[Closed] SOME dog owners make me very angry.....

As self-appointed arbiter - and in the interests of seasonal good will to all men - may I suggest we forget that [i]someone[/i] ever mentioned (or maybe didn't) that dog owners have a legal responsibility to stop crotch sniffing. Put it down as an aberration of the internet. We otherwise all seem to be in agreement on this topic, which would be a nice way to wrap it up (seasonal pun intended).

I could ask Murphy again but he's asleep now.

Ski it isnt me. My dog would have caught and killed one before the road! Actually will be there on boxing dsy thing dog will be on a lead!

OK I haven't read much more than the first page so might get flamed but tough. IMHO the OP has every right to ask the owner to call back the dog. My little girl was bitten in the face by a friends dog when she was two. I have managed to get her used to a couple of friends dogs and she is fine and comfortable with them. However she is scared of big strange dogs. I don't blame her - I might be scared if a carnivorous animal much bigger and heavier than me came running over to me. Dogs in public area's should be under control. Simple. Unless you are a dog loving child hater or a troll.

I love these dog threads.

TandemJeremy - Member

richc -- why the personal abuse? Because you have lost the debate?

TandemJeremy - Member

Richc you realy are pathetic and laughable. really 🙄

As self-appointed arbiter - and in the interests of seasonal good will to all men - may I suggest we forget that someone ever mentioned (or maybe didn't) that dog owners have a legal responsibility to stop crotch sniffing. Put it down as an aberration of the internet.

Ok, in the interest of Seasonal Harmony (and to save TJ having to admit he was wrong) 

I'll agree that nobody said this:

[quote=Tandem Jeremy] .....
Prezet - why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me?
I don't like it, I don't want your dog to do this.
Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.

An when they weren't saying it, they didn't mean what they actually meant. 

And furthermore, they didn't try and prove it was true for a while, before realising it was hopeless and changing their tune by saying they didn't mean it and [u]it was all made up etc*[/u]

Is that better

(*which it was, as nobody said it, right?)

I did say that which is quite correct.

What I didn't say, which is what you claimed, is that there is a law against dogs sniffing around! Not the same as what I posted

You do have a legal obligation under various bits of law to keep your dog under control which would stop it from bothering me. if you do that then there will be no problems and the dog will not have an opportunity to stick its nose where it is not wanted.

see - simple isn't it - even a dog could understand 🙂

Stand away from the keyboard TJ FFS

What I didn't say, which is what you claimed, is that there is a law against dogs sniffing around! Not the same as what I posted

Shocking isn't it. I can't see how anyone could have inferred that!

You do have a legal obligation under various bits of law to keep your dog under control [b]which would stop it from bothering me.[/B]

No it wouldn't. you said you don't want peoples dogs sniffing you.:

[quote=TJ]
why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me?

I don't like it, I don't want your dog to do this.

No law says I cant let my dog wander over to you and sniffing you.

So no, it won't stop you being "bothered"

[quote=TJ].....if you do that then there will be no problems and [b]the dog will not have an opportunity to stick its nose where it is not wanted[/b].

Yes it will.

The laws only says the dog is considered to be "dangerously out of control" (the exact wording of the offence)

if it has injured someone,

or if there is [b]Reasonable[/b] belief that it will.

Why do yu have to try to distort what i say?

neal
you said you don't want peoples dogs sniffing you.

why should I have to accept your dog [b]coming up to me[/b] and sniffing me?

???? see those words in bold? makes a differnce 🙄 😛 🙄

Is the [i]no walk zone[/i] a specified and clearly marked distance? Do the dog owners have to guess at which point you consider a dog to be simply passing? What are the give away signs that help you determine whether the dog is going to sniff your crotch in a manner that causes offence or is simply going to aggressively ignore you?

I'm a dog owner and am happy with my dog but most other dogs are a pain in the ass......

If I see that someone especially a child doesn't like dogs I always pull him back in on the lead as to not offend.

If Jeremy doesn't want dogs coming and sniffing round him that's his prerogative, but.... though if he says Leicester Tigers are "cheating bastards" again I'm setting my dog on him to give his crotch a good lick/sniffing !!

If Jeremy doesn't want dogs coming and sniffing round him that's his prerogative, but...

TJ could possibly be having kittens, calling the police and trying to have me charged

I'm only skimming this thread, but what's this? TJ is charging you to sniff his crotch?

I was going to ask how much, but realised that that doesn't matter

TandemJeremy - Member
Why do yu have to try to distort what i say?

neal
you said you don't want peoples dogs sniffing you.
why should I have to accept your dog [b]coming up to me[/b] and sniffing me?

???? see those words in bold? makes a differnce

No.

Thay make no difference whatsoever.

