Never stood a chance. I thought he’d stay in for the first round though
Seems to be less him choosing to withdraw as opposed to failing to get twenty nominations.
Who cares!
They are all a bunch of liars!
Sunak to be heavily favoured by MPs, but Truss I suspect will appeal more to the membership.
The question is, will MPs tactically vote to stop Truss being one of the final two?
I had my money on Truss from months ago. A woman so dense she has her own gravity field
I literally have money on it. I’ve just had a look at my betting app and I’d stuck a fiver on her as next leader last September at 5/1
She’s presently 4/1 with Rishi favourite at 2.5/1 and Penny at 3/1. As far as the bookies are concerned, them’s yer runners. Nobody else in it
I still think it’ll pay out. If Truss makes it to the final two then she’ll walk it with the membership, as her third rate Thatcher tribute act seems to arouse things in the pale, male and stale majority whole still their overloaded pacemakers and hand her the keys to number ten
God help us!!
Kemi Badenoch
Suella Braverman
Jeremy Hunt
Penny Mordaunt
Rishi Sunak
Liz Truss
Tom Tugendhat
Nadhim Zahawi
It's like a really shit remake of The Hateful Eight...
It’s like a really shit remake of The Hateful Eight…
Worst ever series of The Apprentice....
She’s presently 4/1 with Rishi favourite at 2.5/1 and Penny at 3/1
Oddschecker has Penny and Rishi neck and neck. Truss at 4/1. Give or take.
I've put a fiver on Mordaunt.
Hunt says it'd be immoral to offer tax cuts as part of his bid. Oh no, sorry, personal tax cuts. Corporate tax cuts though, honk honk coming through.
They're missing a trick here though- since shrodinger's johnson can't face a no confidence bid as he's "resigned", but hasn't really resigned and is still prime minister, why not leave him in that quantum state forever so he can rule indefintely?
With sunak having withdrawn in a lame attempt to save face there must be short odds on him standing down as an MP.
I'd be surprised if that didn't happen within 6 months.
Did he?
Do you mean Javid?
He dropped out just before the deadline.
Yes, sorry, I meant javid; should have known as I posted about his withdrawal as soon as it was announced!
Doh...
I’ve a horrible Morbid curiosity about what bits of the state Badenoch would like to get rid of. Education reduced to a voucher to buy off a private provider, which is so low you need to top up? US style health medical insurance but worse. Scrapping social security, replace with individual private insurance? Everything that costs the government a lot, but would be unaffordable for the majority of people if they had to pay for it privately.
Blimey that other thread got shut sharpish after just one perl clutching Tory piped up, are we not allowed to be mean about Torys anymore?
Seems like the Mail is laying into Sunak's economic record with an article by The Haunted Pencil. Seeing as that's what 90% of the Tory faithful read it's going to set the tone for the next few weeks.
We're going to end up with Truss aren't we. That's so depressing. Probably no worse than Johnson but definitely not any better.
I'm imagining Truss will be Johnson but without intelligence, sociopathic charm, and wit.
Puppet. For someone.
The thing that really annoys me is that they are all harping on about the various crises we're facing yet they are spending all of their time campaigning rather than doing their ******* day job. This must mean that there civil servants are running everything (as usual) so why do we need a Govt?
Can't they just dissolve Parliament?
This must mean that there civil servants are running everything (as usual) so why do we need a Govt?
You need a government, what you don't need is MPs and the current shitty system.
The civil servants do the work but democracy means you need to vote for stuff somehow. There are many ways that could be done more effectively that current MP approach.
As far as the bookies are concerned, them’s yer runners. Nobody else in it
It's not what the Bookies think, it's where the money has been placed.
Even your "fiver" influences the odds.
rather than doing their ******* day job
You could argue that, them not doing their day job is beneficial on balance ...
To busy harming each other to harm focus on harming the Hoi Polloi
are we not allowed to be mean about Torys anymore?
Apparently not. But the irony of having a lefty thread shut down by a pearl-clutching snowflake anti-cancel culture defender of free speech has not passed un-noticed.
Yeah I thought mefty had closed the door on the way out, I can't believe another Tory Party supporter managed to stumble into the echo chamber.
It caused complete chaos until a mod got a firm grip of the situation and closed the thread.
Hopefully normality has returned and no one with any pro-Tory views will be upsetting the established consensus.
The Netherlands had no functioning government for over a year recently. Civil servants kept things going with zero policy changes. The public didn't really notice
Did anyone catch Nadhim Zahawi on radio 4 this morning, setting out what was apparently his 'economic agenda'?
Lets just say that the word 'hope' was doing a lot of heavy lifting.
He's going to go for tax cuts but when asked how on earth he was going to fund them he replied that he HOPED that inflation would have eased by next year and that he HOPED that economic growth would have picked up by then too. He couldn't list anything he was actually going to do other than HOPE that these things happened.
