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Steve Baker rules himself out and backs Braverman. Truly the Brexit headbangers choice.
In other news, Ben Wallace rules himself out.
It won't be Wallace - he's just ruled himself out.
Bill has come over to appoint a new "leader"
https://twitter.com/TheFreds/status/1545426873366241282?t=IfEZdhSIXINFmhtRSeENuw&s=19
😂😂😂😂😂
I'm not au fait enough with that particular conspiracy theory - Bill Gates can presumably influence who the next Tory leader is because paedos/5G/microchips/lizards? Or is there more to it?
This really is fiddling while Rome burns taking 3 months to pick a leader while energy prices rise faster than even recent predictions.
https://twitter.com/MartinSLewis/status/1545412960096485376?s=20&t=efJgszohMrqB848z9eDNRA
What’s with all these tories who are first or second generation immigrants, who in one breath hark on about how Fantastic Britain is and the opportunity it’s given them, and in the next crow on about tighter laws on immigration
At least 3 are considering leadership bids
Hypocritical xxxxs
Its quite normal for people from a previous immigration wave to be hostile or even openly racist towards those in the next. Patel and Braverman are classic examples.
Also got to remember many from the wave of Asian immigration actually came out of Africa where many had been very middle class and held establishment positions under British rule, very different backgrounds to many of todays immigrants who are fleeing war zones and countries that have been destroyed through years of comflict.
"BREAKING: Rishi Sunak has explained only he can rebuild the economy that was destroyed by Rishi Sunak"
In the ' you broke it, you fix it' spirit I guess you could say he's showing integrity.
Ugh, Wallace was vile* but least mental wasn't he? Who's the next best option?
*I may have just missed something tho.
"Talk about finger on the pulse! If Starmer is lucky Sunak might actually win."
Agreed, Sunak would be the Labour choice. Angela Rayner might even make little Rishi cry.
Also got to remember many from the wave of Asian immigration actually came out of Africa where many had been very middle class and held establishment positions under British rule, very different backgrounds to many of todays immigrants who are fleeing war zones and countries that have been destroyed through years of comflict.
This is very true
Still makes them xxxxs though in my book!
Maybe it’s just me but out of the options that have a slight chance of winning, Sunak strikes me as the least bad option. Imagine Patel as PM…it doesn’t bare thinking about.
Tpbiker.
Imo its also to do well in the Tory party they need to be more anti immigration and more extreme in an attempt to appeal to the membership. Their tragedy is that they will never be fully accepted. Johnson used them as a fig leaf as well to hide his own racism
According to the Daily Mail… Dorries is thinking of running for leader.
#gonads is trending on twitter 😁
"#gonads is trending on twitter 😁"
You're talking bollocks.
Its quite normal for people from a previous immigration wave to be hostile or even openly racist towards those in the next. Patel and Braverman are classic examples.
I think accusations of racism might be an exaggeration. Lots of people are selfish arseholes, some of them happen to have brown skin.
A white Eton educated Tory politician might well strongly condemn white working-class trade unionists who are engaged in a dispute with an employer of South Asian heritage, but no one would be surprised, or accuse him of being racist. Except for people from far-right organisations who would more than likely express outrage and accuse him of racism.
So yeah, some people with brown skin have embraced Tory values of selfishness, looking after yourself, and **** everyone else.
There could be some tactical voting in the final round of MP votes. The final choice will be made by the party members, some of whom are unlikely to vote for immigrants whose families arrived after 1066. If there's a clear front runner, the second place may be influenced by race.
Nah, she's an air ambulance paramedic. She's just indicating she can't go for lunch as they've got a shout to go to. Apparently there's a disoriented, fat, sweaty bloke trapped in a house on Downing Street.
Or she could have an undeclared second job?
"There could be some tactical voting in the final round of MP votes. The final choice will be made by the party members, some of whom are unlikely to vote for immigrants whose families arrived after 1066. If there’s a clear front runner, the second place may be influenced by race."
Absolutely nails the precariousness of the position we are in.
There has been talk that the Tories will bypass the membership in order to fast track the process. Whilst I think it unlikely I cartainly believe it would be a good thing but I guess they'll have to make their mind up on Monday. That gives 36 hours for other candidates and cabinet appointees to disgrace themselves like Baker and Jenkyns have, which might prompt the 22 to lance the boil.
