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Me - Nope - pointing out some massive hypocrisy and I would like a decent solution to one of the last colonial outposts.
we gave Hong kong back after all - against the wishes of the inhabitants
I would be surprised if Argentina has allowed itself to fall significantly behind in military technology. It is actively in the process of constructing nuclear powered submarines, which doesn't exactly suggest that they don't recognise the importance of up-to-date technology.And I think it is extremely likely that Argentina could inflict substantial damage to UK armed forces.
the armchair general speaks 😉
the only way there will be a shooting war is if the Argies use military aggression, are you suggesting they are going to do that?
I would like a decent solution to one of the last colonial outposts.
What is it about the Falkland Islands that requires a 'solution'? Can you lay it out for me simply with evidence? I'm a bit thick you see.
The argies military survives on a pitiful budget (one of the lowest in SA)
Their forces are half our number if that. Our military is even more superior to that of the argies than it was last time due to having been proper war fighting for the last X years. They would be crackers to even try it.
We have a fast air presence on the islands and the subs. I'd be surprised if we'd even need boots on the ground.
and I would like a decent solution to one of the last colonial outposts.
by making it a different kind of colonial outpost ?
seriously, some people have fallen down a rabbit hole on this one.
argentina is a colonial state, we're not talking about returning sovereignty to disenfranchised indegenes.
we gave Hong kong back after all - against the wishes of the inhabitants
here we go with the selective self determination thing again.
HK was leased to us by the Chinese. The lease expired.
I would like a decent solution to one of the last colonial outposts.
what is your solution? oh yes
TandemJeremy - Member
FWIW I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British. I thin the islands should be given independence under UN protection. Same as Northern Ireland or Gibralter.
you then define Britain as
Great Britain? its a defined geographic area - the island that makes up England Scotland and Wales
which means another 1000+ islands need to go 😉
or is it time for the new "Edinburgh Defence" 😉
Trailmonkey - you have accused me of that a couple of times - please explain why?
I have never said that anyone should be handed over to anyone else against their will. However I do point out the massive hypocrisy on this.
chagossians - kicked of their land and refused the right to return despite court judgements in their favour - status very similar to the Falklands. Hong Kong - handed to china against the will of its people. Falklands - whatever the people wish they can have.
Falklands - whatever the people wish they can have.
They wish to be British, so STFU.
Big and daft - its not my definition of Britain - that is the only definition of britain - the mainland.
There's a big difference with Hong Kong TJ that i suspect you know perfectly well.
Hong Kong was merely leased for 99yrs, it was never a British possession to begin with.
Whats your point CFH?
I have never said that Scotland should or should not leave the UK
Surely the right of its people to self determination should triumph? thats what yo want for the Falklands isn't it. the right of self determination?
<head explodes>
So what muddydwarf - its still a massive hypocrisy.
What about the right of the people to self determination?
I have never said that Scotland should or should not leave the UK
😐
Trailmonkey - you have accused me of that a couple of times - please explain why?
well, you don't seem to care that the inhabitants of the falklands are quite happy to remain as they are, so when you ask ..........
TandemJeremy - Member
So you don't believe in the right to self determination of a people?
i guess you're being selective about which people have that right.
I haven't CFH. I have outlined the argument but I have never said my preference. ( apart from once directly asked by Ernie)
Now - the right of a people to self determination.
Yes for the Falklanders?
No for the Chagossians
No for the Honk Kong.
No for the scots?
is that how you see it?
What about the cornish?
Not at all trailmonkey. I beleive people have that right.
So - my new defence - I have been warned off obsessive arguing - I don't think I can make any further points here anyway.
🙂
If it is going to be handed to anyone it should be handed to Tierra del Fuego as it is thought the Yaghan people were the first to visit the Falkland Islands. And as just over 61% of Tierra del Fuego belongs to Chile and the rest to the Argentineans then maybe Chile should lay claim to it?