So, the message from the present Chancellor of the Exchequer is... fingers crossed everybody, it might not be as bad as everyone says
Civil servants kept things going with zero policy changes. The public didn’t really notice
Yes but clearly falls apart if you actually want/need policy changes.
Ernie
Its all about viewpoints. Yes the politcs threads mainly have lefties shouting but i find the general consensus on here to be firmly rightwing
So, the message from the present Chancellor of the Exchequer is… fingers crossed everybody, it might not be as bad as everyone says
That tbf, is arguably an example of honesty that in the present climate us most unusual.
Yeah I thought mefty had closed the door on the way out, I can’t believe another Tory Party supporter managed to stumble into the echo chamber.
It caused complete chaos until a mod got a firm grip of the situation and closed the thread.
Hopefully normality has returned and no one with any pro-Tory views will be upsetting the established consensus.
Looking at the thread, I expect it was closed as being too close of a duplicate to this one. I likely would have closed it for that reason.
Apologies if that doesn't fit with your agenda.
My agenda?
Penny has just started her launch with Fatcha and the Falklands.
You get the feeling she's itching to send a task force to the Black Sea
Penny looking strong!
TJagain wrote
Yes the politcs threads mainly have lefties shouting but i find the general consensus on here to be firmly rightwing
Really? I would say the median political stance is firmly in the middle ground. Somewhere along lines of a Scandi/German social democracy. Happy for state ownership of essential industry and healthcare but a wish for enterprise to be rewarded whilst still maintaining a social safety-net for those in society less able to contribute for whatever reason, paid for via general taxation. I guess that "Who pays & how much" dictates which side of the centre line ones personal views lie.
Happy for state ownership of essential industry and healthcare but a wish for enterprise to be rewarded whilst still maintaining a social safety-net for those in society less able to contribute for whatever reason, paid for via general taxation.
I think you're right there. Of course, these are the views described as 'woke leftyism' by the current Tory party.
Really? I would say the median political stance is firmly in the middle ground. Somewhere along lines of a Scandi/German social democracy. Happy for state ownership of essential industry and healthcare but a wish for enterprise to be rewarded whilst still maintaining a social safety-net for those in society less able to contribute for whatever reason, paid for via general taxation. I guess that “Who pays & how much” dictates which side of the centre line ones personal views lie.
You centrist bastard.* ALL of this is your fault. 😃
*not really
Somewhere along lines of a Scandi/German social democracy.
And yet a few years ago when the labour party were offering standard northern european social democratic policies almost everyone on here was ranting and raving about communists, sixth formers, trots, the 1970s and Derek Hatton. No, TJ is right, the consensus here is right wing. The fact that you think this is 'centrist' only demonstrates how much political views have shifted rightwards in this country.
"Penny has just started her launch with Fatcha and the Falklands."
I wonder how many of the plastic patriots watched that Falklands documentary that was shown recently and discussed on here?
"trots,"
Who the cap fits, let them wear it.
I think this forum reflects the last 50 years of Govt, most contributors are centrist in views yet they'll argue to the nth degree about minor points when in reality they're not that far apart in their views. They just want to be more correct than others and the rest of us have to suffer their vexatious rantings.
There are very few regular posters who are fully to the right, or left. There are some who often display they are hard of thinking, to use that wonderful term, evidenced on the Covid thread and other posts but deep down they're not that different in their politics .
Dazh gets my point. What is now considered centerist here would be right wing anywhere else in Europe
Labour sit centre right now and Tory far right.
The consensus on here is frimly comfy middle class centre right im allright jack Imo.
My personal politics are centre left with a strong green tinge. That position is seen as radical on here .
Examples. I understand that the uk is a low tax country still and want significant tax rises to provide decent services. Most on here seem to believe we are high tax. What you need to remember when looking at comparisons is that all our healthcare is paid from tax. Most countries you pay healthcare on top once you earn over a basic amount
Oh christ! Spare us the middle class revolutionaries burnishing their credentials 😉
Binners. I have a space for you up against the wall once i am in charge you running dog
I think you’re right there. Of course, these are the views described as ‘woke leftyism’ by the current Tory party.
Happy to be considered a ‘woke Lefty’, in that case…
😎
Its all about viewpoints. Yes the politcs threads mainly have lefties shouting but i find the general consensus on here to be firmly rightwing
I think I'd support the "more or less centrist" assessment too, STW feels more like it's in the middle +/- a couple of points either way.
Classic middleclass floating voters for the most part as worried about their woodburner or lifestyle bus as Climate change or social inequalities, prime territory for a Bot or two to try and influence...
I don't get the feeling that pictures of Union flags, spitfires, warm beer and forced deportations would sway many on here, nor do I think the majority of STWist dream of a Socialist Workers utopia...
So who do we reckon will be out today? I have a feeling it'll be Jeremy Hunt
Hey there,
In Summary:
No one we voted for and even worse probably than blotus, as if that was possible 😉
My hope:
Nobody that mad Nad or haunted pencil endorses....
JeZ