Bill has come over to appoint a new “leader”
Good lord, followed a few tweets from that and its an awful lot of "the media wont tell you"
Well, except the first one was about farmer protests. And typing in farmers europe brings up pages and pages of news articles about them.
The second one was the protests in Sri Lanka not being reported. Except again it is being reported.
I don’t think sunak can win if it guest to the membership for the final vote. Too brown for the party faithful and not Brexit enough
It's a circus; if mad nad stands it will then become a freak show.
She’s said she won’t.
Meanwhile Zahawi’s tax affairs are being investigated by HMRC, the Mail is publicly soiling itself and the Times is reporting that the various candidates are briefing the Lab front bench about their opponents’ tax affairs, and use of drugs and prostitutes. At least the business about Johnson trying to run is not happening.
It’s all so exhausting.
I don’t think sunak can win if it guest to the membership for the final vote. Too brown for the party faithful and not Brexit enough
And there’s the unresolved issue about the green card; while he’s done nothing illegal under UK law, the Americans might disagree, and either way it doesn’t look great and is an easy line of attack.
What is it about their leadership context that takes so long? You could do it in a week, get everyone who wants to enter to sign their name and submit their bid, then allow one week for all party members to review it, then hold a vote.
Not sure what their multiple stage contest really adds to the process other than giving them three months of free press coverage advertising the party.
If it goes to members, they leave time for hustings, where members can question the 2 final candidates directly. If they want/need to leave members out, they could set the rules on Monday and have a new leader on Wednesday.
If they want/need to leave members out, they could set the rules on Monday and have a new leader on Wednesday.
If there's enough of a majority that want Boris out by Thursday, that might happen.
Since Javid's leading with "only I can fix the economy which I've broken", I guess Javid and Hunt can do the same for the nhs
It's pointless worrying, they'll have about 6-10 going for it, this'll be whittled down to 3 quickly, then the final 2, and it'll be down to whoever makes the most promises that'll win, and then bring those who backed them into positions around their government.
I doubt it'll be a really right winger, or someone too soft, so that's ruling out the likes of Rishi, as a lot of tories see him as pandering to the left too much, and the likes of Braverman, who is a little too unpredictable and to the right for their liking. You'll also lose those who will be taken down by press and leaks, so i'd guess the likes of Hunt and Javid might be checking their credentials.
Apologies if this has been posted already, I haven't read the thread but thought it was worth sharing.
https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1545837675554422786
No way she's PM material, she hasn't learned (as of 2017) how to ignore the question and change the subject.
I want a time machine to take me back to 1997 when it felt jolly nice to live in the UK. Thank goodness I'm soon off.
It's absolutely brilliant that the Tories so despise each other that all their secrets are being leaked
https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1545903672860839938?t=8eb897hgiNp4avdj6xC5Fw&s=19
each time one announces they aren't running, or has decided to drop out, that's the first thought that comes to my mind - how bad is the shit that someone has on them that they can't risk standing.
I want a time machine to take me back to 1997 when it felt jolly nice to live in the UK. Thank goodness I’m soon off.
Yep, at the start of best period in UK in my lifetime (1995 - 2005). It just felt like there was less bitterness, less hate towards each other.
Lots of reasons for that and I think the pretty much lack of social media and much less used internet was a big part of it worse now, and no 12 years of Tory government obviously.
What damage has Johnson done? Here’s a brief list:
https://twitter.com/peterstefanovi2/status/1545651521358118912?s=21&t=q_tWdzIc88lim3v7D_-QVg
"I believe the Conservative party is the only party capable of giving us good government” says Conservative MP Steve Baker
Imagine his shock when he finds out it’s given us the highest taxation in 70 yrs & the biggest drop in living standards since 1956
I very much doubt that it would come as a shock to Steve Baker - he would argue that was precisely his point. People like Baker would claim that Johnson is not a true Conservative:
He warned that under Boris Johnson the Conservative Party had gone into “the wrong place” and the new Prime Minister must reverse his tax hikes.
Mr Baker said: “I made a speech in the House of Commons saying that the Conservative Party is the wrong place heading in the wrong direction.
So, I would like to see tax cuts straight away.
“That will have to involve hard choices, but it is the right thing to do for everybody in this country.”
