. You need a change of sentencing guidelines to get tougher sentences for this case, which, as there is case law in existence, would need an act of parliament to over rule the case law (AIUI).


 
Posted : 08/05/2014 2:40 pm
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Murder is an offence under the common law of England and Wales. It is considered the most serious form of homicide, in which one person kills another with the intention to unlawfully cause either death or serious injury
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Under the definition above surely with Lewis Gill's boxing background and the force of the attack not be enough of an intention cause "unlawfully cause either death or serious injury".


 
Posted : 08/05/2014 2:52 pm
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nope.


 
Posted : 08/05/2014 2:52 pm
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You have to prove intention beyond reasonable doubt. Can't see how you'd manage that.

As I keep pointing out, punching someone does not normally end up killing them!


 
Posted : 08/05/2014 2:54 pm
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Which is exactly why we need a 2nd degree murder charge. He undertook a course of action which he must have known carried the possibility of killing the man.

I don't usually go all Daily Mail and scream about injustice or British law, but in this case I really think it is lacking.


 
Posted : 08/05/2014 4:15 pm
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Mods, can you please remove the video please? I saw an edited version on the news this morning and made me physically feel sick...

The guy should be locked up for far far longer.


 
Posted : 08/05/2014 5:35 pm
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