Christ knows what’s going on behind the scenes at Old Trafford. Nothing good.
A manager who slags off his players publicly, has alienated the dressing room, lost the fans and doesn't play to any of his players strengths?
That pretty much sums it up, yes
And the stupid run ups, flicks and back heels? Fine if you’re 5 nil up. Or if it actually works
i remember another player who was mocked for doing endless pointless step-overs during his time at OT. Whatever happened to him?
But with him there was an end result
and you could never ever accuse him of coasting through games like these lot. He always gave 100%
Eventually. I remember a couple of seasons of cocky showboating before the end product turned up.
You may be right about Pogba, though. 🙂
It's almost as if we have seen this play out before.....
I remember the away fans singing ‘you’ve bought the wrong Ronaldo!’ In his first season.
That didn’t last long.
youre right though Mike. Watching Jose’s third season implosion is just torturous. We all know how it ends
And in the meantime watching displays of timid, half-arsed mediocrity from the likes of Pogba, Lukaku and Sánchez is getting bloody frustrating, to say the least.
They’re not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as the United Squads Ronnie played in
I do love a rant by Binners....he does them so well! 😀
while I think Mourinho's troubles are well documented, what United are really missing is someone like Roy Keane or Jaap Stam, who just wouldn't let players get away with what they are getting away with now. One look from Roy and Pogba would think twice about trying that run up/silly flick again.
Still love this clip though...... pushes him over nothing, gets a ball thrown at him leading to Keane getting a red card, then Keane heads for him with malice aforethought and still he stands and justs gives him a withering stare...... Shearer was no nonsense when it came to the dark arts wasn't he.
We were saying exactly that last night.
in the Class of 92 Phil Neville tells a story about Keane. Neville had been practicing doing stepovers in training and decided to try it in a game. So he puts a couple in when running at someone and the crowd all cheer it. So he decides to do it again. He does, and the crowd all go mad again.
Then he looks over at Keane who has ‘that look’ on his face and shouts “OI!!! STOP *ING ABOUT!!!!”
He didn’t do it again.
Thats what Pogba needs. Someone to tell him to stop *ing about
He didn’t do it again.
Thats what Pogba needs. Someone to tell him to stop ****ing about
Sums up man u fans there perfectly, you want entertaining dull football and would just be content to win and nothing more.
You can have a team with that talent who coulfd win handsomely and entertain while they did it
Our best player has been Tony Marshall. You don’t see him doing stupid little flicks that don’t come off, or silly penalty run-ups, just 3 absolutely top quality finishes in the last 2 games.
Hes a class act, and the fans bloody love him!
Sums up man u fans there perfectly, you want entertaining dull football and would just be content to win and nothing more.
I have no idea what 'dull entertaining football' is, but show me a fan that doesn't just want his team to win, I'll show you a bullshitter. All this nonsense about the likes of Spurs and Arsenal and their need to play expansive, entertaining football, it's horse shit, All their fans would swap that shit for trophies.
There's positive, attacking, exciting play and there's pissing about doing tricks and giving the ball away in dangerous areas when a game's not won yet.
Not a stepover in sight.....
My sister used to be friends with one of Reading's players, and we saw highlights of this game in the player's bar after their game. The players were transfixed, Forest were the second or third best team in the country at the time and were dismantled. One of the Reading players said that they hoped they never drew them in the cup because they'd get done by double figures.
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I have no idea what ‘dull entertaining football’ is,
It's impossible, which was the point I was making.
Ugly, nervy, committed, lucky and 3 points
They looked so much better when they were in the lead until it got nervous, come on out of the bottom 3
Well this is all very disappointing. The one thing this fixture always delivers is absolute comedy defending on a level similar to watching Laurel and Hardy trying to get a piano up a flight of stairs .
I’ve just complimented some fantastic Arsenal defensive challenges and I don’t think I’ve done that since Tony Adams and Martin Keown we’re playing
Cracking match! God only knows how it’s still nil nil
I reckon this might be settled by a goalkeeping howler
Cracking match! God only knows how it’s still nil nil
Linesman!
Some very tight calls Mike
Big Virgil has fairly stiffened Liverpool's defence up! I think they have the meanest defence from the day he signed, although maybe Klopp is less gung-ho generally this season?
Well BT's pet ref in a box had it as a goal for the Marne one (and he is in my FF team) so I'm going with that!!
As a United fan I have to say that I was much fonder of the standard Liverpoool headless chicken approach to defending. It’s amazing how much difference the right player can make. He’s not just a brilliant defender, he’s a proper leader who organises everyone around him and makes them better players. And does what Vidic used to do for us. Bang them in for fun from corners and free kicks up the other end of the pitch
Milner had a blinder again today. One of the most consistently underrated players in the premiership for years. People go on about the front line at Liverpool, but he must surely be the first name on the team sheet every week?
Yep Milner and Henderson have been the 2 unsung for Liverpool really, great players there.
But watching MOTD, quick first point how did Leciester get away with that away strip against a team in blue?
After that though for all the shit football fans get the coming together there was impeccable, it's been a shit shit week there and I'm glad they won, and the fans of both sides were so respectful. Brought a tear to my eye
Really good game Arsenal Liverpool. 2 heavyweights jabbing. I kinda get the feeling this is a very good arsenal team starting to emerge.
