If you have cheese with the bacon it cancels out the carsenginines.
Likewise gravy for red meat/sausages.
Moppy bread for the gravy then adds a further 10 years to your life per slice.
Had a racion of bellota ham tonight, surrounded by people doing similar. They all looked and sounded happy and no-one died. There's processed meat and processed meat. I'd like to see additional data on relative poverty, stress, alienation and unemployment, preservatives and additives.
kudos100 has it - lets face it, the curing process uses loads of salt, should be obvious to be at least moderate with it
I'd like to see additional data on relative poverty, stress, alienation and unemployment
I earn over the average wage, I'm naturally stressed, seen it - decent film, have been unemployed once. So, how long have I got?
Well firstly I'm not giving up bacon.
I gave up cigs, drink alot less than I have ever used too, eat a lot less bread as well.
I'm just not giving up anything else. Lets face it in 10 years time they will find out it was all bad for us and we should just eat grass and the odd furry animal. 🙄
I think the occasional can of Redbull does me far more damage than my bacon and egg sandwich on a Sunday morning.
Never eat processed meat, or much in the way of meat generally, apart from salami on pizza, and a kebab after a couple of beers a couple of times a month. Will I die? 😉
Never mind the carcinogens eating too much bacon is bad for your heart anyway.
I try and eat everything in moderation so this announcement will make zero difference.
[quote=b r ]1%! So barely any difference...
Lies, damn lies and stats. I have to admit I like using that 1% figure no more than I like the 18% figure most of the articles trot out. The best thing to do is give the raw numbers - according to the CRUK link, 56 people in every 1000 of those who have a low processed meat intake will develop bowel cancer, 66 of every 1000 with a high processed meat intake will develop bowel cancer. It's not a huge difference, but then if you do eat a lot of bacon and you're one of the 6.6% of that group who develop bowel cancer, you will be left wondering whether you might have been in the 94.4% group if your consumption had been lower.
The question is, what is the additional % risk for each rasher?
I've now also found the other stat I was after - bowel cancer appears to have a 60% long term survival rate (the 5 year and 10 year rates are the same, so it appears if you survive for 5 years you're in the clear). Hence eating lots of processed meat increases your chances of dying from bowel cancer by 0.4% (though another 0.6% are due a fairly unpleasant time).
Old news. Eating quality red meat a few times a week is probably not going to make any difference. Eating crappy processed meat 3 times a day, is not good for you (shock, horror!) And may lead in an increased risk of bowel cancer.
Red meat increases the chance of cancer too, just not as much as processed red meat. And they had a scientist on the radio this morning, the 'quality' of the meat makes [b]no [/b]difference to the risk.
Frying bacon as I type.
Everything in moderation accept filthy smoking.
...and the certainty of the link with causing cancer is slightly lower for unprocessed red meat, it's only a probable cause of cancer.
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Everything in moderation.
You would say that.
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When you say 'moderation'. I think 8 rashes from my butchers a week is right. Tesco's bacon releases a lot of white congealing matter. Eeee.
I doubt Tesco or your butcher makes much if any difference to the cancer risk.
In moderation and quality, avoiding overly processed foods, it's possible to go for bacon without all the other stuff added (just not the salt which is mostly discarded anyway) in the end of the day the byproduct of a longer life is more things to die from.
The white congealing stuff is just where it's been bulked up with water, it comes out when it's cooked. Since that means less red meat per uncooked gram, a half pound of the tesco stuff is arguably healthier than a half pound from the butcher.
Maybe but the Butcher let me hold two dead pheasants and let my son touch/talk about them. You don't get that in a non Local Butchers Shop (LBS) 😉
Did he pluck the pheasant?
Everything in moderation accept filthy smoking.
Exactly what the lady from the WHO said on TV
@hora, great your kid can understand food and where it comes from. I naturally eat less meat as a result of understanding where to comes from.
I would guess I eat red meat 2 or 3 meals a week. Tainkynwas a time when bacon and/or sausage sandwiches where the daily breakfast but a lot of that was stress related and Inwas looking for a feel good factor (bizarre as it's obviously the opposite effect health wise)
Chicken curry is good for me, right? Does having a beer with it make it even more healthy?
I work in colerectal cancer research, I get the rare pleasure of hanging out in operating theatres waiting for some poor sod to get a large chunk of their tumourous lower bowel removed,
Gather it up in a bucket, rush it back to pathology, and convince the pathologist to let me have some bits of the tumour so I can get it back to the lab and extract dna/rna
If we are lucky there might even be some secondary tumours from liver or other parts of the bowel etc, very useful for our research, very bad for the patient.