By "hard choices" Baker means devastating cuts in spending with scant concern for the inevitable consequences. Baker was strongly opposed to Covid lockdown which unsurprisingly resulted in the greatest upheaval in people's ability to go to work since WW2, the last time the tax burden was higher than it is now. Those on the right of the Tory Party like Baker consider Johnson to more of a socialist than a Tory:
Edit: Based on historical precedence it is an undeniable fact that if low taxation is your priority then a Labour government isn't for you. I don't know what CWU are doing by apparently making the case, as Steve Baker does, for low taxation.
Edit: Based on historical precedence it is an undeniable fact that if low taxation is your priority then a Labour government isn’t for you.
By undeniable you mean you dont want questioning on it?
You need to start by saying which taxes you are talking about and then what your own particular scenario is.
Thatchers reduction in income tax was accompanied by the increase in VAT (so regressive taxation) plus the spaffing away of the North Sea oil and give away of national assets especially housing.
All of which comes with a cost that others have to pay later.
Yep, at the start of best period in UK in my lifetime (1995 – 2005). It just felt like there was less bitterness, less hate towards each other.
Lots of reasons for that and I think the pretty much lack of social media and much less used internet was a big part of it worse now, and no 12 years of Tory government obviously
I agree with that general observation.
There's a cynical frustration between lots of groups of people now. It's like we've become to comfortable with ramming opinions down each others throats. Definitely social media/rolling news/constant debating.
Also after 18yrs of Tory government it was hard not to enjoy the change.
You need to start by saying which taxes you are talking about and then what your own particular scenario is.
This.
Who is paying the tax is more important than the total tax take. The Conservatives (under Johnson&Sunak) tried loading their tax increases towards the lower paid via their NI changes… while telling voters that they wanted to cut their taxes. It was an obvious move to take with one hand (NI) ready to give with the other later (IT cut just before the next election). They even told us as much themselves. Pressure from Labour got them to introduce further NI changes to remove some of the effect of shifting the tax burden to the lower paid. Johnson was no socialist, but he has had to deal with an opposition successfully shining a light on his attempts to shift the tax burden onto workers, especially those on average or below income.
The best quote I've heard so far this week was something along the lines of
"The candidate with the fewest enemies will be the next leader of the conservative party"
I think it might have been Frazer Nelson on R4. Summed it up nicely for me, the only people Tories have more contempt for than the public are one another.
This next episode will take up to around August(ish?) to shake out. So a summer spent in-fighting and briefing against one another is in the offing. They can settle down and pretend to be a unified group again for Q4/22, bit hopefully this will expose the reality of the modern Tory party to the wider public.
The "tax and spend" "Labour are fiscal maniacs trope" is going to be wearing thin come the GE, most of the population are poorer in real terms than they have been for some time, working people are being taxed more heavily, Oil companies are making record profits, Tories have presided over all of it...
I reckon Penny Mordant might get the job, treading the line between appealing to the grass roots whilst not having made too many enemies in Westminster (yet?) Or appearing too closely aligned with Borisconi...
By undeniable you mean you dont want questioning on it?
I am perfectly happy for you to question it. The fact however remains that during the postwar period the occasions when the tax burden as percent of GDP was at its lowest coincided with Tory governments.
Now if want to say that Tory governments have shifted the tax burden away from the wealthy and onto ordinary working people I would have thought that was a given. VAT was half of what it is now in the 1970s, that decade which we are repeatedly told things were terrible and that we should never go back to.
The whole "low tax is great" argument is a Tory myth which Starmer appears committed to maintain, as he grotesquely engages in a competition the Tories over which is the most business friendly low tax party.
I assume that as a traditionally right-wing trade union the CWU is attempting to help Starmer by apparently castigating the Tories for being the party of high taxation.
I quite enjoyed the drama before the resignation, but felt fairly glum after - things aren't going to get much better.
Truss thinking of running on twitter.
yeah , like shes thought of anything else over the last year.
Has a very good chance if she makes it to finals
Carefully curated her PM look for a few months which is all it takes to win over the idiots making up the party faithful.
Would probably do ok in PMQs which is all it takes to get support from MPs
Brexity (now) and mad for the Great Britain bollox the gammons all get a hard on over
Easily manipulated by the donors
Boris lite