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How many people working in entertainment have you actually met to develop that opinion?
I’m going for zero. They might touch him.
How many people working in entertainment have you actually met to develop that opinion?
It's not necessary to know a celebrity personally to realize that they're a *. Here's a brief list off the top of my head of people I haven't met, but have decided are *s.
R. Kelly
Kevin Spacey
Bill Cosby
Mel Gibson
Rolf Harris
David Bowie
Eric Clapton
Donald Trump
Louis C.K.
There would be plenty more if I bothered to spend some time on it. Is there somewhere I can apply for a permit to dislike people who I haven't met?
So a quick list of 9 out of a possible list of?
The list from a population of a town would probably be bigger.
You're embarrassing yourself, whatever multiple of doubling down you're now at, just stop.
I never met Hitler, or Stalin, or Putin, or thousands of other ****s. Do I have your permission to dislike them, even though I never met them?
I never met Hitler, or Stalin, or Putin, or thousands of other *s. Do I have your permission to dislike them, even though I never met them?
No issue with disliking people based on evidence whether you met them or not. It's the default that everyone in the same industry is the same. In some circles that would be seen as prejudiced and label you as bigoted.
I just have the default assumption that any entertainment figure is an *hole.
Especially because the wrong'uns get the headlines; nothing sells papers or gets clicks as much as knocking people down.
Do some googling on A listers doing good things, and then on the same basis why not draw the conclusion that all A listers are brilliant people using their agency for good, and influencing others to do the same. It's as evidence based as your default position. Here's one to start you off
Ok, thanks. I do have permission. I also dislike Prince Andrew despite his charitable work, I hope that's ok.
https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=290140&subid=0
The Prince Andrew charitable Trust uses its resources to create initiatives which support the work of The Duke of York's main areas of activity: Education and Skills, Entrepreneurship, Science, Technology and Engineering.
I just have the default assumption that any entertainment figure is an ****hole.
Fair one. I have the same position about civilians who are obsessed with war and think themselves some kind of OSINT guru. Does that make me a bad person?
So by the same token do you dislike all people called Andrew, or all men who were born in 1960, or are you just taking that position on this particular Andrew because of well publicised behaviour?
Because essentially that's what you're doing, taking a (your words paraphrased) "default assumption that any member of a particular group is an ****hole because some of them are"
That is the definition of bigotry
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
So by the same token do you dislike all people called Andrew
Strangely enough, the ones I know personally are quite dislikable people. Every time I meet an Andrew, the warning bells go off in my head, "Here we go again!"
Same goes with Kevins, actually. I never trust a Kevin.
I once met a chap named thols1 who was an argumentative bigoted …
makes you think..
I once met a chap named thols1 who was an argumentative bigoted …
Harsh, because he is is usually one of the better posters on here, but obviously an issue he feels strongly about.
He still is one of the better posters, here included, clear points made in a way that make me smile but seem to be going whooosh over some peoples heads. Keep up the good work thols2.
Edit: Spacey isn't on my own bogey person hate list BTW. My own includes Blair, Bono, Boris (and cronies), Bertrand Cantat... and I've only got as far as B in the alphabet. Never met them.
I've met a few stars over the years and found most to be pretty "normal", one though gave the impression they thought everyone fancied them and made judgemental comments about others which seemed like poor judgement to me.
How is
I just have the default assumption that any entertainment figure is an ****hole.
going whoosh over my head. I'm always open to learning, what am I missing?
Harsh, because he is is usually one of the better posters on here, but obviously an issue he feels strongly about.
fair enough, I’m not familiar with his other works. But some of his comments on here have been ridiculous
There appears to be some pisstaking alongside serious poss. sometimes makes it hard to tell them apart.
thols2 and I have had some robust debates. I have huge respect for what he says as he rarely comments without a good well thought through point. Often skewers me 😉
#thoughtsandprayersforhollywoodmogulvictimsofbigotry
Thols, interesting that your 9 examples were all men. Do you think women in the entertainment industry are also best assumed to be dodgy?
I noticed the same Poly, and then tried to produce a more balanced list, it wasn't possible, people I have enough contempt for to have on my list are male. I'll work on it.
Do you think women in the entertainment industry are also best assumed to be dodgy?
The way the entertainment industry is structured, being a nasty, dishonest * gives you a big advantage in being successful. Anyone successful also has a publicist whose job it is to manipulate the media and get positive stories out there, and to try and bury any negative stories. The assumption you need to make when you meet someone successful from an industry like that is that there is a very good chance they are a *. Some of them obviously aren't. I know a guy who used to run a club that Keanu Reeves liked to visit when he was in town. Apparently, Keanu is a pretty decent guy. George Clooney and his wife also seem to be decent people, but it's hard to know for sure when you're dealing with celebrities. When I was young, I used to think Mel Gibson would be a great guy to have a beer with. Completely wrong about that. Same with Woody Allen. Same with lots of celebrities - you cannot trust that the persona they present to the public is anything resembling reality.
Getting to the question of women, a guy who flatted with some of my university friends got an M.A. in politics and then got a job with a media company back in the 1990s. I didn't particularly like him, he struck me as a pretty-boy who coasted through life on his looks. Anyway, then his female boss at the media company started sexually harassing him, which we didn't take seriously, being young and stupid. "Yeah, what a problem dude, lady wants to shag you and you're complaining," sort of reaction. Anyway, he was so upset about it that he quit the job. I'm sure he probably found something else, but I've always felt bad about not taking that seriously. Now, being a bit older and wiser, I realize that incidents like that happen endlessly, with young people losing their dream jobs because nobody takes their complaints seriously. (I still don't like the guy, he was a pompous dick, but he didn't deserve that.)
So, I'm sure that the perpetrators are overwhelmingly male, but do not assume that female bosses never harass their employees either. Allison Mack and Ghislaine Maxwell are a couple of high-profile female offenders, but they will not be the only ones by a long shot. So, yes, safest thing to do is to assume that anyone working in the entertainment industry is a ****. If they demonstrate otherwise, like Keanu and George Clooney, great, but don't assume that the person they pretend to be when cameras are pointed their way is anything like reality.