As a dog owners LEGAL obligation, is to make sure their dog is not [b]Dangerously out of Control[/b]

Their legal responsibility is [b]Not[/b] to make sure their dog doesn't

"come up to you and sniff you"
.
.
.
.
Do you Seriously not understand the difference between

[b]"Dangerously out of Control"[/b]

and

[b]"Wandering up to people and sniffing them"
[/b]
because if you dont, I can see whay you think dog owners are breaking the law 😯

If a dog comes charging up to me, is it my responsibility to ascertain whether I'm going to get ignored, covered in drool, or bitten?

The OP's original complaint (remember that?) was that his small child was (rightly or wrongly) scared of the big dog. It's intent isn't relevant, IMHO. The dog owner needs to observe Wheaton's Law.

How is this still going on?
Stop wasting company money.

Nealglover You really are a bit odd. why all the ranting? why this need to totally distort what I say / invent things you claim I say to make some sort of spurious odd point?

As I told you before. there is the civil wrong of "dog not under proper control / close control" and the criminal offence of "dog dangerously out of control"

Don Simon - It nothing to do with fear. Its a dislike . I don't like dogs, they smell, they slobber and I don't want them near me.

I don't ask anything of you that is not your legal obligation - keep it under control, train it properly.

simple

Don Simon - It nothing to do with fear. Its a dislike . I don't like dogs, they smell, they slobber and I don't want them near me.

TandemJeremy - Member
Nealglover You really are a bit odd. why all the ranting? why this need to totally distort what I say / invent things you claim I say to make some sort of spurious odd point?
As I told you before. there is the civil wrong of "dog not under proper control / close control" and the criminal offence of "dog dangerously out of control"

Why do you keep accusing me of "Ranting"

You are not the only person on this forum who is allowed to post you know.

Is it just that if someone disagrees with you, you have to accuse them of "ranting" ?

My points are perfectly clear. And I'm perfectly calm.

You simply ignore all my points, and accuse me of ranting and twisting your words.

I have done no twisting of words, I have quoted you by cut and paste every time.

.
.
You just don't seem to be able to answer my questions 🙄
(you haven't even attempted to)
.
.
I'll just have to presume that's because you are wrong, and just don't like having it spelled out so clearly.

Don - thing is all the decent dog owners on here understand their obligations. Its not rocket science. its not an absurd position to want them to train their dos properly and keep them under control. a few mnore dead dogs would concentrate their minds I guess 🙂

Neal - you continually distort what I say. 🙄

How can I answer something when want you claim I said is not what I have said? really - its very odd.

Have you stopped beating your wife yet? answer that

Don - thing is all the decent dog owners on here understand their obligations

I want to go about my daily life without tyou dog botering me - thats my right. You keep your welkl trained dog under control and it does not bother me. everyone is happy.

You just keep your noisy motorbike away from ears and your tandem off the trails I travel and just be sure that you do absolutely nothing to interfere in my life. It's my right to go about my daily life without being bothered.
[img] http://www.smileys4me.com/getsmiley.php?show=2140 [/img]
[img] http://www.smileys4me.com/getsmiley.php?show=2140 [/img]
[img] http://www.smileys4me.com/getsmiley.php?show=2140 [/img] [img] http://www.smileys4me.com/getsmiley.php?show=2140 [/img] [img] http://www.smileys4me.com/getsmiley.php?show=2140 [/img]
And just for the record TJ, have a read if you want, you'll find that as an owner of proper [i]dangerous [/i] dogs I am one of the most responsible owners out there.

I have done no twisting of words, I have quoted you by cut and paste every time.

It's deja vu all over again.

neal, can i just lend you my support and urge you to keep going as long as you can. I've just had a similar discussion on the Christianity thread. It's unhelpful when other folks snipe and accuse you of not letting go. The thing is TJ continually has these kinds of discussions, in which he ducks and swerve, avoids direct questions and continually accuses you of misquoting him, yet never takes the opportunity to clarify. Instead he repeats statements which you find unproblematic, as though you had trouble understanding them. It's like trying to stab a snake with a pitchfork. Good luck to you, unfortunately i fear he will wear you down. I'm not entirely sure why he does it, well, I have an idea, but i don't really understand why he does it as often as he does. What is clear though, is that he is very at expressing himself as folks often appear to misunderstand his intent. Stay strong, mon brave