Not at all trailmonkey. I beleive people have that right.
except the falkland islanders.
selective,
glitchy bump
And point out where I said that trailmonkey? cos I didn't
I have been warned off obsessive arguing
That's like telling a dog not to lick its cock anymore. 😐
*muffled noise from Edinburgh*
you've repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina.
don't go all edinburgh and deny it
tbh, i think that this is a side issue anyway. i think you've been talking more far nonsense about the colonial stuff.
thinking that you solve the issue of colonialism by shifting the metropole that the periphery is ruled by is one of the daftest things i've ever heard on here.
Pmsl @ Darcy! 🙂
TandemJeremy - Member
Big and daft - its not my definition of Britain - that is the only definition of britain - the mainland
so do you have to live on that single island to be British?
remember you said
FWIW I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British....Great Britain? its a defined geographic area - the island that makes up England Scotland and Wales
more "Edinburgh Defence"? 😉
trailmonkey - Memberyou've repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina.
really - you will be able to copy and paste the post then. Lets see it.
big_n_daft - Memberso do you have to live on that single island to be British?
My cousin lives on Scilly, I think he speaks a bit of Spanish though and he likes steak so maybe TJ's brave new world won't be so bad after all!
really - you will be able to copy and paste the post then. Lets see it.
here, not quite sure that you got the translation right, but we get the gist anyhow
La malvinas son argentinas
Muchas pwnage
la malvinas son argentinas
Hmm, 'malvinas', I've heard that somewhere before...
I think it loosely translates as 'the bad wine is Argentine' and I for one agree. I prefer Chilean personally, but let's not be churlish about this, we'll let the Gauchos run the BBQ.
Job jobbed.
Only If you think that means that I have "repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina against the wishes of the people"
TandemJeremy - MemberTeamhurtmore - I pointed out the hypocrisy - thats all. that and ainflamatory spanish phrase. I didn't actually state what I thought should be done with the islands did I
FWIW I have no time for places not in Britain but that want to be British. I thin the islands should be given independence under UN protection. Same as Northern Ireland or Gibralter.
so trailmonkey - are you going to copy and paste the repeated posts were I say that I think that the falklands should be returned to argentina against the will of its people"?
PeterPoddy - MemberTJ, Ernie:
I've had a quick scan through this thread and I get the feeling you'd both just roll over and hand the Falklans over to the Argentinians? Yes?
If so, you disgust me, truly you do, and I'm glad you're a very small, very wrong minority.
If not, sorry, please forgive me.
Well you should have read what I said instead of just scanning, then you wouldn't be in such a dilemma about whether you should be disgusted or apologetic.
Go back and read what I've written and let me know of you're disgusted - if so, I'll see what I can do about changing my opinions just for you 🙂
TJ stop digging. Please.
CFH - It would be nice if people did not accuse me of saying things I never have.
Attack me for what I have said -fine. Invent things - why?
I have never said that the falklands should be returned to Argentina against the will of its people.
You stated that the Falklands were Argentinian, they are not. For them to be so would be against the will of the Falklanders.
Only If you think that means that I have "repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina against the wishes of the people
oh come on, you've also been rattling on about some nonsense about [i]colonial solutions[/i]
I would like a decent solution to one of the last colonial outposts.
by transfering sovereignty to another colonial power ? we're not talking about disenfranchised indegenes. we're talking about a different set of colonial settlers.
absurd.
This is my position.
I think the islands should be given independence under UN protection.
trailmonkey - Memberyou've repeatedly said that you think that the falklands should be returned to argentina.
really - you will be able to copy and paste the post then. Lets see it.
Still waiting.
That may well be your position, but THEY DON'T WANT to be independent, ffs!
not read all 6 pages of jingoistic chestbeating and south american brinkmanship but is this an official 'TJ-thread' yet?
How long after taking something by force does it become your right to decide what happens to it in your opinion Flashy? Imagine its your bike say and a ruffian from the streets robbing you..just asking like
Read the UN they dont get to decide as they are a plantation whose role is to be "british"
Still waiting.
already showed you. but if you don't want to see. oh, go on then, once more
La malvinas son argentinas
I think the islands should be given independence under UN protection.
so not argentinian then ?
you must have been just joking when you claimed that earlier.