Yeah it almost feels like the sleeping bear has been woken up, they always had the talent and skill but were missing something.
and I'll add that
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1058855654365057025
Could be double figures this afternoon.
Somehow disappointed that city only scored 6, what a time to be alive!
Somehow disappointed that city only scored 6, what a time to be alive!
Better to save a few goals for next Sunday.
Worth watching Ronaldo’s goal.
Somehow disappointed that city only scored 6, what a time to be alive!
Shall we just keep copying & pasting this comment for the rest of the season?
been looking forward to this
But...... Sir Bobby doesn't look very well? A true great no matter your allegiances.
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hate this forum
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Somehow disappointed that city only scored 3, what a time to be alive!
Shall we just keep copying & pasting this comment for the rest of the season?
Maybe.
I'm not getting what all the fuss is about over Sterling's showboating ..I hope he told Mata to go forth and multiply ..even his manager is having a bit of a go..
I found it entertaining..as I'm sure all of the City supporters did too ..and after all is it not why we watch the game ..to be entertained ?
In other (toon related ) news ..good to see us finally getting a couple of wins ..and I doubt I will see a better headed goal than Rondons anywhere this season ..still papering over the cracks though!
I’m not getting what all the fuss is about over Sterling’s showboating ..I hope he told Mata to go forth and multiply ..even his manager is having a bit of a go..
I hope Mata keeps it consistent when Pogba is back from injury.
If you can't have a little showboating in front of your fans when you're on top in the Manchester derby, when can you?
Well that turned out OK then!!
Brilliant start, lost in the middle and up for it till the end. Another semi final 😉
just seen highlights.... looked a great performance, could have been 3 up at halftime.
Bit annoyed at the pundits claiming the Lingard goal came from a Gomez foul throw though because his foot was 'over the line' Read the laws fellas, before spouting crap
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stand facing the field of play
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have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline
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throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head from the point where it left the field of play
Nothing about not being on the field of play......you can stand with both feet practically on the pitch, as long as your heels are slightly on the touchline and it's a fair throw.
Nothing about not being on the field of play……you can stand with both feet practically on the pitch, as long as your heels are slightly on the touchline and it’s a fair throw
Um, no.
Part of each foot in the touchline or in the ground outside the touchline means exactly that. It does not mean part of each foot on the ground inside the touchline. Or to put it another way, you must have part of each foot on the ground. That piece of ground must be on or outside the touchline.
It was 100% a foul throw. It isn't enough to read tge laws of the game you also need to know how to interpret them.
Nope.
I am a qualified ref, albeit haven't done it for a few years, and I keep up to date with the laws.
It isn’t enough to read tge laws of the game you also need to know how to interpret them.
I agree, yet you interpret them as saying 'your foot must be on or behind the line' which the laws specifically do not say, and if they wanted to say that they would. What they specifically say is that you have to have part of each foot on or behind the line, which he did. Therefore, fair throw.
But for avoidance of doubt; this bloke agrees with me.
as does the Reffing equivalent of STW (not sure if that's validation)
It's detail and possibly minor, but it annoys me these guys get paid to discuss the game and yet don't make the effort to know the laws. Although in fairness now it's been pointed out Lee Dixon has admitted he's wrong.
Answer provided by Referee Joe McHugh
Both feet must be touching the ground on or behind the line for the throw in to be legal. A foot clearly over the line on the field of play is an incorrectly taken throw in and the throw in is then taken by the opponents. Also the player must have both feet on the ground either on or behind the line at the moment of release. If the player's momentum take him forward after releasing the ball that is not a breach of the Law. One of the most common mistakes at underage is running / walking while taking the throw in and clearly at release one foot has to be in air which is not allowed.
But for avoidance of doubt; this bloke agrees with me.
Dermot Gallagher answers a different question. He bases his decision on the fact that, in his opinion, Gomez's foot was not touching the ground inside the touch line. The fact is debatable, the law is clear. The shot I saw I thought part of his foot was over the line.
If you had ever seen the way the IFAB works, you'd know why they are written the way they are and why they need interpretation. Get a bunch of half addled octogenarians, feed them a massive lunch with wine, then get them to discuss the rules.
This law hasn't changed in any set of laws I've ever seen. If you want to start a fight like the Facebook puzzle thread with a bunch of referees, ask them why the lines are part of the area of the field that they define, but on a throw in you are allowed to stand on the line that defines the field but you are not on the field then duck and run.
Sorry, but he's wrong as well.
Gallagher isn't answering a different question at all, it's clear that his foot has broken the line but as long as he has (and I quote again) "part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline" he hasn't entered the FoP.
What do you make of Law 17 then? What constitutes 'in' in that respect (cos it's directly analogous to the throw in)
On your second point - yes - it's an anomaly but still doesn't make it wrong. And it's not even really interpretation..... it's a matter of fact. Has he met all the conditions in the law (as opposed to breaking your interpretation of a bit that isn't in the law about not having anything over the line)
cf also cricket. The crease line has a distinct width so they clearly define which edge applies - when bowling the front, so standing 99% over the line but with part of your foot on* the line is OK. Yet when batting for run outs and stumped the BACK of the line applies.
* actually can even be off the ground but the 'line' is a plane for the purposes of the law.