Patient info is anonymised but we get their ages and gender, males in their 30s or 40s arent as uncommon as you might think,
that's a tumour sitting in a small chunk of colon
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Aracers right the cumulative chance of dying from bowel cancer thanks to red meat is relatively low and things have improved a lot, better screening, better characterisation, better treatment etc
However the treatment itself is very unpleasant and removing a chunk of your bowel leaves you crapping into a colostomy bag for the rest of your life and that's not fun for anyone
Jamby is also right processed red meat is also very bad for your heart
1% doesn't sound like much of an increased risk but on a national and international scale that's a lot of lives shortened
We certainly try to limit our red meat intake at home, but yknow I do like my bangers n mash!
Also of bizarre clinical note that if you have ulcerative colitis (a very unpleasant inflammation of the bowel) smoking is actually an effective treatment, of sorts
Is bacon really nice enough to increase the risk of dying early and in pain, its got no nutritional value to speak of, its expensive and killing stuff is all pretty unpleasant, why bother?
Is beer? Is mountain biking? Is driving? Is flying?
Etc
Killing stuff is unpleasant..
Right. Our presence on this earth results in the suffering and death of creatures, large and small including damaging the fabric of nature itself.
I'm going to continue enjoying the odd bacon sandwich or sausage stew but I'm not going to get all ukip about it on an internet forum.
1984 ffs.
Well put
Not exactly what I said hora.
Knock yourself out though, neither here or there really and not worth getting defensive about a slice of pig.
Depends. If we are talking about (proper) pork pies then yes, defensive, offensive etc 😀
[url= http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/06/worlds-oldest-woman-116-eats-bacon-everyday/73444660/ ]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/06/worlds-oldest-woman-116-eats-bacon-everyday/73444660/[/url]
What's a proper pork pie though.
If you listened to all the advice about what not to eat, there wouldn't be much left on the list!
Moderation is the key!
Right. Our presence on this earth results in the suffering and death of creatures, large and small including damaging the fabric of nature itself.
You don't think Elephants do this? Or Termites? The think is, most life on this plan services by consumption of one or many things, not just humans.
And the 1984 reference, was a humorous left field hint at state control.
Processed food will be the death of our generation if eaten in quantity. Too much of anything can kill ya. The odd bacon sandwich wont kill ya but the evidence is presented by WHO to say if you eat too much of it, then you have a higher risk of dying from cancer. Go ahead eat bacon sandwiches every day, followed by a hamburger for lunch and MaccyD's for tea, stats show it will kill some of ya.
I see the bravado of youth in most replies, hey you'll live forever right?
/gets off soapbox and nips to Greggs.
I see the bravado of youth in most replies, hey you'll live forever right?
I think it's more like the cantankerousness of closed-minded middle age TBF.
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Crusty white bloomer, roughly sliced into slabs. Butter. Ketchup. Lots of smoked bacon. Mug of tea.
If that kills me then I will die a happy man.
Have I missed something or is binners missing from this thread?
Hi!
*waves* 😀
Where do we stand on double sausage and egg mcmuffins then?
Are the bloody health nazi's telling me that they're bad for me now? Since packing in smoking they're the only pleasure I have in life! Are they going to deprive me of those? ARE THEY?!!! 😥
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Actually... on a related note, one of my mates drives artics for Maccy D's. The drivers all tend to have regular Maccy D's breakfasts (he doesn't himself). But not long back, they brought [url= http://www.mcdonaldsmenu.mobi/breakfastmenu/breakfastwrap/ ]these[/url] out. They've been christened 'Heart Attack Wraps in the office, as so many of the drivers have actually had heart attacks since their introduction to the menu. They're keeling over, clutching their arms, left right and centre! I think he said that are about 1,000 calories in each one 😯
So there you have it! If you're going to eat processed meat, then don't **** about! Do it properly. You'll be dead waaaaaaaaay before you've had chance to develop cancer!
Look, bottom left. RSPCA freedom food logo, no way that gives you cancer.
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/it-wasnt-worth-it-says-103-year-old-vegetarian-20151027103301 ]indeed[/url]
In other news yesterday scientists have discovered that stepping out your front door causes cancer, yup & breathing, breathing causes cancer too, in fact being alive significantly increases your chances of getting cancer, so you're better off not living at all.
A life without bacon is a life not worth living.
i disagree, but then i suppose i would...
[quote=JoeG ] http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/06/worlds-oldest-woman-116-eats-bacon-everyday/73444660/
When there is a 2.6% chance of dying from bowel cancer if you eat lots of processed meat, how unlikely is that then?
[quote=ti_pin_man ]Processed food will be the death of our generation if eaten in quantity.
If that is the case, then it will be down to something other than bowel cancer. Personally I'd still rather give myself the best chance of avoiding having a colostomy bag though.
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Crusty white bloomer, roughly sliced into slabs. Butter. [s]Ketchup[/s] HP. Lots of smoked bacon. Mug of tea.If that kills me then I will die a happy man.
FTFY.
Red meat has been placed in "Group 2A", which means it is [u]probably[/u] carcinogenic to humans.However, there is "limited evidence" to connect red meat – including beef, pork, lamb, mutton, goat and horse – to cancer.
Hmmm, they might want to look into their publicist tbh.