I don't know why people get so up their own backsides when you tackle them about their dogs, my neighbors got a rescue dog that constantly barked day & night, I politely had a word with them about it and they were apologetic explaining it had a hard life etc boohoo, they told me they would do something about it and were taking it to dog training classes, however as time went on there was a slight improvement but we were more often than not woken by their barking mutt, so I went around again only to be met by the hostile wife saying what should I expect dogs bark, anyway after a few choice words I started keeping a diary and contacted the council after they had a letter from the council the barking improved dramatically, funny that eh! Anyhow everytime I now go out to my car or on my drive fettling with my bikes or arriving home from work the bloody dog is in their lounge window barking at me, they are in the lounge and do nothing to stop their Ferrell mutt doing this, why should I have their bloody dog impacting on my life, I will be have more words with them, matters weren't helped by there son who is rather flamboyant and very out if you get my meaning decided to stay up late on a school night keeping my children awake, so words were said and ignored so I soaked him and his mates with my hosepipe which didn't go down to well, I explained its better than me knocking his block off. I think some people are just inconsiderate and having a dog gives them more of an excuse to be major pains in the arse. I think every time the dogs barks at me on my drive I will go and bang on their window until they get the message.

Charlie

I have not been ducking swerving and avoiding direct questions here. Neal really does continually take something I say and twist it into another meaning - therefore when He says " why do you claim this" my only answer is "I didn't say that" Because what he keeps claiming I said I never have.

yeah, sure.

Yup - what other person have I affected there?

the kind of response you expect from a speeding motorcyclist giving it beans down twisty mountain roads. it's doing nobody any harm.
until you hit somebody...

TJ, you continually accuse me of misquoting you, or twisting your words, or misrepresenting what you said.

So just for clarity, here is a [b]direct quote[/B] from you.

I haven't changed it any way, it's cut and pasted from this thread.

Just read it

Then have a think about it.

Then explain it ?

[b][quote=TJ]Tandem Jeremy

 ...Prezet - why should I have to accept your dog coming up to me and sniffing me?
I don't like it,
I don't want your dog to do this.
Please acccept your legal responsibilities and control it.

[/b]
Right, have you read it ?

Now explain exactly what you meant by [b]"Legal Responsibility"[/b]

And how does it relate to a dog [b]"coming up to you, and sniffing you"[/b]

.
.
.
(and I [b]cannot[/b] be "Misquoting" you as it's a direct and full quote. I [b]cannot[/b] be twisting your words as I haven't made any statements, just asked questions about what you said.)

I think that is fairly clear. would you like a dictionary?

Legal obligation. Something you are bound to do and a court can enforce it. It might be criminal or civil. There might be stature or case law. No sensible dog owner would deny they have a legal obligation to keep the dog under control.

If your dog is kept under control it does not go up to people uninvited and therefore sniffing around them.

Simple, straightforward and concise

Now cue another load of hysterical rantings, distortions and denials.

No sensible dog owner would deny they have a legal obligation to keep the dog under control.

Surely this has nothing to do with the sensibility of the dog owner or if in fact a person is a dog owner at all. Either a dog owner has a legal obligation to keep the dog under control or he doesn't. The denial of this is meaningless.

The only issue, assuming the legal obligation, is whether or not a dog which is sniffing a person is out of control, or if you prefer, not under control.

Nice one Charlie 🙂
*tips hat*

If your dog is kept under control it does not go up to people uninvited and therefore sniffing around them.

Said dog has wandered up to TJ and is about to take a sniff, when the victim reaches for his phone to make a formal complaint.

Now, you are twisting his words, it is not the sniffing which is the problem so much as the wandering up.

It's a moot point anyway as my dog had standards...

Now I'm wondering, If i tell my dog to go up to TJ and sniff him, and he obediently does so, surely the dog is under control.

TJ how would you be able to tell if the dog wandering up and sniffing you is doing so under control or not?

It's a mutt point anyway as my dog had standards..

Sorry, just hate seeing waste

Now I'm wondering, If i tell my dog to go up to TJ and sniff him, and he obediently does so, surely the dog is under control.

Legal obligation. Something you are bound to do and a court can enforce it. It might be criminal or civil. There might be stature or case law. No sensible dog owner would deny they have a legal obligation to keep the dog under control.

Both points are true.

And the fact is.

A dog owner has [b]No Legal Obligation Whatsoever[/b] to stop their dog wandering over to you and having a sniff.

Just because you don't want it to. Doesn't make it a "legal obligation"
.
.
.
Do you disagree with that ??

Sadly for you, TJ-Law only exists in your head 😥
.
.

(I'm sat stroking a sleeping dog as I write this, but I suppose you still think I'm "ranting" 🙄 )

(I'm sat stroking a sleeping dog as I write this, but I suppose you still think I'm "ranting" )

Is that a euphemism?

A dog owner has No Legal Obligation Whatsoever to stop their dog wandering over to you and having a sniff.

Really. so you do not have to keep your dog under control then? 🙄 You have repealed the various animals acts? the kennel club think you do.